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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 1:38:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 1:53:05 PM   
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85 kids across U.S. have developed mysterious COVID-19-linked illness
9 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/85-kids-across-us-have-developed-mysterious-covid-19-linked-illness/ar-BB13KYDO?li=BBnb7Kz



"Pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome can mirror symptoms of other inflammatory illnesses, such as Kawasaki disease and toxic shock-like syndrome.

Children can have high fevers, severe diarrhea, rash and often red eyes or conjunctivitis. But "the feature that's been most concerning is that they have problems with their heart function," John said.

"The heart isn't squeezing as well as it should, so they need medications to help keep their blood pressure up," John said."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 1:54:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fcooke


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.


Haha...yes a BMI robot. According to the CDC if you have a BMI of 26 you are overweight. Is it possible for a guy to have 6 pack abs and a BMI over 26. It's even worse in the schools. Untrained people telling little Mayan kids they are "obese" when what they really are is short and that is just the way it is.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:01:24 PM   
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A month ago, Lokasenna pointed out that the epidemics for many countries were dropping gradually "with a comet tail." That's what's happened in many places, including Spain and Italy.

Since then, "the table" has been used prominently to discuss the US. If the decline of the pandemic in the NYC vicinity is matched by increases elsewhere, we'll have that table. That's something to watch, too.

Lokasenna hasn't posted here since April 17 (three weeks ago today). Here's hoping he's fine.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:01:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: fcooke


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.


Haha...yes a BMI robot. According to the CDC if you have a BMI of 26 you are overweight. Is it possible for a guy to have 6 pack abs and a BMI over 26. It's even worse in the schools. Untrained people telling little Mayan kids they are "obese" when what they really are is short and that is just the way it is.


One of my sisters is of very slight build. She has a quite shallow rib cage, very healthy her whole life, just out on the slight end of the spectrum. Her daughter the same, but when she was in school, school officials (school nurse I think) were worried because of her weight versus height and my sister had to jump through hoops to quiet down that nonsense.

When all judgments are based upon averages...

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:03:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: fcooke


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.


Haha...yes a BMI robot. According to the CDC if you have a BMI of 26 you are overweight. Is it possible for a guy to have 6 pack abs and a BMI over 26. It's even worse in the schools. Untrained people telling little Mayan kids they are "obese" when what they really are is short and that is just the way it is.




Height / Weight = Body Fat

NO room for errors here!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:08:18 PM   
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Tanzanian president blames lab after goat, papaya ‘test positive’ for coronavirus
May 6, 2020


https://globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/



"Tanzania seems to be having a problem with its animals, its coronavirus testing or its leadership amid a bizarre scandal playing out in the African nation.

President John Magufuli has cast doubt on the country’s coronavirus testing process after he allegedly submitted secret samples from invalid subjects, including a goat and a papaya (yes, the fruit), that came back as “positive” for the virus."


"Magufuli, who has repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus, claimed on Sunday that he put human names and ages on several samples taken from non-human subjects. He says the lab came back with positive test results for a papaya, a quail and a goat — three things that have never been linked to the virus in the past."




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:18:45 PM   
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John Magufuli


Magufuli earned his bachelor of science in education degree majoring in chemistry and mathematics as teaching subjects from The University of Dar es Salaam in 1988. He also earned his masters and doctorate degrees in chemistry from The University of Dar es Salaam, in 1994 and 2009, respectively.





"After taking office, Magufuli immediately began to impose measures to curb government spending, such as barring unnecessary foreign travel by government officials, using cheaper vehicles and board rooms for transport and meetings respectively, shrinking the delegation for a tour of the Commonwealth from 50 people to 4, dropping its sponsorship of a World AIDS Day exhibition in favour of purchasing AIDS medication, and discouraging lavish events and parties by public institutions (such as cutting the budget of a state dinner inaugurating the new parliament session).

Magufuli reduced his own salary from US$15,000 to US$4,000 per month.

Most notably, Magufuli also suspended the country's Independence Day festivities for 2015, in favor of a national cleanup campaign to help reduce the spread of cholera.

Magufuli personally participated in the cleanup efforts, having stated that it was "so shameful that we are spending huge amounts of money to celebrate 54 years of independence when our people are dying of cholera". The cost savings were to be invested towards improving hospitals and sanitation in the country."

"In September 2018, John Magufuli told a rally: "Those going for family planning are lazy ... they are afraid they will not be able to feed their children. They do not want to work hard to feed a large family and that is why they opt for birth controls and end up with one or two children only." He urged people not to listen to those advising about birth control, some of it coming from foreigners, because it has sinister motives"


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Seems like John Magufuli watches John Wayne movies.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:21:35 PM   
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I wonder if that's true? If so:


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Tanzanian president blames lab after goat, papaya ‘test positive’ for coronavirus
May 6, 2020


https://globalnews.ca/news/6910821/coronavirus-papaya-goat-tanzania/



"Tanzania seems to be having a problem with its animals, its coronavirus testing or its leadership amid a bizarre scandal playing out in the African nation.

President John Magufuli has cast doubt on the country’s coronavirus testing process after he allegedly submitted secret samples from invalid subjects, including a goat and a papaya (yes, the fruit), that came back as “positive” for the virus."


"Magufuli, who has repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus, claimed on Sunday that he put human names and ages on several samples taken from non-human subjects. He says the lab came back with positive test results for a papaya, a quail and a goat — three things that have never been linked to the virus in the past."





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:36:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fcooke


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Why COVID-19 kills some people and spares others. Here's what scientists are finding.
3 days ago

https://www.livescience.com/why-covid-19-coronavirus-deadly-for-some-people.html


"It's not clear why obesity is linked to more hospitalizations and more severe COVID-19 disease, but there are several possibilities, the authors wrote in the study. Obesity is generally thought of as a risk factor for severe infection. For example, those who are obese had longer and more severe disease during the swine flu epidemic, the authors wrote.

Obese patients might also have reduced lung capacity or increased inflammation in the body. A greater number of inflammatory molecules circulating in the body might cause harmful immune responses and lead to severe disease."

This likely goes too far. But when I was living in the UK and coming back to the US from time to time - I would look at people and think - what the heck are you eating???? (they were really large). There is a problem here, my suspicion is it is mostly fast food driven.

That said, I went into the company doc a few years ago and he told me I was overweight. It was a WTF moment for me. He was a nice guy, reading his charts on BMI, but I was a 6 foot 2" guy at 200 pounds. He wanted me to drop to around 170. I politely told him I haven't been near that weight since I was 16......

But yes, there are a lot of people carrying too much weight in the US, and it will likely kill them.


My sons in the Army: first one is 6'4" and has a bmi index of 8. He is considered obese, and has since he was a freshman at West Point. My other son, 6'1" also in Army has a slightly lower bmi and is considered obese (if only by 1 pound).

I am not saying obesity isn't a problem in the US. Far from it.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:40:14 PM   
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Re: John's note that the first death was recorded 2/26, the date this thread started, he's right. Then, about three weeks ago, research/testing found two previous deaths. And that's likely to change as more work is done later.

The cdc numbers goes to prove his point about early virus.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:44:10 PM   
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Los Angeles has been passing bond measures to raise property and sales taxes and lavishing spending on the homeless. They have burned through quite a large reserve. California is ALREADY borrowing money from DC to pay unemployment costs after budgeting enough reserves for 18 months of standard recession job losses. It's all gone already. A Kapuchin monkey could have found a job in Calif in February. Maybe they can get all the homeless to move to Arizona?

All of this borrowing and reserve spending means leaner times ahead. The hospitals are getting knee-capped by the decline in total admissions. Nurses in non-ICU positions getting laid off...even obstetrics..which seems crazy because babies don't look at the calendar or watch the news.


From the UK, for profit healthcare seems an unusual concept and not often seen.

What you've outlined just seems that it's jumped the shark...



This applies to not-for-profit hospitals as well, of which there are many. They still have to meet budgets. I think you will discover than NHS is spending prodigiously right now....plus all the elective cases are being postponed and the seniors not taken by COVID will be wanting their bad knees replaced.




Don't elective cases already get postponed for two or three years under socialized medicine?


I believe we have it enshrined in legislation that you need to be seen, diagnosed and treated within an 18 week period.

90% of patients are seen, diagnosed and treated within the 18 week treatment standard.

So, to respond to your question - no.



Is that for all elective surgeries or only the ones surgeons deem necessary?

We were referring to elective procedures.


I double checked. For elective procedures 86.7% in 2018/19 were seen in 18 weeks or less.

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/nhs-performance-and-waiting-times

So to respond again to your question - no, It would not appear the case that socialised medicine has multi-year postponement of cases.



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A month ago, Lokasenna pointed out that the epidemics for many countries were dropping gradually "with a comet tail." That's what's happened in many places, including Spain and Italy.

Since then, "the table" has been used prominently to discuss the US. If the decline of the pandemic in the NYC vicinity is matched by increases elsewhere, we'll have that table. That's something to watch, too.

Lokasenna hasn't posted here since April 17 (three weeks ago today). Here's hoping he's fine.


He's fine. Keeps harassing me for turns.

We had a discussion over the change in projections in the US as a result of recent events.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 2:51:45 PM   
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Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:22:26 PM   
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I just finished lunch with my youngest son, who's a senior studying environmental science at the University of Georgia. Our conversation turned to the hard calls governors are having to make - whether to re-open in the face of allegations they're trading lives for money, or whether to keep things closed in the face of protests. In regard to the latter, my son coined the phrase, "Isolation without representation."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:27:25 PM   
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Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.





One state's attempt to postpone an election was shot down by the judiciary. The same will likely happen in PA.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:28:32 PM   
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Some Good News: The Rate Of New Positive Cases Is Declining

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/05/07/good-news-rate-new-positive-cases-declining/

A little more in depth analysis of the numbers of covid.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:31:37 PM   
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Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.





One state's attempt to postpone an election was shot down by the judiciary. The same will likely happen in PA.


No, that is not what is happening here. The primary was delayed, and they pushed thru vote by mail which is unbelievable fraudulent method to vote -- Post Office is still looking for 24 million vote by mail ballots from the 2016 election for example.

Having an honest election in Pennsylvania was a challenge prior to this change. It is only going to get worse.





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:47:30 PM   
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ICU Doctor: What I Wish People Knew About Coronavirus


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/icu-doctor-what-i-wish-people-knew-about-coronavirus/

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:50:52 PM   
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The epicenter for the pandemic in the US is largely the northeast. This chart shows all states with above average mortality. All but one (Louisiana) is in the northeast (or rough vicinity). The spike sort of spread out from NYC to take in other big metro areas in the region.

The big question is whether the spread will continue outward to other big metro areas (and states), thus eventually reaching places not currently hit hard. If so, this truly will be a "table" graph throughout the summer.

It's not clear yet whether that's going to happen. For one thing, the virus has been present in many major urban areas for a long time but hasn't gotten an NYC-type grip. Perhaps it won't. Maybe density or packed subways or other factors make key differences.

It's still unclear whether warm weather is going to lend a helping hand. There have been contradictory positions taken on that throughout, even recently. On page one, Chickenboy offered his thoughts that weather could well have a salutary effect. I don't know if he has further thoughts on that, since more than two months have passed.






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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:55:57 PM   
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Seattle to permanently close 20 miles of streets to traffic so residents can exercise and bike on them


https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/seattle-streets-closed-stay-healthy-trnd/index.html

Closed initially for the lockdown, now permanently.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 3:58:14 PM   
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The epicenter for the pandemic in the US is largely the northeast. This chart shows all states with above average mortality. All but one (Louisiana) is in the northeast (or rough vicinity). The spike sort of spread out from NYC to take in other big metro areas in the region.

The big question is whether the spread will continue outward to other big metro areas (and states), thus eventually reaching places not currently hit hard. If so, this truly will be a "table" graph throughout the summer.

It's not clear yet whether that's going to happen. For one thing, the virus has been present in many major urban areas for a long time but hasn't gotten an NYC-type grip. Perhaps it won't. Maybe density or packed subways or other factors make key differences.

It's still unclear whether warm weather is going to lend a helping hand. There have been contradictory positions taken on that throughout, even recently. On page one, Chickenboy offered his thoughts that weather could well have a salutary effect. I don't know if he has further thoughts on that, since more than two months have passed.







Quite frankly, I think we need a new column, died yesterday. New deaths I gather could have occurred anytime since February.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:01:42 PM   
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Yeah, New York just added in a bunch (1k) of deaths. Last week UK added 4,300 on one day, after adjusting tabulating criteria. One day in February, China changes it's criteria and reported a massive spike. That adds to the challenge of fully understanding what's going on and what the actual trends are.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:03:29 PM   
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We have a hemp drying biz in PA. Agra - so essential. whatever. but keeps the guys getting paid.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:08:17 PM   
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Here is another article on Ferguson's code.

Neil Ferguson’s Lockdown Model Ridiculed After its Code is Open Sourced

https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/05/08/neil-fergusons-lockdown-model-ridiculed-after-its-code-is-open-sourced

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:10:17 PM   
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Pennsylvania has extended the lockdown to June 4th, two days after the primary election. Just wanted to give credit to my wife who predicted this early in the lockdown. And being a good husband, of course I had to agree with her.





One state's attempt to postpone an election was shot down by the judiciary. The same will likely happen in PA.


No, that is not what is happening here. The primary was delayed, and they pushed thru vote by mail which is unbelievable fraudulent method to vote -- Post Office is still looking for 24 million vote by mail ballots from the 2016 election for example.

Having an honest election in Pennsylvania was a challenge prior to this change. It is only going to get worse.

Being a former Hudson county (NJ for the non-locals) resident - there were a few phrases. Vote often (multiple times). And who are your dead relatives we can vote for? I think only Chicago can compare.

Tech works, but vote by mail is IMO going to end up in an interesting place.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:12:03 PM   
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ICU Doctor: What I Wish People Knew About Coronavirus


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/icu-doctor-what-i-wish-people-knew-about-coronavirus/


Great find. It really is one of the most insightful and honest pieces I’ve seen since this has started.

The question I have is, are there other known viruses that are or were at one time, so baffling to scientist and the medical community. Are the numerous instances of bewilderment expressed by those communities during the past two months because we are so new to trying to understand this virus, or is this thing uniquely sinister?

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I recall that in one election (I think Obama vs. Romney, 2012) a number of precincts in Philadelphia reported 100% for the Democrat candidate. But even in the most stubbornly red or blue precincts in this nation, there are ALWAYS a few who think differently. Unanimity in the population never occurs.

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I read this, too. Both encouraging and sobering. Definitely well-written,.as 22 sec noted. Thanks for linking to it, Lowpe.


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ICU Doctor: What I Wish People Knew About Coronavirus


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/08/icu-doctor-what-i-wish-people-knew-about-coronavirus/


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Regarding the Philly precincts, here's a link to a New York Times story that looked into the situation (59 precincts voted 100%) and didn't turn up any irregularities: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/upshot/funny-stuff-in-philadelphia-zero-votes-does-not-equal-fraud.html [I wasn't aware that this was such a major issue until Lowpe's post prompted memories of that situation, which led me to do a quick Google search a few minutes ago].

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/8/2020 4:25:31 PM   
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Here is another article on Ferguson's code.

Neil Ferguson’s Lockdown Model Ridiculed After its Code is Open Sourced

https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/05/08/neil-fergusons-lockdown-model-ridiculed-after-its-code-is-open-sourced


I had a conversation with a co-worker with extensive experience in modelling the other day.

Haven't read the article yet, but their view was that modelling of this nature is so domain specific that the degree to which the models can be transferred from one subject area to another is quite limited.

Plus, the thought of all those undocumented lines of code hurts my soul.

While I can understand the resistance to putting the code up as open source, I think it is useful as an assurance mechanism to essentially crowd source quality control

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