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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 8:18:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Thanks, Nomad. I see that Montana ranks 46th in terms of mortality/million (15). IE, it's doing very well.

What is the sense there of the present danger? And of the suitability of easing countermeasures?


To be honest it is hard for me to say. I do not watch much local news, and if you look at google maps you
will see that West Yellowstone is at the Southern most point of Montana. Idaho is 10 miles West and Wyoming
is 3 miles to the East. The economy West Yellowstone is based on tourism and there isn't any right now. The
Governor has a 14 day quarantine for anyone entering the state, so no one is coming. Plus Yellowstone NP is
closed completely right now. I have not heard of any riots yet. We are on phase 1 of our reopening. Churches
opened last Sunday, retail stores last Monday and bars, restaurants, distilleries, and casinos may open next
Monday. I assume that phase one will last 14 days or longer if deaths take a big hit.

As you can see, we do not have much of a problem with CoVid-19.





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 8:29:38 PM   
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Local hospital ICU beds filling up slowly with COVID or suspected COVID.

The problem is the recuperation is quite slow so you see an accumulation effect.

Saw a 9 year old yesterday. Not very sick but BOTH parents are positive for COVID after their 23 year old daughter came home to visit and infected everyone. We have enough testing now so I ordered it on the 9 year old. The mom is pretty sick. You do NOT want to get this ****.




If you knew naught about COVID, what would be your first guess at what she had, sans tests?


Many COVID patients look like severe influenza...body aches, high fever



A good chance Coronaviruses have raged before and phenotypically identified as influenza.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 8:31:23 PM   
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Kroger is limiting ground beef and pork purchases in some stores
3 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/kroger-is-limiting-ground-beef-and-pork-purchases-in-some-stores/ar-BB13tH6u?li=BBnb7Kz

"The slowdown at meat processing plants from the coronavirus pandemic has led to a new wave of panic-shopping at supermarkets. Some grocery stores are now imposing limits on meat purchases to prevent barren refrigerator displays.

Kroger, this country's largest supermarket chain, said it is adding purchase limits on ground beef and fresh pork in some stores. Other large grocers say they expect to be out of stock on different types of cuts very soon."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 8:33:51 PM   
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Trump says he's seen evidence virus started in Chinese lab, but U.S. intel disagrees
May 1, 2020


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-china-lab-coronavirus-evidence-intelligence/


"President Trump claimed Thursday he's seen evidence the new coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab and he threatened tariffs on Beijing over its role in the global pandemic. The president's assertion was undermined by his intelligence office and his top diplomat, who said, "We don't know precisely where it began.""

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 8:49:56 PM   
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Expect two more years of coronavirus misery
15 hrs ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/expect-two-more-years-of-coronavirus-misery/ar-BB13rqy0



"The new coronavirus is likely to keep spreading for at least another 18 months to two years—until 60% to 70% of the population has been infected, a team of longstanding pandemic experts predicted in a report released Thursday.

They recommended that the US prepare for a worst-case scenario that includes a second big wave of coronavirus infections in the fall and winter. Even in a best-case scenario, people will continue to die from the virus, they predicted."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 9:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

OK, the US has one ally against China...anyone else want to enter the fray?


The Australians make noises about an international investigation....and...

quote:

"Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China's shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off."

— Hu Xijin, Global Times editor



I read where Sweden is considering things as well. My computer literally crashed. Two kittens chasing each other. I need a new computer. Looking at Dell online. I can get a discount. If I only had the money . . .

I had to buy a new phone yesterday . . .


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 11:03:43 PM   
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Thanks, Nomad. Montana is an awesome state. Here's hoping it's in a position to re-open soon.


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Thanks, Nomad. I see that Montana ranks 46th in terms of mortality/million (15). IE, it's doing very well.

What is the sense there of the present danger? And of the suitability of easing countermeasures?


To be honest it is hard for me to say. I do not watch much local news, and if you look at google maps you
will see that West Yellowstone is at the Southern most point of Montana. Idaho is 10 miles West and Wyoming
is 3 miles to the East. The economy West Yellowstone is based on tourism and there isn't any right now. The
Governor has a 14 day quarantine for anyone entering the state, so no one is coming. Plus Yellowstone NP is
closed completely right now. I have not heard of any riots yet. We are on phase 1 of our reopening. Churches
opened last Sunday, retail stores last Monday and bars, restaurants, distilleries, and casinos may open next
Monday. I assume that phase one will last 14 days or longer if deaths take a big hit.

As you can see, we do not have much of a problem with CoVid-19.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 11:12:54 PM   
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I spent the afternoon hiking part of the Pinhoti Trail in the Chattahoochee National Forest. Terrific weather and lots of migrating birds. I passed two young backpackers and one day hiker. Lots of families out walking. Lots of traffic on the highway I bicycled (to get back to my truck). Traffic was considerably heavier than it was last month, when I did the same trip.

I have zero worries when on a trail and encountering the occasional hiker. But bicycling a busy highway induces a large pucker factor.

I heard news accounts today that most movie theaters in our area have elected not to re-open. Restaurants likewise have elected not to reopen, with a few exceptions, though most continue to offer pick-up service.

I live in a semi-rural area not far from a medium-sized town. For most people that I know, life hasn't changed drastically. Their kids are out of school, they social distance, and there's no church/movies/sports, but most are working. I've heard many people say that they appreciate the time spent at home with their kids, with a more sane schedule than the usual hustle and bustle.

John Dillworth has said several times that those living outside cities are fortunate.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/1/2020 11:46:15 PM   
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@ Cap Mandrake-

Anyone in your area doing 'compassionate use' applications / studies for remdesivir?


I just saw on the news that the company making it is donating 1,000,000 bottles of the medicine to hospitals.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 12:28:14 AM   
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Q: Why is Remdesivir useful against COVID when it was designed to be used against Marburg Virus and Ebola?

A: Because it targets an enzyme required by all RNA viruses, "Reverse transcriptase" which is required to reproduce the RNA genome because eukaryote cells don't have this enzyme.

Q: Who funded it's development?

A: Who do you think? You have 3 guesses:

1) -----PRC
2) -----US taxpayers
3) -----the UN <snicker>

It was actually the US Army because there were fears Marburg Virus would be weaponized as a bioweapon.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 12:52:00 AM   
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I think the virus is ramping up here. Every day I see a family get nuked.

Phillipino family. Early 30 something parents. 4 kids, youngest 7 months, 3 yrs up to 11. Dad get sick with COVID symptoms. He gets screened promptly and ordered to stay in his room. His test is negative...they let him out of his room. He gets a 106 fever . They admit him and test again..positive. Mom calls for telehealth visit. Baby is fine but she is worried. The thing is SHE is starting to get sick with diarrhea, which is an unusual presenting symptom. I order the PCR test on her (which may be negative because she doesn't have respiratory symptoms yet) and give her instructions on "safe" care of the baby and food preparation. What can you do? The f****** thing is straight from Hell (via Wuhan Virology Laboratory). We develop a plan if she goes down. The niece and nephew (17 and 18..good kids I know them both) will come over from the grandparents house (who have chronic diseases)and stay to help. It's like sending reinforcements into the breach. Their are a bunch of younger nieces and nephews and Grandma's house. Happiest kids I have ever seen. It's like Little Luzon over the.

The damn thing seems to have a PLAN...take out the breadwinner and get into the nest. Worst thing I have ever seen in my career.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:01:10 AM   
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The Governator ordered beach closures in Orange County, overruling local authorities and his own State Parks Dept.

Now there are protests..mostly surfer dudes...but in Newport they are deliberately parking their Porsche Panameras and Carreras on the sand and posting the pick. It's the Porsche revolt of 2020.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:03:44 AM   
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Not all judges do this, but if some do - isn't that institutional?





Not even close. It's personal, not institutional. Is it written into the policies and procedures of the institution? If not, then it isn't institutional.

You and I are working from different definitions of "institutional". If the regulations are allow the judge to make different decisions in identical legal situations, that is a problem built into the institution. If the institution does not review and consider amending the judge's sentence, that is another institutional failure.
From the point of view of the person being treated unfairly, the judge represents the institution and his actions colour the view of the institution.

I am not suggesting the institution has these problems in the majority of cases. But if that happens in, say, 10% of the cases, but 30% of cases involving people of colour, they have a legit beef. That is why I can't agree with your statement that your institutions always treat people fairly and are only criticized (unfairly) by left wing zealots. As always, there will be a few zealots whose unreasonable accusations spoil the reasonable cases being made by most plaintiffs.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:07:19 AM   
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The CIA needs to kidnap Xi, bury him up to his neck in the Arizona desert Comanche style and rub COVID-19 secretions all over his Winnie the Pooh face.*






* DISCLAIMER: This may violate and existing Executive Order from the 1960's or something.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:11:28 AM   
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We now have full face shields, N-95 masks and gowns but not enough that you can throw everything away after one use. I had to make a hair covering out of a shoe covering.

Plenty of procedure masks and gloves and gel. Telehealth is surprisingly effective despite some technical snags. Still an absolutely striking fall off in asthma exacerbations. Markedly reduced minor trauma too (lacerations, concussions, extremity fractures). Going back to the main office on Monday from Fort Apache

Could the asthma problem decrease be related to a drop in pollution during the stay-at-home period?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:16:52 AM   
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Indoor air is usually worse than outdoor air.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:23:36 AM   
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I think the virus is ramping up here. Every day I see a family get nuked.

Phillipino family. Early 30 something parents. 4 kids, youngest 7 months, 3 yrs up to 11. Dad get sick with COVID symptoms. He gets screened promptly and ordered to stay in his room. His test is negative...they let him out of his room. He gets a 106 fever . They admit him and test again..positive. Mom calls for telehealth visit. Baby is fine but she is worried. The thing is SHE is starting to get sick with diarrhea, which is an unusual presenting symptom. I order the PCR test on her (which may be negative because she doesn't have respiratory symptoms yet) and give her instructions on "safe" care of the baby and food preparation. What can you do? The f****** thing is straight from Hell (via Wuhan Virology Laboratory). We develop a plan if she goes down. The niece and nephew (17 and 18..good kids I know them both) will come over from the grandparents house (who have chronic diseases)and stay to help. It's like sending reinforcements into the breach. Their are a bunch of younger nieces and nephews and Grandma's house. Happiest kids I have ever seen. It's like Little Luzon over the.

The damn thing seems to have a PLAN...take out the breadwinner and get into the nest. Worst thing I have ever seen in my career.


Sorry to hear that . The 'knock on' effects are scary if you dwell on them. If mum and dad are both sick and the older teenagers are looking after them and the kids - who looks after Grandpa and Grandma? You start getting movements between households just because of necessity and before you know it the grandparents are sick with a far higher risk of passing away.

I hope they, and the rest of your patients, pull through.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:33:43 AM   
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A while back I posted some graphs plotting reported cases against population density. In retrospect I'm not convinced they showed all that much interesting. Basically they showed that the denser the population the higher the reported cases /M. So far so dull.

But today the ONS have released mortality statistics by local govt area (previously it was only possible to get the case data unless you did a whole load of digging).

From a UK perspective at least when you start looking at deaths I think there is plenty of interesting stuff. I'd be interested to hear whether if some or any of it is of interest from a US perspective. I'm conscious that the last time I posted plots it clogged up the thread a little. So for the time being I'll leave them as attachments to be opened if people are interested. If people ask I can embed them as images. In the body of the text I'll just put a brief description of the plot and what I see from an 'eyeball' look.

If US posters were interested I'd estimate it would take a couple of hours (if that) to produce similar plots showing; all US states; one with NJ and NYC taken out; the 20 least dense states on their own.

Important disclaimer at the outset - references to BAME ethnic groups are not referring to 'Britishness'. The vast majority of BAME individuals hold UK passports and most were born in the UK. Many are now 3rd or even 4th generation. By the same measure 'White British' does not infer any additional 'legitimacy' - it is simply a reference to ethnic background.

Plot 1. This is basically the same local government areas as I looked at previously in terms of cases. Previously there was a pretty linear relationship even including the 3 London boroughs I looked at. Doing the same for deaths you get a different picture. Everywhere aside from the 3 London boroughs are clustered in the bottom left of the graph. The three London boroughs are miles away from that cluster and indeed from each other. From top to bottom of those data points you have Newham, Lambeth and Islington.

Plot 2. This is the same LA areas less the London areas. Here you get back a more linear relationship between density and deaths/M. The two big outliers are Portsmouth and Epping Forest. The latter is fairly straightforward - it is on London's doorstep. Portsmouth is more interesting. From one perspective it is somewhere that is very much 'white working class' in comparison to the more diverse bigger cities (Portsmouth is c85% White British compared to most Inner London boroughs which are around 40-50%). So that might point to worse outcomes for BAME people independent of SES. On the other hand there is the simple fact that it is a densely populated port city and so 180 degrees of its 'horizon' is sea and CV19 free. Plus, at the risk of offending anyone from Portsmouth, you pretty much only end up there if you already live there or if you are driving freight to the continent.

Plot 3. These are the 20 most densely populated London boroughs. There seems to be a shallow linear relationship between density and deaths/M. I don't have the software to say whether that relationship is statistically significant or not. Eyeballing it I see 5 outliers. Above the trend are Brent and Newham. Brent is very ethnically diverse even by London standards (22% White British/Irish) but that diversity is spread around different ethnic groups. It isn't particularly deprived as a borough by London standards. Newham is (I think) one of the most deprived boroughs in London and has high proportions of the ethnic groups that the ONS statistics suggested might be seeing the highest death tolls - 23% of the population is of Bangladeshi or Pakistani descent. With that said I think it is a little more difficult to get a handle on the Caribbean/African populations - on a borough level at least those populations tend to be clustered south of the river in boroughs like Lambeth/Southwark alongside very affluent 'commuter' populations. To get an idea of what is going on I think you would have to 'zoom in' more than the data allows. Below the trend you have Islington, Kensington & Chelsea and Camden. K&C is simple I think - it is one of the richest areas in the UK. Camden and Islington are difficult to put a finger on as a South Londoner. My impression is they are both boroughs that have been heavily gentrified. I couldn't afford to rent in either. But they are not 'off the scale posh' like K&C. Ethnically there isn't a massive difference between them and Lambeth/Southwark (47%/52%/42%/54% respectively in terms of White British/Irish). The difference may come in the remaining 'diversity' being much more weighted to the apparently more vulnerable African/Caribbean populations in the South London boroughs - all four boroughs have roughly equivalent populations of Bangladeshi/Pakistani heritage. Out of interest the respective Chinese populations are 2.9%/2.2%/1.5%/???.

Plot 4. This is the 20 least densely populated LA areas in England. Going down to the least dense area in England - Eden - which at 25 people/sqkm is equivalent to US states like Minnesota/Vermont/Mississipi/Arizona/Arkansas (albeit at a massively smaller scale). I would characterise this as a 'splatter plot' rather than a scatter plot. Of the three apparent outliers two are in Cumbria (i.e. the Lake District) - they may have suffered somewhat from being tourist destinations both for British and international tourists. If you were stretching there may be some outliers in the other direction from the far South West of the country - i.e. not only very rural but a long way from both London and be big urban areas in the North/Midlands. Otherwise all I think you could say is that there does not seem to be a population density in England low enough to stop the virus on its own.


*** as far as I can tell I can only upload one attachment per post - I'll post the next three plots as attachments in separate posts - if there is a way to put them all in one post let me know and I'll sort it and see if Matrix will delete the 'stray' posts. ***


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:34:20 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:34:51 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 1:35:18 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 2:07:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

OK, the US has one ally against China...anyone else want to enter the fray?


The Australians make noises about an international investigation....and...

quote:

"Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China's shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off."

— Hu Xijin, Global Times editor


That should improve China's relations with Australia.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 2:07:45 AM   
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The CIA needs to kidnap Xi, bury him up to his neck in the Arizona desert Comanche style and rub COVID-19 secretions all over his Winnie the Pooh face.*






* DISCLAIMER: This may violate and existing Executive Order from the 1960's or something.


Wrong desert. Here be Apache.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 7:24:20 AM   
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Relating to the data Sammy5IsAlive posted here is an article from the Guardian about Newham, just South of where I live. It is the borough that hosted the Olympics in 2012, which were at Stratford, mostly.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/01/covid-19-coronavirus-newham-london-uk-worst-affected-area

While the coronavirus has spread widely across the UK, the pandemic has taken a huge toll on the area where Islam lives, the east London borough of Newham, which has recorded the worst mortality rate in England and Wales.

The borough’s rate – 144.3 deaths per 100,000 people – is closely followed by Brent in north London (141.5), and Newham’s neighbour Hackney (127.4), according to figures published by the Office for National Statistics. The data confirms what Islam has suspected all along: people living in the poorest parts of the country are dying from Covid-19 at a much higher rate than those in the richest.

Dr Zubaida Haque, deputy director of the Runnymede Trust, said areas like Newham show the discussion about PPE and testing needs to go much further than just the NHS. Key workers, from taxi drivers and care workers to grocery shop owners, who are disproportionately from a BAME background, also require protective equipment. “BAME key workers aren’t just NHS staff. We need to start asking whether they are getting proper PPE equipment. Are they being protected? Are they being tested? Is that infrastructure there?”

Peter Raison, a 58-year-old train driver for Transport for London who lives across the road from Islam, is also not surprised by the high level of mortality. Many like him on their street have to go to work and even he isn’t being provided with PPE. He is upset that there are people still failing to socially distance as the death tolls increase. “People are just assuming it’s not going to happen to me.”


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 9:13:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

OK, the US has one ally against China...anyone else want to enter the fray?


The Australians make noises about an international investigation....and...

quote:

"Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China's shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off."

— Hu Xijin, Global Times editor



Here’s a good summary on the lead up to the above comment being made.
This article is from our national broadcaster.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-30/coronavirus-china-diplomatic-backlash/12198674


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 10:46:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jdsrae


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

OK, the US has one ally against China...anyone else want to enter the fray?


The Australians make noises about an international investigation....and...

quote:

"Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China's shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off."

— Hu Xijin, Global Times editor



Here’s a good summary on the lead up to the above comment being made.
This article is from our national broadcaster.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-30/coronavirus-china-diplomatic-backlash/12198674



A good overview. As noted previously, this is not all positive for China right now. Judging by some of the comments about eliciting praise for their handling of the virus in China, they are feeling the pinch both in terms of image and the economy, down 9.8%.


A Chinese emissary to this country has never put the relationship in such shockingly raw calculation.

Were it not for the firm knowledge that the Chinese economy, which shrank 9.8 per cent in the March quarter, will need new vigour in the months ahead, powered by Australian coal, iron ore and gas, the concern would have been greater.

The Chinese Embassy in France has been very active in promoting China's success in quelling the coronavirus while being critical of the response in France and Europe.


In Germany, Chinese diplomats have been seeking to elicit praise for Beijing's handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 11:03:09 AM   
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Another look at testing sorted for percentage positive with the WHO recommended 10% line marked.

This seems like the most important indicator right now of which countries and regions are struggling, and which have a good chance to reopen and keep the Ro below 1.

The UK went down almost another 2% points to 17.3, so still a ways to go before getting under 10%. Testing is reportedly ramping up to the 100k a day mark the govt had attempted for May 1, but of course there is more controversy over how tests are being counted. The percentage positive indicator seems the best to look at rather than total tests administered.

Brazil and Ecuador still look rough, and some African countries are ridiculously high with only a very few tests administered.

Iran, an early hotspot still seems in the thick of it, but who really knows with the numbers released from there.

The IHME model as designed was based on an assumption of the curve being similar on the front and back sides in an individual country, but that doesn't seem to be happening anywhere. Many European countries are still logging high numbers of cases and high percentages even though deaths are going down. Italy looks to be better, at 10.1% positive now.

On a side note, Eastern European countries across the board seem to be doing remarkably well through this so far.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 11:10:44 AM   
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A study in Harvard Global Health shows a comparison between SARS-1 and SARS-2

https://globalepidemics.org/2020/03/23/sars-1-vs-sars-2-does-the-new-virus-live-longer-on-surfaces/






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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 11:54:56 AM   
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That is why I can't agree with your statement that your institutions always treat people fairly and are only criticized (unfairly) by left wing zealots.

As always, there will be a few zealots whose unreasonable accusations spoil the reasonable cases being made by most plaintiffs.



Where in the effing hell did I make any such statement? Quote it please?

Where the EFF do you get off putting words like that in my mouth?

Maybe we should start calling you Cathy Newman....so what you're saying is.....

I'm very sorry for you that you don't seem to grasp that you just placed yourself in that zealot category you referred to.

Your paraphrasing post attempting to put words in my mouth is REPREHENSIBLE.
This is exactly the kind of treatment conservatives have come to expect from leftists.

You have earned a Green Button and a complaint to a moderator for your slander.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/2/2020 11:55:25 AM   
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Pentagon confirms 3 videos showing "unidentified aerial phenomena"
4 days ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pentagon-confirms-3-videos-showing-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/ar-BB13h51b?li=BBnb7Kz#image=BB13h51b_1|2



"Washington — The Pentagon on Monday formally released three unclassified videos taken by Navy pilots that have circulated for years showing interactions with "unidentified aerial phenomena."

One of the videos shows an incident from 2004, and the other two were recorded in January 2015, according to Sue Gough, a Defense Department spokeswoman. The videos became public after unauthorized leaks in 2007 and 2017, and the Navy previously verified their authenticity."



""Dude, this is a f***ing drone, bro," a pilot exclaims on the video. Another person says "there's a whole fleet of them.""




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