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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/23/2020 8:31:42 PM   
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A Japanese HQ was disorganised, in movement, to get the rest of the army in supply.
A Chinese city was taken but no entry chit was drawn.
Two land combat rolls were high enough to get a +23.
The 11th inf takes over the hex of the Peking Militia.
The 2nd Inf moves in the other hex.
Rebase : The bomber from Kaifeng to Wuhan. The naval from Haichow to Wuhan.
No HQ reorganisation.
Over to the Germans to end impuls.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/24/2020 5:44:17 PM   
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Jan/Feb 1940
Impulse: 7 (Axis)


Air Rebase:
Germany

A bomber completes its journey to Poland

Italy

A Macchi heads deeper into France

Japan

See above.

Reorganisation: None


End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 2 (a 10 is thrown)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/26/2020 2:39:40 AM   
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Turn 3. Jan/Feb 1940. Allied #10. USSR & China (1/2).

USSR - combine. China - land. No air moves. No land combats.

Future Eastern Front.

One unit railed and one unit moved.

Railed. AA div. Odessa to Poland 54,51.
Moved. 4 inf div in the north.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/26/2020 2:40:25 AM   
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Turn 3. Jan/Feb 1940. Allied #10. USSR & China (1/2).

China.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/26/2020 3:37:18 PM   
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Jan Feb 1940 Allied #10

China - Land
USSR - Combined
CW - Combined
France - Land
US - Combined

No port attacks
No naval air

CW sends 2 convoys from Plymouth to Gibraltar
CW returns a transport from Gibraltar to Bristol

The US sails an INF DIV from San Diego to Midway.

Naval combat:

CW tries to initiate combat in the Italian Coast.
Does Italy want to react?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/26/2020 5:06:37 PM   
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No thank-you

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/26/2020 8:01:06 PM   
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Jan Feb 1940 allied #10
Continued Naval Combat

Italy declines to intercept.
Searchrolls allied 1 axis 10
Italian convoy sunk

No stratbombing
No groundstrikes

USSR and China rails and moves as posted above by Ronnie.

CW advances to make a move on Benghazi.


France retreats from southern France in order!



Air rebase:
CW rebases a Harrow to Harwich and a FTR from France to Dover.


No reorg.

End of turn on die less than 5. 10 rolled.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/27/2020 3:25:05 PM   
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Jan/Feb 1940 imp. 13
Japan chooses land move.
Strategic bombing on Sian: Ki-32 (mary) bomber rolls 1. Way of target.
Bomber returns to Tungkwan.
Nothing else till movement phase.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 8:45:06 AM   
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Impulse: 13 (Axis)

The weather roll was a 7(9)




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 8:55:11 AM   
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Impulse: 13 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombardment:
Japan

vs Sian with a Ki-32

Germany

vs Hull with an He-115c
vs Liverpool with a Ju-88 on extended range
vs Metz with an He-111

Italy

vs Marseilles with a Z.501




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 11:12:15 AM   
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Impulse: 13 (Axis)


Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Germany

German forces continue to press into France from Alsace-Lorraine, while also support the Italians to the south.

Italy

The Italians move into France stalls slightly as they wait for reinforcements, but the bridgehead over the Rhone is further expanded. In East Africa the Italians seek to explore their new found colony of Sudan.

I hand over to the Japanese.

Euro Axis orders for the rest of the impulse are limited to the German fighter southeast of Brussels moving to the forest west of Saarbrucken.
No land combats, no reorganisation.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 11:48:21 AM   
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quote:


In East Africa the Italians seek to explore their new found colony of Sudan.


I just learned how WIF works. In my group we have always played with the understanding that out of supply units do not unflip but the latest couple of days we have all became painfully aware that this is not the case. I have gravely underestimated the potential damage a few units can do behind the lines. It is slow but hard to stop.

It is amazing on how many things we have gotten wrong over the years!

I am starting to think that some rules were different in like WIF first edition and we never realized that they got changed along the way.

A selection of things we have done wrong:
* Vichy, about all of it. But we have mostly played with the optional version so it does not matter that much.
* Supply as mentioned above. This perhaps the most mindblowing misreading of the rules as it changes so much.
* How to rebase from a seaarea
* the it is only NAV that give +1 for searchrolls, not LND with NAV-factors
* overseas supply for non-HQ units
and many more things I am sure.

It is like learning the game from scratch!

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 1:07:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

quote:


In East Africa the Italians seek to explore their new found colony of Sudan.


I just learned how WIF works. In my group we have always played with the understanding that out of supply units do not unflip but the latest couple of days we have all became painfully aware that this is not the case. I have gravely underestimated the potential damage a few units can do behind the lines. It is slow but hard to stop.

It is amazing on how many things we have gotten wrong over the years!

I am starting to think that some rules were different in like WIF first edition and we never realized that they got changed along the way.

A selection of things we have done wrong:
* Vichy, about all of it. But we have mostly played with the optional version so it does not matter that much.
* Supply as mentioned above. This perhaps the most mindblowing misreading of the rules as it changes so much.
* How to rebase from a seaarea
* the it is only NAV that give +1 for searchrolls, not LND with NAV-factors
* overseas supply for non-HQ units
and many more things I am sure.

It is like learning the game from scratch!

warspite1

Lolz, I know the feeling Sadly with an appalling memory - made even worse by my increasingly frail dotage - every time I play an impulse I have forgotten what I learn't before. I have to re-learn the game every time I do a turn....


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 1:36:48 PM   
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Oh another mayor thing we have done wrong is that LND and FTR in sea-areas have been able to do missions from the sea area. Another huge missreading of the rules.
WIF is hard!

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 7:46:04 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 7:47:34 PM   
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The Japanese have two attacks. Assault is the only option for defender.
The the attack on the 17th inf was supported by two bombers with a total of +4 support.
Roll was a 6. Enough for a +23. No unit moves in.
The assault on Chengsha city got a high roll of 20! All units stacked with the art moved into the city.
Rebase : Naval bomber to Tungkwan.
The turn ended on a roll of 2




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/28/2020 11:28:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

quote:


In East Africa the Italians seek to explore their new found colony of Sudan.


I just learned how WIF works. In my group we have always played with the understanding that out of supply units do not unflip but the latest couple of days we have all became painfully aware that this is not the case. I have gravely underestimated the potential damage a few units can do behind the lines. It is slow but hard to stop.

It is amazing on how many things we have gotten wrong over the years!

I am starting to think that some rules were different in like WIF first edition and we never realized that they got changed along the way.

A selection of things we have done wrong:
* Vichy, about all of it. But we have mostly played with the optional version so it does not matter that much.
* Supply as mentioned above. This perhaps the most mindblowing misreading of the rules as it changes so much.
* How to rebase from a seaarea
* the it is only NAV that give +1 for searchrolls, not LND with NAV-factors
* overseas supply for non-HQ units
and many more things I am sure.

It is like learning the game from scratch!


Something my group learned playing WiF is that rules are written on quantum paper. They change AFTER you have read them. This is our explanation of the number of rules we got wrong, and we are sticking to it.

(Also, see my .sig.)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 4:03:24 AM   
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January/February 1940
Impulse: End of Turn Malarchy - EuroAxis


Neutrality Pact:
2 x Defensive Chits please.


Production Planning:

Germany

Oil Situation:

2 x Oil from Romania (both saved in Warsaw)
2 x Oil from USSR (both saved in Lodz)
1 x Oil from Austria (to production)
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of trade agreement)

9 Oil last turn so should be 13 (less what is used to reorganise)
13 Build Points (incl. 0 saved)

Italy

Oil Situation:

1 x Oil from Romania (to production)
1 x Oil from Germany (saved in Milan)
5 Build Points (incl. 0 saved)

2 Oil last turn so should be 3 (less what is used to reorganise)


Stay At Sea:

Italy

N/a

Germany

Convoys only

Return to Base:

N/a

Oil Reorganisation:

Germany

Reorganise all except for the He-115C for 0.4 Oil (0 Oil expended)

Italy

Reorganise all for 0.1 Oil (0 Oil expended)

Breakdown: None


Production:
Germany

Scrap the 3-3 SUB

3 x PIL
2 x LND (2)
1 x FTR (2)
1 x SUB Construction (1st Cycle)

Italy

1 x Andrea Doria repair
1 x SUB Construction
1 x TERR

Factory Destruction:
Italy

The Partisan destroys the factory in Bombay

Reinforcement:
Germany

Assign the stuka, the Bf-110 and the Hs-123

Kiel: SUB
Dusseldorf: PARA
Saarbrucken: stuka, Bf-110
Aachen: Hs-123

Italy

Assign the Ba-65

TERR depends on what it is - please advise
La Spezia: Vittorio Veneto
Turin: Ba-65


Trade Agreement:

Germany

Amend the existing Agreement: 4 Build Points and 1 oil to Italy


Re-Roll if I have one
If I get the chance to move first I will.



MEMO ITEM:

Germany
Oil (7 x Berlin, 4 x Lodz, 2 x Warsaw) = 13
0 x Build Points (0)

Italy
Oil (3 x Milan) = 3
0 x Build Point (0)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 1:16:26 PM   
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End of turn J/F 1940

US-entry:
Chit drawn towards Ge/IT
Embargo on strategic materials, a 4 is rolled and a chit is moved to tension.
No more options chosen.

Prel Prod:
Germany 13bp, 4 oil saved
Italy 5bp, 1 oil saved
Japan 15bp, no oil saved
China 6bp, no oil saved
CW 15bps, 7 oil saved
Frace, 4 bps, 1 oil saved
US 10 bp, 1 oil saved
USSR 14 bp, 1 oil saved

Stay at sea:
CW keeps some ships to protect shipping and some presence in western and eastern med.

Return to base:
CW returns some ships from convoyduty
France dismantles their pacific convoylines. 1 convoys is sent to French Caledonia, 2 convoys are sent to Madagascar and 1 is sent to Syria.


Oil:
USSR uses 0,4 to organize Timoshenko
Germany uses 0,4 oil to reorganize two LND
Italy uses 0,1 oil to reorganize a NAV
Japan uses 1 oil reorganize all
China uses no oil
CW uses 3 oil to reorganize all
France uses 0,15 to reorganize 3 convoys
US uses 0,4 to reorganize 3 transports and a CA

Breakdowns:
None

Final production:
As per preliminary production except something very weird. One of the NEI oil is suddenly saved for Japan even if it was correctly producing during prel. prod. And the kicker is that once you enter final production you cannot alter the tradedeal resources.
CW also lost oil saved for some reason but this could be adjusted.

Scrap:
Germany scraps a sub
Japan scraps a transport
CW scraps a FTR and a LND


Builds:
Germany builds 3 PIL, 2 LND, 1 FTR and a SUB
Italy builds a repair of Andrea Doria, a SUB and a TERR
Japan builds 2 INF, 1 TERR, 1 MTN, 2CPV (0) and a TRS

China builds 1 INF, 1 CAV and 1 CAV DIV
CW builds 1 INF, 1 TERR, 2 Convoys, 1 NAV, 1 FTR, 1 PIL
France builds 2 TERR
US builds 2 PIL, 2 CVP, 1 TRS and 1 MTN DIV
USSR builds HQ-I, 1 CAV, 1 GAR, 1 INF and 1 INF DIV

Factory destruction:
Italian partisan in Bombay destroys factory.

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MAR/APR 1940

Reinforcements:
As per orders from Robert for Germany and Italy.
The TERR for Italy was in French Somaliland so not much choice.

Japan deploys a TERR in Korea and Transportplane in Sasebo.

CW assigns a pilot to a LND3 and deploys an INF in Bristol, a Wellington LND in London, a convoy in Adelaide and a TERR in Uganda. 3 ships have finished their first cycle and are put into the constructionspool.

France assigns a pilot to a Potez FTR. France place TERRs in Algier and New Caledonia, a convoy in Dakar and an ARM and the Potez FTR in Paris

The US deploys the new carriers in San Diego and a MECH DIV in Newark. A convoy is placed on the west coast.

USSR places 2 INF, 1 GAR, 1 MTN and 2 INF DIV close to the polish border. A communist chinese cav is placed in a Yenan.

Trade Agreements:
Germany amends the agreement with Italy and now sends 4 build points and 1 oil.

Initiative:
Axis rolls 3, becomes a 4
Allies rolls 8

Axis asks for a reroll.

Axis rolls 1
Allies rolls 6

Allies moves first (I am asking Ronnie for confirmation on this before moving on)
Confirmed by Ronnie, allies are moving first.

Weather for allied impulse #1 mar/apr 1940 is a 6 + 2 = 8. Rain in the arctic and fine everywhere else.
Now moving to a new post.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 3:54:32 PM   
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Thanks JP - please advise which TERR was pulled out at your earliest opportunity (so it doesn't unnecessarily delay the reinforcement phase). Many thanks.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 4:11:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Thanks JP - please advise which TERR was pulled out at your earliest opportunity (so it doesn't unnecessarily delay the reinforcement phase). Many thanks.


Gotcha! It was all in one go so not much time in between this time around!

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 4:59:26 PM   
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Updated the end of turn post up until the weather in the first impulse. Now starting a new post.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 5:47:11 PM   
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Turn 4. Mar/Apr 1940. Allied #1. USSR & China MP (1/2).

USSR (neutral) - combine China - land.

No air or naval missions for USSR and China. Just land (unit) rail and moves.

No land combat (both MP's).

European Map Moves.

Rail. 76 mm A/T div. Chisinau, USSR to Vilna, Poland.

USSR Land Move (1/5). 5th mtn corps. Cernauti, USSR to Poland 55, 50.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 5:50:41 PM   
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Turn 4. Mar/Apr 1940. Allied #1. USSR & China MP (2/2).

USSR land moves (concluded).

(2) Sian MIL. Sian -> 77, 137.
(3) 5th Gar Army. 77,137 -> Sian
(4) Lanchow MIL. 74,138 -> Yenan.
(5) Cav Div. Yenan -> 74,138.

Chinese land moves.
(1) Kunming MIL. move to 90,133
(2) Kunming War. move to 90,135.
(3) Canton MIL. move to Kweilin.
(4) 6th inf army. move to 87,140.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 6:14:19 PM   
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Mar/Apr 1940 allied impulse #1
(for Ronnies moves see his posts)

CW naval
France combined
US pass

Port attacks:
None

Naval air:
CW sends a NAV into the 3-box of the North Sea

Naval movement:
CW moves a fleet into the North Sea. They also sail a dutch TRS loaded with the London MIL.

CW protects their convoys.

CW sails a convoy into Cape Naturaliste, the Persian gulf, West med, Bay of Biscay and North Sea.

A dutch sub moves into the Italian coast.

CW sails a fleet into the western med together with a transport that loads the engineer from Gibraltar.

France sails their fleet into the western med.





Strategic bombardment:
None

Groundstrikes:
France groundstrikes the German hex SW of Brussels with the 3-2 art. 5, 8 and 6 rolled. All fail.

Landmoves:


Landcombat:
None

Rebase:
None

Reorg:
None

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/29/2020 8:35:53 PM   
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Mar/april 1940 imp3 Axis
Japan chooses a land move.
Strategic bombing from a Japanese factor2 naval missed Lanchow.
Bomber returned Whence.
We await the movement phase.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 6:31:49 PM   
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Mar/Apr 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing:
Japan

A NAV is sent to Lanchow but does no damage.

Ground Strike:
Germany

The Germans send bombers to the Ardennes (a 5-factor stuka is the second aircraft) and the hex west and southeast.

The aircraft the Germans can counter-intercept with are as shown plus a 4-factor, 3 range in Liege. What do the French want to do?




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 7:03:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Mar/Apr 1940
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing:
Japan

A NAV is sent to Lanchow but does no damage.

Ground Strike:
Germany

The Germans send bombers to the Ardennes (a 5-factor stuka is the second aircraft) and the hex west and southeast.

The aircraft the Germans can counter-intercept with are as shown plus a 4-factor, 3 range in Liege. What do the French want to do?


I give up. Drink wine?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 7:48:20 PM   
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The french sends an MS-406 from the hex east of Rouen to the groundstrike NW of Reims.
France sends the other MS-406 to the hex west of Strasbourg.

They will fight until the bombers are either aborted or cleared and then rebase to the hexes west of Paris and SE of Paris, if still alive.


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 7:53:59 PM   
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So to be clear, your target is the bomber and not the fighter in all cases?

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