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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 8:44:11 PM   
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This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.


He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?


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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 10:15:31 PM   
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This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.


He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?



Ha! Good question?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 10:20:47 PM   
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quote:

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This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.


He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?



Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200329-sitrep-69-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.






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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 10:54:56 PM   
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This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.


He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?



Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200329-sitrep-69-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.





I am not being silly. How will he count the suicide of the Hessian as a corona virus death? It appears that he could not handle the pressure placed upon him.

As far as statistics go, three statisticians went deer hunting and they saw a deer. The first one fired and missed, wide to the left. The second one fired and missed, wide to the right by the same distance. The third one jumped up and down, yelling "We got him, we got him!" Taking the average of the two shots, the third one is correct.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 11:23:44 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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This is how Germany figures it also. Don't understand his math?

53,340 Germans had tested positive for the coronavirus as of March 28, with 397 deaths. That gives a death rate of 0.74%. Spain's rate is 7.6% and Italy's is 10.2%.


He only considers the recovered and the dead. He also does not consider whether or not they had any other health problem.

I wonder, if he tested positive for the corona virus then he shot himself in the head, would he call that a corona virus death?



Don't be silly. That would not be death caused by a virus complication.

W.H.O. situation report:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200329-sitrep-69-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=8d6620fa_2

Worldometer:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You will notice Worldometer is up there too. But it you look deeper into their site other things also become apparent. It's just how you jostle the numbers. With statistics there is no right or wrong, just numbers that people get stupid over.





I am not being silly. How will he count the suicide of the Hessian as a corona virus death? It appears that he could not handle the pressure placed upon him.

As far as statistics go, three statisticians went deer hunting and they saw a deer. The first one fired and missed, wide to the left. The second one fired and missed, wide to the right by the same distance. The third one jumped up and down, yelling "We got him, we got him!" Taking the average of the two shots, the third one is correct.


What is 33,903 divided by 150,918? So, unless you have problems with division you will see that number is not wrong. I personally don't care. I simply post the numbers put up by organizations with more knowledge than you and I put together. If you would bother to look deeper into Worldometer's site you will see they look at both ways of doing it. That is the correct way to go about it because until the dust settles neither method is correct.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/29/2020 11:35:52 PM   
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The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 12:06:29 AM   
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The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

RR


I'm going with the Germans on this one!

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 12:13:05 AM   
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The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

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That is what Lemay is doing.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 11:24:28 AM   
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This weekend, a first episode of spring pollution was observed in several points of the territory, especially in Ile-de-France and in the Grand-Est, the two regions most affected by the spread of the Covid epidemic- 19. Because, while the containment measures made it possible to reduce pollution linked to road traffic with a spectacular fall in nitrogen oxide emissions, they had no effect on the levels of fine particles, the most dangerous for health because they penetrate deep into the airways. These levels even increased during the week due to weather conditions (sunshine and absence of wind) to exceed, on Saturday March 28, the legal limits, in the Paris agglomeration, the Bas-Rhin or the Haut-Rhin.

In addition to residential wood heating, this episode of pollution is characterized by "a large proportion of secondary particles formed from ammonia and nitrogen oxides, ammonia being mainly derived from the spreading of fertilizers", recalls Atmo Grand -Is the organization responsible for monitoring air pollution in the region. The chemical process is well known: during agricultural spreading, ammonia gas (NH3), passing through the atmosphere, reacts with nitrogen oxides (NOx) - from road traffic or industrial activity - to form particles of ammonium nitrate and ammonium sulfate. These particles can travel for several kilometers, hence the pollution peaks observed in large cities, such as Paris, Strasbourg or Mulhouse.

The areas affected by these peaks are also those that pay the highest price for the coronavirus. In a note released on Friday, March 27, Atmo France, which brings together all of the air quality monitoring organizations, concludes that "chronic exposure to air pollution is an aggravating factor for health impacts during of contagion by Covid-19 ".

"Pollution damages the mucous membranes of the respiratory tract and the lung, which makes viruses more easily penetrate, and fine particles transport the viruses to the bottom of the airways"

A week earlier, several doctors and researchers, all specialists in air pollution, had raised the alarm. In a letter, sent on March 21 to all the prefects, the Air-Santé-Climat collective challenged the State on "the need to drastically limit agricultural spreading, in order to do everything to limit the spread of the virus" .

Member of the collective and director of the epidemiology department of allergic and respiratory diseases at Inserm, Isabella Annesi-Maesano details the mechanism: "Pollution damages the mucous membranes of the respiratory tract and lung, which makes viruses and , by aggregation, fine and ultrafine particles carry viruses at the bottom of the airways. In 2003, a study published in the public health scientific journal Environmental Health analyzed the link between air pollution and lethal cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS; caused by SARS-CoV) in China. . It showed that infected patients living in moderately polluted regions were 84% more likely to die than patients in less polluted regions. Similarly, patients living in heavily polluted areas were twice as likely to die from SARS as those in less polluted areas.
The hypothesis of virus transport in the air via particles

An Italian study, published March 17, by the Italian Society of Environmental Medicine, goes further. Based on the correlation between the high levels of pollution observed in Lombardy and the large number of victims of the coronavirus, it suggests that fine particles could also contribute to the propagation of Covid-19 by transporting it in the air.

Newspaper"Le Monde".

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 12:50:29 PM   
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I'm going with the Germans on this one!


U.S. March 30th

2,508/142,872 = 1.7%

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 2:30:18 PM   
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The fallacy is in the model?

When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?

RR


Right. How do you know whether they are going to die or recover? They are just like those coins that are still in the air.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 2:30:49 PM   
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Today's worldwide figures:




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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 2:42:42 PM   
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34949/735875 = 4.7%

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 2:58:02 PM   
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117 immediate family members/0 infected = 0% deaths

This is the only number I give a crap about.


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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/30/2020 5:28:41 PM   
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117 immediate family members/0 infected = 0% deaths

This is the only number I give a crap about.


I like that.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 7:05:16 AM   
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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 10:59:51 AM   
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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".


If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 11:30:34 AM   
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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".


If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.

+1,000,000

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 11:52:06 AM   
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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".


If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.

+1,000,000

Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 1:10:37 PM   
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quote:

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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".


If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.

+1,000,000

Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.

I got a robocall asking me to donate to a fund for 'the grieving families of corona virus victims'. I had a sudden urge violently terminate someone's life.

My little peeve is that traffic lights aren't adjusted for what used to be rush hour.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 1:13:05 PM   
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Medicines: nine major European hospitals appeal for help

"We will soon run out of essential drugs" against the coronavirus, warn Europe's largest hospitals in a letter to their governments.

The alert comes from the nine largest hospitals in Europe. In a letter to their respective governments, doctors are calling for emergency measures to deal with the shortage of medicines. “Hospitals will soon run out of essential drugs to treat Covid-19 patients hospitalized in intensive care units. Without European collaboration to ensure a continuous supply of medicines, they may no longer be able to provide adequate intensive care within one to two weeks, "say the signatories, doctors and directors of member establishments. European Alliance of University Hospitals.

All are at the forefront of the Covid-19 epidemic, which has already claimed more than 23,000 lives in Europe. Among them: Public Assistance-Hospitals of Paris (AP-HP), San Raffaele in Milan, Vall d´Hebron in Barcelona, ​​King’s College in London or Charity in Berlin. In France, the letter was to be sent in the morning of Tuesday, March 31, to the President of the Republic, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Health.

“At this rate of consumption, the stocks of the hospitals most affected will be empty in a few days and in two weeks for those who have larger stocks. […] This has already led some hospitals to buy drugs or dosages different from what they are used to. It is extremely worrying to see nurses and medical students overworked and often less experienced (…) using products and dosages with which they are not familiar. "

Newspaper"Le Monde".

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 2:36:03 PM   
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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 2:37:01 PM   
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quote:

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Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".


If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.

+1,000,000

Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.

I got a robocall asking me to donate to a fund for 'the grieving families of corona virus victims'. I had a sudden urge violently terminate someone's life.

My little peeve is that traffic lights aren't adjusted for what used to be rush hour.


Do the trains run on time?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 2:45:28 PM   
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Kid: Hey mum, when is this coronavirus thingy going to be over?

Mum: Just shut up and eat your toilet paper.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 2:52:04 PM   
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39014/803313 = 4.9

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 8:34:23 PM   
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A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated text follows

There is no evidence that cats can transmit the virus to people.

Belgian health authorities have announced a possible case of coronavirus in a cat, though further testing is needed. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cats-animals-pets-coronavirus-covid19

A cat in Belgium seems to have become infected with the coronavirus and may have had COVID-19, the disease that the virus causes. While the case — the first reported in cats — suggests that the animals can catch the virus, there is no evidence that felines play a role in spreading the coronavirus, and it’s still unclear how susceptible they are to the disease.

“This is an isolated case, so it is not the rule,” microbiologist Emmanuel André of KU Leuven said March 27 at a news conference held by Belgium’s public health institute.

The cat probably picked up the virus, called SARS-CoV-2, from its owner, who fell ill with COVID-19 after traveling to northern Italy. About a week later, the cat started to show signs of illness: respiratory issues, nausea and diarrhea. In lab tests, feces and vomit samples showed high levels of SARS-CoV-2’s genetic material.

But that positive result comes with caveats. The samples were collected and sent to the lab by the owner, and a veterinarian has yet to examine the cat. The cat recovered after nine days, and once it’s released from quarantine, researchers will run a blood test for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, which would provide more concrete proof of an infection. Those results are expected in about a week.

Even if the cat tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, it might be hard to definitively prove that the virus made the cat sick — lots of other pathogens cause respiratory and stomach issues in cats.

“What makes us actually believe that this cat was infected is that there was quite a lot of virus detected in the feces and vomit in multiple tests over several days,” says Jane Sykes, a veterinarian at the University of California, Davis.

It’s not that surprising that cats could pick up SARS-CoV-2. The virus zeroes in on a protein called angiotensin-converting enzyme II, or ACE2, to hack into cells. Cats and humans have versions of this protein that are nearly identical in spots where the virus binds. The virus that causes SARS targets cells using the same break-in method (SN: 2/3/20), and it has been shown to infect cats and ferrets in a lab setting, though cats did not develop signs of disease.

In a study in the March 2020 issue of Journal of Virology, researchers note that SARS-CoV-2 can probably recognize ACE2 in cats, ferrets, orangutans, monkeys and some bat species. Another study, published March 30 in Cell Host and Microbe, confirms SARS-CoV-2 can infect ferrets, too.

Earlier in March, the first dog tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (SN: 3/5/20), followed by another pup on March 19. Neither dog had symptoms and both results were only weakly positive, but the first dog, a 17-year-old Pomeranian from Hong Kong, died of unknown causes shortly after its release from quarantine. ACE2 looks a little bit different in dogs, which might make it harder for the virus to recognize and could make dogs less susceptible to infection.

As in people, more testing could provide a crisper snapshot of how the coronavirus affects pets. Hong Kong, for example, has continued to screen some animals in homes with people who have tested positive for COVID-19. Out of 17 dogs and eight cats, only those two dogs have returned positive results, as of March 25.

In the United States, a company called Idexx Laboratories has developed its own diagnostic test to detect genetic material from SARS-CoV-2 in animals. From February 14 to March 12, Idexx says that it tested over 4,000 dogs, cats and horses from the United States and South Korea. None has been positive for the virus. While the tests did include animals from hot spots like Seattle, it’s unknown if any of the animals lived in homes with people that had COVID-19. Idexx is continuing to test animals and has expanded its pool of subjects to Europe and Canada.

While all that testing could fill in some unknowns about how the virus affects cats and dogs, pet owners shouldn’t panic. Cases in pets have been extremely rare so far. Sykes points out that if COVID-19 were a serious problem for pets, we would know it by now. “Dogs and cats may be what we call dead-end hosts,” she says. “They get infected with the virus. They shed it, but they’re unlikely to shed it enough to spread it to people.”

The American Veterinary Medical Association recommends taking normal precautions when cleaning litter boxes and feeding animals. If owners test positive for COVID-19, they should consider having someone else in the household care for the pet while they’re sick or wear a mask around the pet and limit contact. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has similar recommendations.


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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 3/31/2020 8:48:16 PM   
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A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated



Great. Cats are already targeted by enough sick minded people. Now because this story starts out with cats the sickos will use that as an excuse for wholesale slaughter of them. Never mind that it also mentions dogs and other animals. Cats are the first mentioned and that's where the reading will stop.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 4/1/2020 3:42:04 PM   
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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 4/1/2020 5:16:16 PM   
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39014/803313 = 4.9

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That's what I want to know. In that graph on cases and deaths from the Covid Virus from Wuhan, how is deathrate calculated?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus - 4/1/2020 9:55:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gilmer


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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

39014/803313 = 4.9

RR


That's what I want to know. In that graph on cases and deaths from the Covid Virus from Wuhan, how is deathrate calculated?


I would not rely on any numbers from China. They will never tell anyone, including the W.H.O., what is really happening there. Not only does the central government cover up, the many local governments also cover up the truth so even the central government does not have a clear picture. Anything from there is nothing more than a guess. For instance, the Chinese government says there are only double digit new cases and only from returning citizens. Yet the W.H.O. reports triple digit new cases and all from local transmission.





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