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RE: Feb27.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/11/2020 6:01:36 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


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things didn't work too well in Burma

as he finally brought LBAs and submarines

Ramilles took 2 torpedoes, a few small xAKLs sank

I guess support must come from the air ; or maybe I can use landing craft; there are very few naval assets in the Indian Ocean




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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
xAK Rizwani, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

xAK Rizwani is sighted by SS I-10
SS I-10 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Rizwani


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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 2 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
No.261 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 13
Hurricane IIc Trop x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB Ramillies, Torpedo hits 1
xAKL Circe, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Santa Ana

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.155 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.14 Sqn RNZAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Raid is overhead



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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 27,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 17

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
No.261 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (1 airborne, 1 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes



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Morning Air attack on 39th Indian Division, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 1
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(5 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 19000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 66 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 69 minutes
No.261 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 22000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes

Also attacking 77th LRP Brigade ...
Also attacking 111th LRP Brigade ...
Also attacking 39th Indian Division ...


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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes

Also attacking 39th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Prome ...
Also attacking 39th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Prome ...
Also attacking 39th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Prome ...

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Morning Air attack on Prome , at 55,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 17

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 damaged
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.67 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 6000.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 45th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking Prome ...
Also attacking 45th Indian Brigade ...
Also attacking Prome ...

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Morning Air attack on Ramree Island , at 54,48

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 5
Hurricane IIc Trop x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 84 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 68 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
No.155 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 9000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 119 minutes
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 54,48

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 14
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 11
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Ramillies
xAKL Sagoland, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Selma City

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
3 planes vectored on to bombers
No.155 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.258 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
No.14 Sqn RNZAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Raid is overhead

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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-173

Allied Ships
BB Ramillies, Torpedo hits 1

BB Ramillies is sighted by SS I-173
SS I-173 launches 4 torpedoes at BB Ramillies


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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-159

Allied Ships
xAK Rizwani, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

xAK Rizwani is sighted by SS I-159
SS I-159 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Rizwani



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Feb28.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/11/2020 8:29:31 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


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next turn the landings will begin

Paramashuro's first bombardment was puny, let's hope the 2nd is better. I will be assaulting a fort, therefore I expect some heavy losses in ships

I expect no opposition at Onnekotan, Shimishiru and Ketoi

Then who knows what I will find in a few days at Etorofu and Uruppu




in other news, atrocious results at Burma... I guess it was not the greatest of ideas to send ships with so limited support, his LBAs and submarines stopped all possibility of continuing and they sank old Ramillies


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Submarine attack near Ramree Island at 53,47

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
BB Ramillies, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

BB Ramillies is sighted by SS I-174
SS I-174 launches 4 torpedoes at BB Ramillies

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Night Naval bombardment of Paramushiro-jima at 137,47 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

64 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
CA Northampton
DD Carmick
DD Strong
DD Saufley
DD Radford

Japanese ground losses:
239 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8
Port hits 4

CA Chicago firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at CA Chicago
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CA Northampton
CA Northampton firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at CA Northampton
DD Carmick firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at DD Carmick
DD Strong firing at Paramushiro-jima
DD Saufley firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at DD Saufley
DD Radford firing at Paramushiro-jima


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TF 289 encounters mine field at Akyab (54,45)

Allied Ships
xAP Historian, Mine hits 1





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D-day went better than expected,
only one xAP sank, some xAKs damaged and the enemy LBAs paid a price for disrupting the landings
no enemy surface TFs yet, no submarines, only Paramashuro had some troops, and not enough to seriously defense against regiment sized invaders

Tomorrow I will capture Shimushiri, Ketoi, Onnekotan and hopefully Paramushiru. Then disembark at Uruppu

the day after: Etorofu




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 01, 43
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Pre-Invasion action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
CA Northampton
CL Richmond
LST-450
DD Carmick

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Kitachishima Fortress firing at CA Chicago
CA Chicago firing at Kitachishima Fortress
CL Richmond firing at 37th JNAF AF Unit
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

TF 144 troops unloading over beach at Paramushiro-jima, 137,47

Allied ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

10 troops of a Canadian Militia lost from landing craft during unload of 14th Canadian Bde
10 troops of a Canadian Militia lost in surf during unload of 14th Canadian Bde /4
12 troops of a US Cmbt Eng Sqd 43 accidentally lost during unload of 50th Cmbt Engr Rgt
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 802nd Cmbt Engr Bn


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Amphibious Assault at Onnekotan-jima (136,48)

TF 290 troops unloading over beach at Onnekotan-jima, 136,48

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 42nd Const Rgt /1

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Amphibious Assault at Shimushiri-jima (132,51)

TF 45 troops unloading over beach at Shimushiri-jima, 132,51

Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (0 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)

15 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 27th Infantry Div /5


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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

46 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Chicago
CA Northampton, Shell hits 1
CL Richmond
DD Radford
LST-450
DD Carmick

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CA Chicago firing at 37th JNAF AF Unit
CA Northampton firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at CA Northampton
CL Richmond firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at CL Richmond
DD Radford firing at Kitachishima Fortress
DD Radford fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Onnekotan-jima (136,48)

TF 149 troops unloading over beach at Onnekotan-jima, 136,48

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)



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Amphibious Assault at Ketoi-jima (134,50)

TF 379 troops unloading over beach at Ketoi-jima, 134,50

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-452
LST-451
LST-450
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

LST-452 fired at enemy troops
LST-451 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AP Harris, Bomb hits 1
CL Raleigh
AP President Adams
xAP Ruth Alexander
xAK Kina II

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(18 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 14 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 19

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 14 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
14 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 81 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 18

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Mariso, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP Empire Pride, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Exhibitor

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 2000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ketoi-jima at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Nashville
CL St. Louis
CL Detroit

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Naval bombardment of Paramushiro-jima at 137,47 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 7 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
BB Pennsylvania
DD Jupiter
DD Dewey
DD Farragut
DD Hughes
DMS Hopkins
DMS Dorsey

Japanese ground losses:
711 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 65
Port hits 19
Port supply hits 6

BB New Mexico firing at Paramushiro-jima
BB Pennsylvania firing at Paramushiro-jima
DD Jupiter firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at DD Jupiter
DD Dewey firing at Paramushiro-jima
DD Farragut firing at Paramushiro-jima
DD Hughes firing at Paramushiro-jima
DMS Hopkins firing at Paramushiro-jima
DMS Dorsey firing at Paramushiro-jima


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Pre-Invasion action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AM Motive
AK Prince Georges

AM Motive fired at enemy guns
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

TF 73 troops unloading over beach at Paramushiro-jima, 137,47



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Amphibious Assault at Shimushiri-jima (132,51)

TF 124 troops unloading over beach at Shimushiri-jima, 132,51

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)



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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-450
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1526 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 33

Defending force 9527 troops, 228 guns, 274 vehicles, Assault Value = 519

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Kitachishima Fortress
37th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
766th Tank Battalion
18th Canadian Bde /2
802nd Cmbt Engineer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
Rifles of Canada Bn /1
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
50th Cmbt Engr Rgt /2
14th Canadian Bde /2
165th Field Artillery Battalion
98th FA Bn /1


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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/13/2020 9:12:10 PM   
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Are you surprised that there aren't more troops at Paramushiro Jima? I find it hard to believe that by 3/1/43 there aren't significant defenses there.

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/13/2020 9:53:08 PM   
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That was the main reason for the invasion; I didn't see any activity on the Kurils, no airbase or port construction, my submarines were never spotted by naval search, etc

so I was actually expecting to find empty or lightly defended bases, which so far has been the case

I am more worried about Etorofu, as I expect at the very least a much stronger LBA attack when I move there. Hopefully Paramushiro will be captured quickly and then I will have some air support besides old Lex and the Sangamons

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/13/2020 9:59:19 PM   
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That's pretty negligent as Japan to not have bases built in the Kuriles, or even air search. By March of 1943, the Japanese must have these built or Allies can do what you just did. Paramushiro can even be used by restricted IJN groups; as long as it's built up, you can quickly shift aircraft there in a pinch. But obviously he couldn't even do that.

If the Kurlies are empty, it's a good bet the only troops on Sakhalin are the Karafuto Bde.....maybe you can land in Shikuka and take the oil

Landing on Paramushiro does trigger a bunch of Depot Divisions and other land reinforcements, so heads-up, but probably too late in the game at this stage. You're just a few months away from bombing Japan, maybe closer.

Strange......

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/13/2020 10:00:57 PM   
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That was the main reason for the invasion; I didn't see any activity on the Kurils, no airbase or port construction, my submarines were never spotted by naval search, etc

so I was actually expecting to find empty or lightly defended bases, which so far has been the case

I am more worried about Etorofu, as I expect, at the very least a much stronger LBA attack when I move there. Hopefully Paramushiro will be captured quickly and then I will have some air support besides old Lex and the Sangamons

as a lesser experienced japan player i always regarded PJ as very important and at least base an Air HQ with Nells and enough INF to make it tough to take. Maybe other japan players aren't concerned about the shorter northern route to the HI.

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/13/2020 10:12:19 PM   
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That's pretty negligent as Japan to not have bases built in the Kuriles, or even air search. By March of 1943, the Japanese must have these built or Allies can do what you just did. Paramushiro can even be used by restricted IJN groups; as long as it's built up, you can quickly shift aircraft there in a pinch. But obviously he couldn't even do that.

If the Kurlies are empty, it's a good bet the only troops on Sakhalin are the Karafuto Bde.....maybe you can land in Shikuka and take the oil

Landing on Paramushiro does trigger a bunch of Depot Divisions and other land reinforcements, so heads-up, but probably too late in the game at this stage. You're just a few months away from bombing Japan, maybe closer.

Strange......


According to Alfred, it is good for the Allies to get those depot divisions because they will eat supply

I am really tempted to try something on Sakhalin like right away, I have one division at one of the Kurils that can be gambled


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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/14/2020 12:40:27 AM   
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Getting the depot divisions early when the Japanese are probably not short on supply, and low on units for internal defense on the Home Islands may actually help the enemy. This also allows them to train . . .

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/14/2020 3:06:19 AM   
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At least in the short to medium term, I am not planning to invade Japan; instead look for opportunistic targets that are undefended or poorly defended

We will see if I can pocket Sakhalin

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/14/2020 12:50:51 PM   
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Getting the depot divisions early when the Japanese are probably not short on supply, and low on units for internal defense on the Home Islands may actually help the enemy. This also allows them to train . . .


Yeah, I'm with RangerJoe on this one....it's early, so they are not a burden.

On the flip side, your opponent is way short of fuel and oil, IIRC my back of the napkin was that he had to be down to 1 mil or so stockpile in Home Islands, and falling every turn even without fleet ops. Not good....

Also, on Sakhalin, not that you really need advice....but that Karafuto Bde unit can't be in both Shikuka and Toyohara. But there's rail between them meaning they can get to either fast. I would prep forces to land on BOTH places quickly. That way at least one landing will be unopposed, you'll have a port on the Island, and conquest will be inevitable. He's more likely to defend Toyohara, but you never know....

You probably need to skip full prep on Sakhalin, and just do a quick, messy landing while nobody is there

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/14/2020 3:34:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

That was the main reason for the invasion; I didn't see any activity on the Kurils, no airbase or port construction, my submarines were never spotted by naval search, etc

so I was actually expecting to find empty or lightly defended bases, which so far has been the case

I am more worried about Etorofu, as I expect, at the very least a much stronger LBA attack when I move there. Hopefully Paramushiro will be captured quickly and then I will have some air support besides old Lex and the Sangamons

as a lesser experienced japan player i always regarded PJ as very important and at least base an Air HQ with Nells and enough INF to make it tough to take. Maybe other japan players aren't concerned about the shorter northern route to the HI.


Paramushiro can be a bit of a trap for Japan.

Yes, it's worthwhile defending. However, every bit of effort invested into defending it is effort that isn't spent on Hokkaido.

The trick is getting the balance right that makes any invasion before 1943/44 too challenging for the Allies without putting all your eggs in one basket.

The Kuriles need to be treated as a breakwater, the real steel of any IJ NorPac defence needs to come from Hokkaido/Sahkilin.


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

That's pretty negligent as Japan to not have bases built in the Kuriles, or even air search. By March of 1943, the Japanese must have these built or Allies can do what you just did. Paramushiro can even be used by restricted IJN groups; as long as it's built up, you can quickly shift aircraft there in a pinch. But obviously he couldn't even do that.

If the Kurlies are empty, it's a good bet the only troops on Sakhalin are the Karafuto Bde.....maybe you can land in Shikuka and take the oil

Landing on Paramushiro does trigger a bunch of Depot Divisions and other land reinforcements, so heads-up, but probably too late in the game at this stage. You're just a few months away from bombing Japan, maybe closer.

Strange......


According to Alfred, it is good for the Allies to get those depot divisions because they will eat supply

I am really tempted to try something on Sakhalin like right away, I have one division at one of the Kurils that can be gambled



Alfred (as is often the case) is right, they're not particularly good units and they'll eat a great deal of supply for little military value. Same with the Vietnam militia divisions.

That said, I won't grumble too much should either get activated.


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Getting the depot divisions early when the Japanese are probably not short on supply, and low on units for internal defense on the Home Islands may actually help the enemy. This also allows them to train . . .


Yeah, I'm with RangerJoe on this one....it's early, so they are not a burden.

On the flip side, your opponent is way short of fuel and oil, IIRC my back of the napkin was that he had to be down to 1 mil or so stockpile in Home Islands, and falling every turn even without fleet ops. Not good....

Also, on Sakhalin, not that you really need advice....but that Karafuto Bde unit can't be in both Shikuka and Toyohara. But there's rail between them meaning they can get to either fast. I would prep forces to land on BOTH places quickly. That way at least one landing will be unopposed, you'll have a port on the Island, and conquest will be inevitable. He's more likely to defend Toyohara, but you never know....

You probably need to skip full prep on Sakhalin, and just do a quick, messy landing while nobody is there


Agreed, Sakhalin is normally very low on the list of places to send reinforcements to for most IJ players.

I'd also advice against dividing your forces for any Sakhalin landing - pick one base (preferably Shikuka for favourable terrain and distance from Hokkaido) and just go in hard. The Karafuto Bde is just a bde, and should be fairly easy to overcome.

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RE: Mar1.43: While Japan sleeps - 10/14/2020 9:39:41 PM   
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This is Dday +1

Biggest surprise was to find that he garrisoned Uruppu-jima
Etorofu is empty and will be invaded next turn

Lots of LBA activity last turn, I decided to support landing of the closest to Japan (Uruppu) and let the others on their own, that cost me some ships at Shimushiro. Also, I made a big mistake one of the small support TFs and it ended the turn too close to Etorufu, and outside carrier support... end result was a total slaughter



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 02, 43
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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAP Klipfontein
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Night Naval bombardment of Paramushiro-jima at 137,47 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 2
DD Jupiter
DD Hughes
DMS Hopkins
DMS Dorsey

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 2

BB New Mexico firing at Paramushiro-jima
BB Pennsylvania firing at Kitachishima Fortress
Kitachishima Fortress firing at BB Pennsylvania
DMS Dorsey firing at Paramushiro-jima


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Pre-Invasion action off Uruppu-jima (130,52)

46 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-644
SC-638
SC-637
SC-632
AK Mercury

Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SC-644 fired at enemy troops
SC-638 fired at enemy troops
SC-637 fired at enemy troops
SC-632 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

TF 118 troops unloading over beach at Uruppu-jima, 130,52

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 203rd Cst AA Rgt /1
13 troops of a USA 43 Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 58th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /2


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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAP Klipfontein
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Uruppu-jima (130,52)

52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-644
SC-638
SC-637
SC-632
AK Mercury

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SC-644 fired at enemy troops
SC-638 fired at enemy troops
SC-637 fired at enemy troops
SC-632 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAP Klipfontein
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
B5N2 Kate x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
AP U.S. Grant, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LSI(L) Westralia, Bomb hits 2
CL Raleigh
xAK Kina II, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AP Leonard Wood

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Kina II


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Ketoi-jima at 134,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 8 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
LST-20
xAP Erinpura
xAP Sirsa
LCI-62

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
B5N2 Kate x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAP Aorangi, Bomb hits 1
xAP Princess Charlotte
DM Tracy

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 9 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 129,51

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAP Kelantan, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
xAP Maori, Bomb hits 10, and is sunk
SC-636, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC-704, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
2233 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 61 destroyed, 143 disabled
Engineers: 51 destroyed, 16 disabled
Vehicles lost 36 (25 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Massive explosion on xAP Maori
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Kelantan
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Maori


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
LSI(L) Westralia, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 27
B5N2 Kate x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh
AP U.S. Grant, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Southard, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 14

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(24 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 20 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Santa Isabel, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mariso

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 11 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 19 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shimushiri-jima at 132,51

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DMS Southard, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DMS Southard


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Invasion Support action off Uruppu-jima (130,52)

26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
SC-644
SC-638
SC-637
SC-632
AK Mercury

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SC-644 fired at enemy troops
SC-638 fired at enemy troops
SC-637 fired at enemy troops
SC-632 fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAP Klipfontein
DD Carmick

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1080 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Defending force 1229 troops, 91 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 7th SNLF
60th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
58th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /1
209th Field Artillery Battalion
203rd Cst AA Rgt /3
802nd Aviation Engr Bn /2


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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1518 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 33

Defending force 13235 troops, 249 guns, 318 vehicles, Assault Value = 523

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Kitachishima Fortress
37th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
18th Canadian Brigade
766th Tank Battalion
50th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
802nd Cmbt Engineer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
14th Canadian Brigade
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
Rifles of Canada Battalion
98th Field Artillery Battalion
165th Field Artillery Battalion


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Ground combat at Shimushiri-jima (132,51)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15775 troops, 211 guns, 160 vehicles, Assault Value = 429

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 190

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 190 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Shimushiri-jima !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
813th Aviation Engr Bn /2
14th Marine Defense Battalion
40th US Naval Construction Battalion
38th US Naval Construction Battalion
30th USN Special Construction Battalion
2/542nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion
1/592nd Boat&Shore Engineer Battalion
352nd Const Rgt /2


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Ground combat at Paramushiro-jima (137,47)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13235 troops, 249 guns, 318 vehicles, Assault Value = 523

Defending force 2543 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 241

Japanese adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 80 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Paramushiro-jima !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 destroyed
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
930 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (13 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th Canadian Brigade
802nd Cmbt Engineer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
18th Canadian Brigade
158th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
50th Cmbt Engineer Regiment
766th Tank Battalion
Rifles of Canada Battalion
98th Field Artillery Battalion
165th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
Kitachishima Fortress
37th JNAF AF Unit


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Ground combat at Onnekotan-jima (136,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 531 troops, 0 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 5

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Onnekotan-jima !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker:

Assaulting units:
42nd Construction Regiment
176th Construction Regiment
503rd Coast AA Regiment
3rd USN Naval Const Rgt /1


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Kitachishima Fortress Wiped Out at Paramushiro-jima by attrition!!!

37th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Paramushiro-jima by attrition!!!


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Post #: 763
Mar13.43: Etorofu was a mistake - 10/15/2020 7:35:35 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


Posts: 4249
Joined: 2/29/2012
From: Toronto and Lima
Status: offline
Mar3.43
The empire strike back! and in full anger; It was a big mistake to go after Etorofu as it is too close to Hokkaido

He unleashed wave after wave of LBA attacks, and the results were not pretty; my last USN fleet carrier, Lexington ended at heavy damage state, it is at risk
Of the 3 Sangamons available, one is at serious damage and the other 2 will sink next turn

So this is the end of 1943 offensives, I will consolidate the wins, maybe try localized, close invasions, but it is going to be a new navy, currently under construction, which will push the Japanese doors open



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3
G4M1 Betty x 26

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 67

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Chenango
BB Washington
CVE Suwannee, Torpedo hits 1
CV Lexington

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 22 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
29 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
14 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 13 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
12 planes vectored on to bombers



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 128,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12
G4M1 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 8 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Cleveland
CL Montpelier

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11
D3A1 Val x 24
D4Y1 Judy x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 16 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Chenango
AMC Worcestershire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 20 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
22 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (4 airborne, 1 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
15 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Sangamon, Torpedo hits 1
CA Quincy

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 67 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 4
D4Y1 Judy x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 7 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Sangamon

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 10 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4810 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
23 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes
13 planes vectored on to bombers



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4810 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 23 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CA Quincy, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Washington
CVE Sangamon
CVE Chenango

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (9 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 30100.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes



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Morning Air attack on 209th Field Artillery Battalion, at 130,52 (Uruppu-jima)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 70 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(12 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 30100.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes

Also attacking 203rd Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 209th Field Artillery Battalion ...
Also attacking 203rd Coast AA Regiment ...
Also attacking 209th Field Artillery Battalion ...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 131,52

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK West Cape

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
D3A1 Val x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
PC Ariadne
AK Crater

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 57 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 128,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Trenton

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
D4Y1 Judy x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Mercury, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14810.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 128,52

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AM Pursuit

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Raid is overhead

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 26
A6M5 Zero x 37
B5N2 Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Washington, Bomb hits 1
CA Quincy, Bomb hits 1
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 1
CV Lexington

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
2 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 14 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Suwannee


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 10 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
DD DeHaven
CL Cleveland

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3
D3A1 Val x 6
D4Y1 Judy x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 59 minutes
8 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 64 minutes
5 planes vectored on to bombers



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
B5N2 Kate x 8

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 8 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Suwannee, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Lexington, on fire
CVE Chenango, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Chenango


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4810 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Raid is overhead
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 5

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4810 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Raid is overhead



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
D3A1 Val x 20

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Washington, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-8 with F4F-4 Wildcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 4810 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-37 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
1 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-60 with F4F-4 Wildcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CV Lexington


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 128,52

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Trenton, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Santa Paula

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 3000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..



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RE: Mar13.43: Etorofu was a mistake - 10/15/2020 8:41:42 PM   
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Well that stinks, but you're still in great shape. You have enough of a foothold there, and down in the SRA, that you can make progress without CV support. Slower obviously, but in the Kuriles you have alot of base building to do anyway

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Did you ever see the movie A Bridge Too Far?

I heard that they might be coming out with a new version called An Island Too Far!

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Good one Ranger Joe

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Yes the losses are not too important, I have good chances of saving old Lex, and the Sangamons are good CVEs, but they are still CVEs

I might end losing Etorofu to counterstrike, but the rest are solid positions that won't be easy to recapture

Obviously the Sakhalin dream is over, at least for the short term, I still think I can make it hard for Japan to take resources from there, and the oil will be destroyed as soon as Paramushiro is repaired

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Don't destroy the oil, sink the tankers coming and going.


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Welllll….you gotta give your opponent a bone now and then.....makes it much more interesting!

Consolidation of your Kurile holdings may be challenging - you still in Artic conditions in March? Might add some damage if you bring your cripples to Aleutian ports.

You have good bases down DEI ways, you can maybe continue to push with some small steps, no?



Question....is it my imagination, it seems that when you pair CVs with CVEs in the same TF, there is more carnage vs if in separate TFs?

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Yes, the faster ships are more vulnerable because they travel at the speed of the slowest vessel.

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Welllll….you gotta give your opponent a bone now and then.....makes it much more interesting!

Consolidation of your Kurile holdings may be challenging - you still in Artic conditions in March? Might add some damage if you bring your cripples to Aleutian ports.

You have good bases down DEI ways, you can maybe continue to push with some small steps, no?



Question....is it my imagination, it seems that when you pair CVs with CVEs in the same TF, there is more carnage vs if in separate TFs?


I waited to assault in March specifically to avoid the winter conditions, as per the manual it goes from Nov to Feb, I hope it didn't change in a patch

I definitively will keep pushing in the DEI, but we are talking small scale and slow; grab an island here or there, build

And I didn't have a choice with regards to pairing the Sangamons to Lex; or better to say I saw more risk in keeping them separate because sometime TF1 reacts and TF2 won't and that I see as a worse problem



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If you put your carriers into Escort groups, they will not react towards an enemy fleet but you can still conduct carrier operations.

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Welllll….you gotta give your opponent a bone now and then.....makes it much more interesting!

Consolidation of your Kurile holdings may be challenging - you still in Artic conditions in March? Might add some damage if you bring your cripples to Aleutian ports.

You have good bases down DEI ways, you can maybe continue to push with some small steps, no?



Question....is it my imagination, it seems that when you pair CVs with CVEs in the same TF, there is more carnage vs if in separate TFs?

+1 I see the big problem is going to be unloading the current amphibs when the IJ have air superiority, ditto for bringing in reinforcements, including fighters (except maybe the Lightnings which have good range with drop tanks). It will be a while before large enough airfields can be built to accommodate HBs.

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Yes, the faster ships are more vulnerable because they travel at the speed of the slowest vessel.

Not exactly - Alfred has confirmed that each individual ship being attacked travels at its own full speed. But IRL it would be restricted in movement by having to stay close to the rest of the TF or the formation would be considered less effective because the fast ship is forced out of it to the margins. I imagine that is built into the algorithms somehow.

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If you put your carriers into Escort groups, they will not react towards an enemy fleet but you can still conduct carrier operations.

You still have the problem of one carrier group reacting and the other not.

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If you put your carriers into Escort groups, they will not react towards an enemy fleet but you can still conduct carrier operations.

You still have the problem of one carrier group reacting and the other not.


Not carrier escort groups, Escort TF as in the sick and dying.

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Yes, the faster ships are more vulnerable because they travel at the speed of the slowest vessel.

Not exactly - Alfred has confirmed that each individual ship being attacked travels at its own full speed. But IRL it would be restricted in movement by having to stay close to the rest of the TF or the formation would be considered less effective because the fast ship is forced out of it to the margins. I imagine that is built into the algorithms somehow.


Yes, the individual ships will break formation as needed but overall, but the TF moves at the speed of the slowest vessel.

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If you put your carriers into Escort groups, they will not react towards an enemy fleet but you can still conduct carrier operations.

You still have the problem of one carrier group reacting and the other not.


Not carrier escort groups, Escort TF as in the sick and dying.

Either way, the CV TF will react while the CVE TF will not - they no longer do mutual support - i.e. CAP is weaker over each TF.

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If you put your carriers into Escort groups, they will not react towards an enemy fleet but you can still conduct carrier operations.


a bit bordering exploit... so no I won't mind if my opponent do it, but I won't

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