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Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 1/7/2020 7:57:00 PM   
Kull


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Status: online 		Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai:

As a change of pace from working on Japanese merchant ships, I decided to work on an interesting class of Chinese Light Cruisers. Here's a brief description (largely taken from wikipedia): Ning Hai (#1) and her sister Ping Hai (#2) were based on the experimental Japanese cruiser Yūbari (although shorter in length), which combined a small size with heavy weaponry, but in an even smaller displacement of only 2,526 tons (vs. Yūbari's 2,890). As with Yūbari, Ning Hai has a single trunked smokestack (#3), and a tripod bridge arrangement. Her weaponry was comparable to ships with a larger displacement: six 14 cm/50 3rd Year Type naval guns mounted in three double gun turrets, six 8 cm/40 3rd Year Type naval guns, and dual 533-mm torpedo tubes. Ning Hai also had a small hangar for two seaplanes; two Aichi AB-3 biplanes, one bought from Japan and one built locally using a spare engine and domestic materials. It did not have an aircraft catapult, and the seaplanes were hoisted and deployed using a crane (#4). By contrast, Ping Hai did not have seaplane capability and thus the profiles (and armament) are different (#5).

Both ships were sunk by Japanese Naval Air in the Yangtze river in September 1937 (combinedfleet has an informative section on this), but soon after were refloated and sent to Japan for repairs (completed in 1938), following which they were designated as "coastal defense vessels" and were renamed Mikura (Ning Hai) and Mishima (Ping Hai). There they stayed until 1943 when they were refitted as Escorts (and renamed again), finally appearing in AE as Ioshima (Ning Hai) and Yasoshima (Ping Hai).

Anyway, I found it interesting that these warships exist at the start of the game, but aren't in the OOB (not a slam at the devs, there are definitely good reasons). I know they are in a few mods however, and perhaps others might want to include them in a personal mod, so I worked up shipsides for both vessels (#6 and #7). The bmps will be attached to a subsequent post as a downloadable zip file. Enjoy!





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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 1/7/2020 8:02:22 PM   
Kull


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Status: online 		Ning Hai & Ping Hai shipsides. The zip includes a total of six files: 2 with backgrounds, 2 shils, and a pair with blank backgrounds (so the player can use an alternate, if desired). Also, credit where it's due - in crafting these shipsides, I made use of the nice funnel present on the existing AE Yasoshima-class Escort (0076.bmp), which these ships historically converted to.

Edit: Updated the attachment to replace the old Ping Hai shipsides with the new ones (as described in Post #6 below)


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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 1/13/2020 6:12:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		nice art work

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 1/13/2020 7:13:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for doing this, if nothing else I learned something new and interesting today.

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 1/28/2020 7:06:16 PM   
el cid again

 

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Status: offline 		The later versions are considerably reworked and these are Escorts
armed for ASW work, no longer as sort of baby and unarmored cruisers.

In between, they are converted to rather impressive CLAA forms. This
could also be done on a grander scale in a non-strictly historical mod.
Thus replace the 5.5 inch mountings with more 5 inch mountings.

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 3/5/2020 1:00:57 PM   
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Status: online 		It's been kind of bugging me that the new shipsides had identical forward masts and superstructure, since they were really VERY different (see attachment). Anyway, that is now fixed and I've updated the download file in Post #2 above.




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AE-Japan Setup

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 7/15/2020 1:05:35 PM   
Cavalry Corp

 

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I would be interested to add both the ships to my mod, and I'm looking for others have you seen the very interesting Chikuma class CL? Would you be able to tell me the suggested specification as you have done all the hard work. I will add you into the credits in the readme. I'm also looking for some old obsolete Allied ships. Something a bit out of the ordinary. But not game changers.

Then I suppose all I need is the art files. My mod is a variant of the RA 8.0 ( which I have been playing for several years and find very good) it starts with more obsolete planes and ships but has a more rapid progression through technology. The idea is to allow players to have to work with old obsolete equipment before they get lots of new stuff. It's hypothetical but is based on the RA mod.

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 7/15/2020 1:58:59 PM   
Kull


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Status: online 		You are certainly welcome to use them! As for the older, obsolete ships, I haven't really looked at that to a great degree (with a few exceptions here and there). In general, I'm primarily focused on updating ships which appear in "vanilla AE" and DaBabes (the Chinese cruiser excursion was a rare journey outside those boundaries). For the Chikuma-class CL, here's a good resource with plans, pics, and specs.

You might also want to wade through Spooky's site as he's posted a ton of mods and art for every iteration of the game from UV to AE (including some WPO stuff). Unfortunately I find that much of the older work is just not up to the AE standard, so buyer beware.

If you can't find good "game art" for CL Chikuma, one option is to download the last version of CHS (it's on Spooky's site) and look for ML Tokiwa (0252.bmp - see attachment). With a reasonable amount of modification, you could turn that into an AE-caliber CL Chikuma shipside.




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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 7/15/2020 2:50:40 PM   
Cavalry Corp

 

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Ok very kind I assume the stats presented on wiki will be good enough?

Thanks for the other leads.

I am more of a player and this mod has taken about 100 time longer than expected but it as taken on a good dimension I believe. Your cruisers now have a home.

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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 7/15/2020 4:14:37 PM   
Kull


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Status: online 		The CL Chikuma page has a nice line drawing, and I was able to use that to create a shipside that is properly sized and should look OK in AE (see example below). I can't attach bmp files directly, but if you like the look, I can put it onto a background and attach it as a zip (along with the the corresponding shil).

Not my finest work, but then I didn't spend much time on it.




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RE: Chinese Light Cruisers Ping Hai & Ning Hai - 7/15/2020 5:11:42 PM   
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Many thanks for doing this it's much appreciated and yes I do like the look. Perhaps you could put them in the formats usable by the game that would be very nice. I will do all the rest.I really like these World War I style CL even though they obsolete they will provide some fun in the initial stages of the war. I find that trying to find uses for obsolete ships can be an interesting challenge. I would like to find a few for the allies as well. These are not intended to be game changers they are just to add atmosphere to the scenario. At the start of my scenario both sides have a lot of obsolete aircraft so it fits in well to add in some older ships.

I am in the process of adding the Ioshima (carries two planes) and the Yashoshima under their Japanese modifications. The armamanent on these ships are very light(main guns are just two 4.7 inch, seems like the Japanese did them in injustice compared to the Chinese) and I think I will give them a hypothetical upgrade or two later, more ASW and more AA. The ship I think in the game should be classed as a E (do you think?) So it can perform those kind of functions. Mainly I see it as an escort ship and ASW and protection. I think as my mod is hypothetical, even though I'm trying to keep it very realistic and going to add the ships in with a serious amount of damage and have them repair rather than put them in the build queue. I have a couple of CVE in the same position at the start intended to be scrapped and then cancelled. I don't think the Japanese player is going to build them if they arrive in 1944. Thank you very much again.

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CL Chikuma - 7/15/2020 7:09:35 PM   
Kull


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Status: online 		OK, here's a zip file with the CL Chikuma side and shil:

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RE: CL Chikuma - 7/15/2020 7:42:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah .... Excellent and thanks.

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RE: CL Chikuma - 7/16/2020 10:57:23 AM   
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A strange thing happened. I did all the legwork of calculating the Japanese conversions for these two cruisers into E ships. When I went to add them into the mod and it took quite some time to get everything ready I found that they are already there! The nice thing is that the statistics were almost the same as mine. This mod is RA (Reluctant Admiral), my mod is based upon this one because I have done a lot of playtesting of it and it is running very well. All I have done is slow down technology at the start of the war and increase it to the middle and end, with a few what if type ships over the original RA.Fundamentally that's it.

Anyway I used all the information and motivation from your side to bring me ships into the beginning of the war in a damaged state, gave them a couple of upgrades that makes them reasonable escort ships as the submarine menace emerges. The artwork in the mod is pretty much the Japanese conversion. Yours is obviously the earlier Chinese version.

The Chikuma art you did it looks just great in the game. These ships actually mostly survived to the beginning of the war. I have introduce them as something like reserve mothballed ships that can be bought out of retirement out of necessity just before they might be scrapped. They start the war obviously being very poor but later out of necessity they are upgraded to be reasonable , if fragile escort ships. Thank you for your contribution. If you have anything else or any other ship you think could fit in for the allies it would be appreciated. Again it's all about some of the early war chrome that I'm looking for nothing too powerful. The Chikuma class was perfect.

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