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The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 6:08:07 AM   
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Why did 9 people die at Dyatlov Pass in 1959? The BBC looks at this old mystery.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/SoLiOdJyCK/mystery_of_dyatlov_pass
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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 7:29:19 AM   
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...it was Russians

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 12:05:59 PM   
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I read a recent book on this

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 1:54:05 PM   
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Very interesting article thank you.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 3:57:22 PM   
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Skeptiod.com figured it was likely an avalanche.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 11:39:44 PM   
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Impossible for an avalanche. They were not camped on any real slope to speak of. They did not have to dig out the tent either. The tent was cut from the inside out. The best guess would have been the home made stove caught fire, but again the authorities found it packed up and no being used. The eyes and tongue being missing on some of them were from small animals. I have read every book on it, even the crazy ones. One of the latest theories is that the wind was at just the right speed and strength to make a weird sound that also effects human minds. Sort of like resonance. I forget the actual name. Something scared them enough to cut out of a perfectly good tent and run out into Siberia with only socks etc.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/1/2020 11:42:09 PM   
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That Josh Gates had an episode on his show recently
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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 12:39:32 AM   
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And he ruled out the Yeti and the Russian military.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 2:10:43 AM   
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And he ruled out the Yeti and the Russian military.

But what about Bigfoot and aliens?

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 10:47:28 AM   
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And he ruled out the Yeti and the Russian military.

= Putin apologist, Russian bot or useful idiot

Take you media 101 pick

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 8:41:33 PM   
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Trumps fault

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 9:11:36 PM   
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most interesting book of the several i've read

https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Mountain-Untold-Dyatlov-Incident-ebook/dp/B00CUSQOA0/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=Dyatlov+Pass&qid=1578003040&s=digital-text&sr=1-2

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/2/2020 11:08:57 PM   
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I would say they were attacked by the locals, the Mansi.


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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 1:05:18 AM   
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Donnie Eichars book was pretty thorough and he makes a good case for his theory (backed by science as possible) for panic/ extreme anxiety caused by a natural occurrence of infrasound. The only other plausible case has been made is that the hurricane force winds cause enough noise and possibly a small snow slide that the team, believing an imminent avalanche was approaching bailed out of there... Its a very compelling mystery, one that will never be truly solved.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 2:34:10 AM   
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... Its a very compelling mystery, one that will never be truly solved.

+1

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 3:06:38 AM   
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I would say they were attacked by the locals, the Mansi.

I've read a few books on this, and one of them proposed this as well...they had plausible explanations for the lack of footprints, etc.

The fascinating thing about this case is that every explanation that I've heard is contradicted by at least one inconvenient fact.

I've read about the "infrasound" as well, but don't recall anyone ever showing that such a thing actually exists, at least outside of a lab. So I'm not sure that it is much better than "aliens" as an explanation. If it does actually exist, would it really cause every member of the party to flee the tent in their underwear in the middle of a Russian winter night? Seems like it would affect some people more than others, perhaps some not at all? Moreover, it doesn't seem like such a freakish effect (if it exists at all) would persist for very long--and yet not only did they flee the tent, they stayed away from it for some time, some of them even starting a fire a couple of kilometers from the tent. Why?

The fact that many of the bodies had been crushed (as if in a car accident) is also rather strange...I haven't seen any real evidence that this could have been caused by all of the snow piled on them during the winter.

And of course the tongue being cut out is rather...creepy, but at least plausibly explained by animals...

Definitely not an avalanche, the tent wasn't even buried.

If you haven't read about this case, you absolutely need to do so, but you can kiss many hours goodbye as you go down the rabbit hole.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 3:31:37 AM   
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An interesting article - thanks for posting.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 7:06:47 AM   
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Yeti seems the most logical answer to me.

Interesting stuff and this is the first I've heard the story.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 11:01:25 AM   
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Was there ever a theory of the Soviets using LSD and somehow they decided to test it on these poor lost souls? That could explain some of the crazy killings and gruesome out comes.

A theory like that is not that far fetched, the CIA used the Hell's Angels to distribute mind altering drugs to the hippies at Woodstock in 1969.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 1:22:33 PM   
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Was there ever a theory of the Soviets using LSD and somehow they decided to test it on these poor lost souls?

I've not seen this suggested, and frankly it doesn't seem very plausible--if the Soviets wanted to test LSD on human subjects, seems like they would have done so with some of the many prisoners in the gulag or common criminals--all of whom were already removed from society and could be more closely observed--rather then picking a bunch of random students in the wilderness.

And while I'm not completely familiar with the effects of LSD, while it might explain their behavior, I'm not sure that its use would explain the crushing, etc., undergone by some of the bodies. Not to mention the fact that the victim's skin had turned a peculiar orangish hue. This is some weird ****...

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 2:22:35 PM   
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Interesting and very weird. My suspicions is still on the government.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 2:36:59 PM   
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Wow , so much sensationalistic stuff debunked by the original soviet investigation in 1959 is still being brought up as a “what about”

The injuries: the 4 that had broken bones fell down a ravine. ( not hard in hurricane force winds, dark mountain side)
Radiation on some of the bodies: in that era , gas lanterns often used thorium in the wicks...
Animal or tribal attacks: no tracks, plus forensics prove they exited their tent with knive slashes from the inside( no zippers, tent “ doors” secured by tying them closed). Nothing was stolen, the Mansi were peaceful people, no motive, no evidence.

We”ll never never know why they fled their tent in such haste, their belief that imminent death was approaching is the why, the what is the only real question.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 6:56:56 PM   
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As mentioned, the ravine fall was determined to give those who fell there injuries comparable to a good/bad car crash. The missing tongue and eyes, small animals snacking. I believe only one of the males clothes had higher than normal radiation levels, and where he worked in the school or job accounted for it.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 7:11:20 PM   
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Also a lot has been made up about 'dead mountain' and it being some sort of sacred Mansi place. In their language it doesn't mean dead it means nothing lives there so don't bother going there. It makes sense seeing as the are hunters and trappers. It also is not a sacred place, they just don't bother with it. The part that doesn't ever show up is a possible fight over jealousy?, but why would everyone leave the tent. I think a plausible explanation is that they all drank or ate an indigenous hallucinogenic. Either on purpose or accidentally.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 8:57:11 PM   
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How easy is it to determine if a tent is slashed open from the outside or the inside?

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 9:26:02 PM   
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Whitey Bulger participated in these experiments, look what happened. By the way, curse of oak island needs some competition. Good theories from everyone

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 11:14:24 PM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/3/2020 11:40:08 PM   
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How easy is it to determine if a tent is slashed open from the outside or the inside?

I don't think it is very hard, at least for a thick canvas tent, as was the case here.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/4/2020 12:22:58 AM   
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Explaining Dyatlov Pass is a litmus test for our personalities.

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RE: The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass - 1/5/2020 1:33:07 PM   
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Such an interesting mystery. Imagine the terror that these nine people experienced in the middle of a desolate Urals landscape that dreadful night in -40º temperatures and 60mph winds.

[Excerpts from the WIki article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident ]

Each member of the group was an experienced Grade II-hiker with ski tour experience, and would be receiving Grade III certification upon their return. At the time, this was the highest certification available in the Soviet Union, and required candidates to traverse 300 kilometers (190 mi).

So they weren't beginner's making rookie mistakes. They knew what they were doing. Yet, they 'got lost' and veered west and camped in an area undesirable for camping, especially in the weather conditions. Did any of the diaries or letters that they left behind confirm that they had gotten lost? Or maybe they were in fact moving away from or around something. A guess that they got lost is just as good as a guess that they were being followed. It is actually a very compelling position, that rather than camp in an area safer from the weather such as the woods, that they would rather camp in the open because they were more afraid of something in the woods. [However, as a camper myself I might rather stay out of the woods during 60mph winds in order to avoid getting clobbered by falling trees].

At the time the verdict was that the group members had all died because of a compelling natural force. The inquest officially ceased in May 1959 as a result of the absence of a guilty party. The files were sent to a secret archive.

So really no explanation and the files were secreted away. There was an active military base nearby [see the 'Military tests' section of the Wiki article], so this seems the most probable cause of the incident. A tragic military accident similar to the one where people were killed by an EMP test because they accidentally helicoptered over the wrong area, or where a plane was shot down accidentally by the navy due to coordinate/altitude confusion. Wrong place, wrong time.

Eight or nine sets of footprints, left by people who were wearing only socks or a single shoe or were even barefoot, could be followed, leading down towards the edge of a nearby woods ... only the hikers' footprints were visible ... all the footprints leading away from the tent and towards the woods were consistent with individuals who were walking at a normal pace.

All of this indicates that the nine were by themselves and of NOT SOUND MIND. What could make NINE experienced people make irrational life threatening decisions all at the same time? [It was reported that the investigation found no drugs]. One thing I've never seen mentioned in any report or investigation of the site is any evidence of a defense. No mention of protective weapons carried by any of the group. This is curious because evidence of weapons and/or defense could give an indication of being afraid of something, or if there is no such evidence then the indication is in fact that all nine lost their senses at or around the same time.

As a camper myself I once signed up for a 'winter certification' camping trip. This was at an abandoned quarry area nick-named 'Moon Base' where the winter weather conditions were typically rough with temps in the 20's and up to 30mph winds. Not near as severe as what the Dyatlov party experienced, but it gave an idea of how things are in that type of situation. There were some issues and disagreements, but nobody ended up outside at 3 in morning in their underwear. That is why I said at the top here, that I can't imagine the terror experienced that night.




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