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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 7:46:09 AM   
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Finally, I have a question;

The designs I've currently seen are nice, are all the 3D designs inspired by the 2D art from DW:U of the specific race designs for stations and starships, in order to keep with the DW aesthetic? I'm not familiar with Mortalan or Akdarian 2D designs so maybe other posters could weigh in on what we've aready seen.



It appears that the images are using updated designs for the graphics for DW2. You can look at the 2D designs for the Akdarian ships and bases at images/units/ships/family0 and the Mortalan ships/bases at images/units/ships/family18

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 8:52:34 AM   
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Hello Erik and everyone,

Thanks a lot for the work and the dream: DWU is the best game I've ever played. Ever. (Despite the interface...)

I'm glad with everything I've just read. The size of the ships' hull is the only thing I'm disappointed with. For example, the idea that my own imagination was the only limit to the size development of my stellar bases was so tremendous and exceptional in a video game. I understood why you decided to develop this new game option, but I have two questions about the size of the hulls:
- Will the updates allow us to upgrade the size of the last ships' hulls we will have researched?
- Will there be some megastructures ready for the players to obtain as soon as the game is released ("deathstar", "armed moon", etc.)?


Thanks again for everything and Merry Christmas!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 11:04:57 AM   
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Yep, seems to be the case, the Ackdarian designs seem to be the only correlation in design philosophy that seems to transfer over from the 2D sprite to something reminiscent in design in full 3D. For the Mortalan however, it's completely changed if your quote of ships/bases at images/units/ships/family18 is correct, they've changed from spheroidal, asymmetrical look to a more symmetrical and angular space station.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 1:38:09 PM   
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Keep in mind that DW2 will almost certainly be quite moddable, so for those of you who prefer fewer restrictions on ship size, I'm sure a mod for that will quickly appear.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:09:20 PM   
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Gameplay first, graphics second.


We agree with that too, but hopefully the nicer graphics and interface will help lessen frustration and increase immersion for new and old players alike.

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That being said, whoever designed that Ackdarian space port, give them a Christmas bonus!


The 3D models are a collaboration. The initial concepts are done by our Art Director, Richard Evans. I've attached the original concept to this post. We then have several dedicated 3D modelers for DW2 who work to take these concepts and turn them into a nice model with all the gameplay necessities (like support for all those external components).






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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:22:08 PM   
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I get that we have to research hull sizes and that's good, but are ship hulls still infinitely expandable via retrofitting? That was always one of the most "gamey" aspects of DW1. In real life once a vessel's hull has been built then it's fixed. Retrofitting can cram it with advanced weaponry and other technology until it becomes inconveniently overfull, but eventually you have to build a bigger new vessel and relegate the obsolescent one to a secondary theatre and eventually scrap it. Triremes didn't morph into Napoleonic ships of the line and on into Dreadnoughts while remaining the same original ships. It would be nice if DW2 recognised this reality.


At present, retrofits are by role, so if you start with say the base hull for that role and then research some larger specialized hulls you can retrofit to those, but you can't retrofit to a completely different "family" of hulls, so in effect no infinite retrofits. With that said, it is our hope that all roles will be useful throughout the game in DW2, so that given a progression of research, you may still have retrofitted versions of your early small ships in service alongside your newer bigger ships in the mid to late game.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:23:04 PM   
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Are there any plans for Megastructures? With the scale of the galaxy being what it is for DW2, Megastructures would be truly impressive to see/build. I know DWU had the Mega Shipyards buildable on planet but would be really cool to have it be an actual build-able project in space. Would introduce more interesting tactical/strategic value to these objects that could make for interesting scenarios


Sorry, but our plans for mega-structures are outside of what I can discuss at this point.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:26:18 PM   
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That’s awesome! Another question will we be able to customize the ships any other way besides components? To be able to tweak colors or such?


Color tweaking is not a thing at present, but it may be something we can look into if there is a demand for it. There is currently a huge amount of gameplay customization available for each ship and through the external components system, ships can also look different based on the components you choose for them.

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And will the weapons look differently the ship depending on the types of weapon in the slot?


Yes indeed.

These very early concept sketches may help explain what we are trying to achieve with external components:






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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:26:47 PM   
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Here's a somewhat closer look at the external components:






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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:28:03 PM   
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also I guess I had two questions... Can you finally build star bases that act like trade hubs out in space rather than having to use the planets as the hubs only?


In DW1 you could build stations out in space, could you please elaborate on your question a bit?



Yes you could build star bases out in space but, if I wanted to build a star base out close to resources and have the private sector ships use that star base to drop those resources off they would ignore my star base and still transport those resources to the planet trade ports. Will D2 have the ability to use star bases in this way?



Aha, understood. I can't discuss that now but will when we get to talking about the economy, resource and trade and such.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:28:52 PM   
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Did you think of it, to set up an official Distant Worlds Discord Server for General Interaction with the Community?
You could reach more People nowadays and stuff like Bug Reports, Mod Discussions and Patch Notes could be handled over there.


I'm sure we will as we get closer to release, but for now we're looking to keep things on the forum. With that said, if you all want to setup an unofficial community discord feel free.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:30:52 PM   
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Erik, can you talk about the reveal schedule with us? maybe in terms of what systems design features will be discussed/revealed in the first quarter of 2020, second, third etc.?


Not yet, but I expect we'll be able to give you a better idea of what's coming in the new year. We're not really in the marketing cycle yet as far as having a constant drumbeat of promotion, there's still too much development and testing to do fora that, but we wanted to be sure to give you a sneak peek and let you know that we will be done sometime in 2020.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:32:26 PM   
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One other little thing Erik - I think your on holiday but I'll ask anyway!
Should I continue to master DW Universe modding to give me an edge when DW2 comes out - or will DW universe be totally superseded and I'm wasting my time?


While DW2's files are quite different in most cases, understanding the different pieces of the game and how they fit together is certainly of value. Knowing the exact file structure will not be all that helpful but understanding all the pieces will.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:35:03 PM   
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The designs I've currently seen are nice, are all the 3D designs inspired by the 2D art from DW:U of the specific race designs for stations and starships, in order to keep with the DW aesthetic? I'm not familiar with Mortalan or Akdarian 2D designs so maybe other posters could weigh in on what we've aready seen.


In some respects they are influenced by it. For DW2 we did go back to the drawing board quite literally and with the help of Richard, our Art Director, decided on a general style and theme for each of the DW2 factions pretty early on. Then as we worked with the 3D modelers and character artist these became more fleshed out over time. I think folks who were very familiar with a faction in DW1 will find that the spirit and theme of that faction is intact in DW2, but they hopefully look much better and more unique and are more fully realized than in DW1.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:37:59 PM   
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Hello Erik and everyone,
Thanks a lot for the work and the dream: DWU is the best game I've ever played. Ever. (Despite the interface...)


Thank you!

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I'm glad with everything I've just read. The size of the ships' hull is the only thing I'm disappointed with. For example, the idea that my own imagination was the only limit to the size development of my stellar bases was so tremendous and exceptional in a video game. I understood why you decided to develop this new game option, but I have two questions about the size of the hulls:
- Will the updates allow us to upgrade the size of the last ships' hulls we will have researched?


I'm not entirely sure I understand the question, but in general the way it works is that as in DW1 your progression in Construction research allows you access to larger hulls for both ships and stations, as well as new hulls and in effect new roles. You can increase/retrofit previous ships and stations within certain limits as you go.

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- Will there be some megastructures ready for the players to obtain as soon as the game is released ("deathstar", "armed moon", etc.)?


I can't comment on these yet, unfortunately.

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Thanks again for everything and Merry Christmas!


To you and yours as well!


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 3:57:41 PM   
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Hi everyone,

I may not be posting much more until I am officially "back to work" on January 6th, but I wanted to leave you with a few more points regarding ship design and ship hulls, as there are a number of reasons that influenced our decision design-wise to go with ship hulls in DW2.

We believe the current system still allows for a lot of design flexibility, especially in the larger ships, but it is certainly a limitation compared to DW1's "no limits but size" ship design. The DW1 system also had some issues though.

The first consideration we had was balance, which is not a huge concern in a single-player game, but it does have an effect especially where the AI is concerned. The AI in DW2 is significantly smarter than the AI in DW1, but it's still not a human player. "Extreme" designs in DW1 were certainly one of the major weak points for the AI as it could not always correctly assess the strength of such designs or make good use of them itself. Allowing ship hulls and a more meaningful and realistic system of hulls and roles helps the AI be able to compete better with human ship design and in general in space combat. Balance is also a consideration should DW2 at any point in the future support multi-player and this system will help there as well.

A second consideration was the 3D side. We wanted to have a nice 3D environment with nice 3D ships that you could look at both far away and up close. The investment in 3D simply doesn't make sense if everything is going to shoot its weapons from a central point through the hull. As soon as you look at that from any relatively close distance, it's going to look bad. So you need some way to have external points for weapons and once you specify those, you need some kind of weapon mount or turret and ideally it should be able to rotate and fire in a way that looks realistic and cool. Then you need specific places for engines, maybe also things like defenses and sensors, etc. The end result of all this guides you towards a system that allows for the external visualization of component choices, which in turn guides you to component slots or design bays.

A third consideration is increasing the number of meaningful design choices for the player. This is something that differentiation between hulls and roles and specialization choices within those hulls and roles helps to enable. We wanted Escorts, Frigates, Destroyers, etc. to have a purpose in the mid and late game as well both on their own and within the context of a fleet. We also wanted you to have some choices to make within each hull and role about how to best achieve your design goals, without limiting you too strictly. One of the things we haven't discussed much yet are the changes in some component category sizes, resulting in components such as reactors, engines and shields among others realistically taking up a bit more space, as well as weapons coming in a larger variety of sizes, ranging from fighter and point defense weapons to standard weapons, medium weapons and heavy weapons. There's also variation in that each faction's hulls are somewhat different and each faction also has more unique technologies than in DW1 (more on that when we discuss research). For most hulls and ship roles, once you have a good bit of research done, there are a lot of choices to be made within each design bay category, within each hull and within each role about what you want your ships to do and whether a design is better suited to operate independently or is design to fill a particular role within a fleet.

Finally, while it's too early to discuss or commit to exactly what will be moddable for the initial release, our hope is as always that within our design there will be a combination of choices and options that will allow your preferred playstyle to be possible. If at the end of the day you still disagree with the direction we've taken, we're expect over the course of time to make more and more modding possible as well to allow DW2 to match everyone's wishes in the end.

Regards,

- Erik


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 4:27:25 PM   
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Merry Christmas Elliot and Erik....GP

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 4:40:50 PM   
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Merry Christmas Elliot and Erik....GP

I second this remark - and thank you for all the questions answered and all the details revealed!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 5:07:30 PM   
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Nice! Cheeky Christmas Eve post before your break for holiday...thank you, Erik!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 5:20:16 PM   
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The ship designs and art work is amazing. My only little concern is if my little old computer will be able to handle it.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/24/2019 6:28:45 PM   
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Thanks for the response Erik. Merry Christmas to all.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 4:26:46 AM   
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Balance is also a consideration should DW2 at any point in the future support multi-player and this system will help there as well.


Sad yet hopeful.

I like the external points for features (guns), but I still foresee blobs of ships fighting blobs of ships like DWU.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 1:35:59 PM   
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Thanks for the Christmas Eve gift, Erik. Happy holidays!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 2:08:24 PM   
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The concept art and the differences between various equipped hulls is awesome!!! as a long time SOTS fan this is exactly up my ally for a 4x ship management concept, so excited

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 3:00:50 PM   
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Balance is also a consideration should DW2 at any point in the future support multi-player and this system will help there as well.


Sad yet hopeful.

I like the external points for features (guns), but I still foresee blobs of ships fighting blobs of ships like DWU.

I would think that an unprovoked mention of multiplayer would raise your hope quite a bit. At least it has been in their mind when creating the foundations of the game

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 11:17:54 PM   
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Looks absolutely wonderful.

Two small questions - will ships, especially the larger ones, be able to target multiple targets at the same time and split their fire? It would look quite silly to see a mega dreadnaught with 1000 weapons on it being forced to focus fire on a tiny corvette, for example. :)

Additionally, will we have the ability to set up target prioritizations for turrets in the design menu, or is that something that would need to be added after launch? Ie. Ability to set a flak cannon to prioritize shooting missiles and then fighters second - this would be especially important for weapons that are more flexible.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 11:24:55 PM   
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Thanks for all the bits of information... I must say that I like all the things I hear so far, they really speak to what I would like to see in DW2.

The Hull system really seem to be much more sound than the very free system in DW1. I certainly agree that something being free does not necessarily give you more actual options for design.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/25/2019 11:31:29 PM   
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I would think that an unprovoked mention of multiplayer would raise your hope quite a bit. At least it has been in their mind when creating the foundations of the game


It sort of does, but not being included at launch and possibly added as a patch doesn't bode well in my mind.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/26/2019 12:08:57 AM   
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I would think that an unprovoked mention of multiplayer would raise your hope quite a bit. At least it has been in their mind when creating the foundations of the game


It sort of does, but not being included at launch and possibly added as a patch doesn't bode well in my mind.


I'm more satisfied that the game is balanced as a single player game first. When a game become balanced for MP they often become boring to me as everything needs to be perfectly balanced and fine which remove allot of fun role-playing and means to play sub optimal factions for fun.

As long as MP does not turn the game into a competition set I don't mind MP being added.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/26/2019 1:28:52 AM   
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Yeah it's an old argument that I lost a long time ago (SP and MP).

I just want a challenge. SP will never challenge like a person. I won't bring it up again I Promise.

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