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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 6:57:02 AM   
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About the star field shown on the screenshots: there are way too many stars. I hope you'll lower the number of stars to make the background more realistic.
It currently makes your background image look like it has "grain" on it. You should also make some stars more bright (a few of them).

Also, nebulas are a bit shy.. I hope you'll make them bigger and more colourful, more vivid.

I know that everything is subject to change, that this is an Alpha preview of the game, but I just wanted to share with you my first impressions about graphics.



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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 10:32:45 AM   
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Well it is mod-able in game pretty easy. Although I do hope they get rid of the gas cloud names that were not mod-able.

If you ever get to orbit as a commercial space tourist you will find out there is a lot of stars out there, out of the atmosphere! Nebulae are actually pretty boring looking at the optical wave links, pretty diffuse, just a little bit of color. It's the false color photographs that make them look so good!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 11:41:58 AM   
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Also, nebulas are a bit shy.. I hope you'll make them bigger and more colourful, more vivid.



Everything is so subjective...I happen to love the 'shy' nebulas. Gives a greater sense of being in the void of interstellar deep space. So many games over-do it on nebulas, making them all the colours of the rainbow. Guessing for fear of being 'boring'. Homeworld, for eg, is far too orange for me, it's off-putting!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 12:33:27 PM   
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Same goes for the cheap 3D, I prefer a more pleasing 2D than something that looks out of, dunno 2005? that wouldn't have been out of place from Space Empires 5


What's wrong with Space Empires (4/)5 models (or other games from circa [strike]2005[/strike] 2006 ?)
It's funny, wasn't Distant Worlds also criticized, when it came out in 2010 as "something that looks out of 1998" ?

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 1:22:18 PM   
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- Will there be new Components to increase Empire Influence over nearby Systems? (for Starbases)
- Any Plans for an Ammunition System (Railguns,Torpedoes,Missiles) to increase importance of Resupply Ships and Ammo Storage Components for Ships and Starbases?
- Will it be possible for Colonies to Revolt against Player or AI because of Government Type? (f.E Colony X wants a Socialist Revolution instead of living under a Monarchy of the Player/AI)
- Can Player/AI charge Fee for Trade with other Empires to steer Relations in a Economic Way? (f.E as Ackdarian set 5% on Humans and 20% on Gizurean in Empire Policies)
- Can Player/AI enslave Minorities (or worse) in the Empire to Boost Construction Speed in General or field cheap Slave Armies? (Would be a nice Mechanic for a Evil Race like Dhayut or Boskara)


Very interesting questions! Unfortunately, I can only answer one of them at this point. We do not track ammunition for ships. This idea was brought up very early on in development but we decided against it for various reasons, among which the fact that "fuel" is already used up faster in combat and effectively represents the cost of firing your weapons and the need to resupply well enough for our purposes. We may revisit this at some future date, but not for this release.

The other questions are in areas I simply can't discuss yet. I realize we've opened the flood gates with our preview, but we are still working on a few final features and we're not yet in beta, so there's really a lot we are not yet prepared to discuss. Feel free to fish, but be prepared for this type of reply.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 1:23:34 PM   
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About the star field shown on the screenshots: there are way too many stars. I hope you'll lower the number of stars to make the background more realistic.
It currently makes your background image look like it has "grain" on it. You should also make some stars more bright (a few of them).

Also, nebulas are a bit shy.. I hope you'll make them bigger and more colourful, more vivid.

I know that everything is subject to change, that this is an Alpha preview of the game, but I just wanted to share with you my first impressions about graphics.


Thanks, ultimately the final look on these will come together during testing, based on the feedback of customers like you. If we get sufficient feedback that folks don't like a particular part of the visuals, we'll change or improve that part.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 1:24:51 PM   
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It's funny, wasn't Distant Worlds also criticized, when it came out in 2010 as "something that looks out of 1998" ?



Well, this is true. It's probably not surprising and it's feedback we're used to getting because it's just not possible for a team our size to really be on the cutting edge graphically. With that said, I do think DW2 looks much better than DW1 did and I think once folks get a chance to play it they'll agree.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 1:41:33 PM   
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Gameplay first, graphics second.

That being said, whoever designed that Ackdarian space port, give them a Christmas bonus!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 2:43:59 PM   
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Everything is so subjective...I happen to love the 'shy' nebulas. Gives a greater sense of being in the void of interstellar deep space. So many games over-do it on nebulas, making them all the colours of the rainbow. Guessing for fear of being 'boring'. Homeworld, for eg, is far too orange for me, it's off-putting!



I also agree (to your opinion about the very colourful nebulas in some games).
What I would NOT like to see: https://www.google.com/search?q=nebulas&sxsrf=ACYBGNQaxzOZQPO2m8Xgl2W5nmPMtz_xkw:1576940671942&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUydTkgcfmAhWk4YUKHbSnCVEQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=2128&bih=1303

Examples of star fields and nebulas that I like:

From Celestial Command:
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/7217616/21bc2d0342e7a59b2d30958d4c6c74a40a286046.jpg
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/7217616/eaddf5c7d19dc7456860bfd1c4fb0e285eb1b35b.png
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steamcommunity/public/images/clans/7217616/854ee0d0fa09bb87e64c606dd419e0f26222d17d.png

From Stellaris:
https://www.wargamer.com/assets/BlogPosts/_resampled/ScaleWidthWzExNDBd/FillWzExNDAsNjAwXQ/screenshot3-f95d51a1fb530163ae99ff5b1a8dd526.jpg
https://i.redd.it/6gcrbofw18ly.jpg
https://i.redd.it/1l4cuwyisy541.jpg

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 3:28:43 PM   
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Yeah, I like all those examples too . Still quite subtle but there's a bit more oomph to them.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 3:28:52 PM   
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Too bright nebula can distract from gameplay indeed...

Homeworld gets more orange as in your quest you get closer to the center of the galaxy, so there's a good reason there !

Also Relic did an impressive job by making their ships legible both against a dark or light background !

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 4:34:46 PM   
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Very interesting questions! Unfortunately, I can only answer one of them at this point. We do not track ammunition for ships. This idea was brought up very early on in development but we decided against it for various reasons, among which the fact that "fuel" is already used up faster in combat and effectively represents the cost of firing your weapons and the need to resupply well enough for our purposes. We may revisit this at some future date, but not for this release.

The other questions are in areas I simply can't discuss yet. I realize we've opened the flood gates with our preview, but we are still working on a few final features and we're not yet in beta, so there's really a lot we are not yet prepared to discuss. Feel free to fish, but be prepared for this type of reply.



Thanks for the swift answer

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 5:45:35 PM   
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I get that we have to research hull sizes and that's good, but are ship hulls still infinitely expandable via retrofitting? That was always one of the most "gamey" aspects of DW1. In real life once a vessel's hull has been built then it's fixed. Retrofitting can cram it with advanced weaponry and other technology until it becomes inconveniently overfull, but eventually you have to build a bigger new vessel and relegate the obsolescent one to a secondary theatre and eventually scrap it. Triremes didn't morph into Napoleonic ships of the line and on into Dreadnoughts while remaining the same original ships. It would be nice if DW2 recognised this reality.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 6:40:55 PM   
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Hey Erik, love the quick responses to everyone's questions! We really appreciate it. Not sure if you'll be able to answer it because you've only gotten into the Ship Design but here goes.
Are there any plans for Megastructures? With the scale of the galaxy being what it is for DW2, Megastructures would be truly impressive to see/build. I know DWU had the Mega Shipyards buildable on planet but would be really cool to have it be an actual build-able project in space. Would introduce more interesting tactical/strategic value to these objects that could make for interesting scenarios

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 9:06:58 PM   
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Thank You very much for the update Erik! I am really looking forward to play this long missed next chapter in the Distant Worlds :

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 10:49:28 PM   
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That’s awesome! Another question will we be able to customize the ships any other way besides components? To be able to tweak colors or such?
And will the weapons look differently the ship depending on the types of weapon in the slot?

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/21/2019 11:01:50 PM   
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also I guess I had two questions... Can you finally build star bases that act like trade hubs out in space rather than having to use the planets as the hubs only?


In DW1 you could build stations out in space, could you please elaborate on your question a bit?



Yes you could build star bases out in space but, if I wanted to build a star base out close to resources and have the private sector ships use that star base to drop those resources off they would ignore my star base and still transport those resources to the planet trade ports. Will D2 have the ability to use star bases in this way?

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 4:03:38 AM   
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Hey Erik,

Did you think of it, to set up an official Distant Worlds Discord Server for General Interaction with the Community?
You could reach more People nowadays and stuff like Bug Reports, Mod Discussions and Patch Notes could be handled over there.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 8:16:34 AM   
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Hi Elliot,
Nice to hear from you again. I gotta say you haven't changed much in the last few years! You still look exactly the same, maybe a touch "greener".

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 8:39:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Katarkus87

Hey Erik,

Did you think of it, to set up an official Distant Worlds Discord Server for General Interaction with the Community?
You could reach more People nowadays and stuff like Bug Reports, Mod Discussions and Patch Notes could be handled over there.


This is something the devs should seriously consider, Discord is an excellent means to draw a community together towards any game project in real time.

It would also be a very wise method of allocating play testers, as you can set private sections of the discord purely to play testers etc who can report directly to the devs.


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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 8:46:44 AM   
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I second the idea to have a dedicated Discord server to discuss about the game.

To begin with, why not using the official Matrix Games Discord server ? https://discord.gg/dpyxJx

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 11:18:50 AM   
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Erik, can you talk about the reveal schedule with us? maybe in terms of what systems design features will be discussed/revealed in the first quarter of 2020, second, third etc.?

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 12:17:26 PM   
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Fwiw, I think it looks miles better than DW1. I'm surprised to see anyone complain about the look considering DW1 was functional at best, graphically.

Thanks for the info! Been waiting and waiting for this!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 1:04:12 PM   
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About the discussion on Nebula;

If you really think about it, DW1 and 2 are set in top down views of spiral arms, or slice of pies zoomed in on galaxies for irregular maps or clusters.

If we talk about the point of view that our camera is zooming in on a slice of a galaxy, or just a really really small spiral galaxy, wouldn't that mean that, from completely zoomed out state the nebula be basically tiny points on the map? AKA, the nebula now becomes PART of the playable area of the 3D galaxy in the case of DW2. I think the nebula system should be implemented in a way to dynamically change based on where the camera is, zoomed out all the way, it should appear as tiny points of interest (and depending on exposure settings, they can be vibrantly colored from afar, similar to supernova remnants and clouds in DW1) but when you zoom in on nearby systems right down into interplanetary space the texture of these nebula can then be baked into the background view as a diffuse and, subtle gas clouds which would then look like the examples of subtle nebula posted by forum posters in this thread.

As for the views when fully panned out of the galaxy? remember that your camera is now 'outside' of the galaxy, other galaxies should then, come into view from afar similar to the game spore. I know it's asking a lot but the whole thing would look like a scene out of space engine as you zoom out.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 3:29:04 PM   
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One other little thing Erik - I think your on holiday but I'll ask anyway!
Should I continue to master DW Universe modding to give me an edge when DW2 comes out - or will DW universe be totally superseded and I'm wasting my time?

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 8:27:52 PM   
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What is the difference beetween components and design bays?


A design bay is effectively a "slot" in the ship that accepts a component. Each Design bay has a type and a maximum size. Some design bays are also external, meaning they have a 3D Mesh associated with them and when a component is placed in that design bay, it actually appears on the ship (the ship's 3D model changes to show it). External bays thus also have a specific position. In some cases, such as weapons, these external design bays also have an arc within which they can fire and when that weapon fires, you will see it actually firing from that particular place on the ship where you put it.

Design bays (I also call them component slots) are divided into the following general categories.

Weapons (pretty much everything from point defense to long range heavy weapons)
Defenses (shields, armor and other handy defensive components)
Engines (engines and maneuvering thrusters)
Sensors (small and large and of various kinds)
Hangars (from docking bays to starfighter hangars)
General (pretty much everything else, including your reactors, life support, crew quarters, cargo bays, fuel cells, etc.)

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Erik, Sounds like it will be easier to mod with. Excellent....GP


Well GP, looks like we'll be getting the band back together!

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/22/2019 8:41:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


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What is the difference beetween components and design bays?


A design bay is effectively a "slot" in the ship that accepts a component. Each Design bay has a type and a maximum size. Some design bays are also external, meaning they have a 3D Mesh associated with them and when a component is placed in that design bay, it actually appears on the ship (the ship's 3D model changes to show it). External bays thus also have a specific position. In some cases, such as weapons, these external design bays also have an arc within which they can fire and when that weapon fires, you will see it actually firing from that particular place on the ship where you put it.

Design bays (I also call them component slots) are divided into the following general categories.

Weapons (pretty much everything from point defense to long range heavy weapons)
Defenses (shields, armor and other handy defensive components)
Engines (engines and maneuvering thrusters)
Sensors (small and large and of various kinds)
Hangars (from docking bays to starfighter hangars)
General (pretty much everything else, including your reactors, life support, crew quarters, cargo bays, fuel cells, etc.)

Regards,

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Erik, Sounds like it will be easier to mod with. Excellent....GP


Well GP, looks like we'll be getting the band back together!


Yes we will....GP

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/23/2019 1:52:53 PM   
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As you mention larger galaxies, DW1 had 1400 stars and 225 sectors (15x15). What would be the largest galaxy in DW2 ?


Well, I honestly can't tell you for sure yet as our final optimizations and performance tests are in the future. However, we've already tested 2000 stars with success in our non-optimized development build.

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Yep, this game might be real fun. Just reviewing source material to create a fairly good 3D starmap, 2000 stars is pretty close to 62 light years in all directions from Sol (around 51 G type stars). I thought it would have been more like 100 light years but at 100 LY there are around 14,000 stars. Lots of good databases now days for source material, all as accurate as science permits.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/23/2019 4:02:39 PM   
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Finally, I have a question;

The designs I've currently seen are nice, are all the 3D designs inspired by the 2D art from DW:U of the specific race designs for stations and starships, in order to keep with the DW aesthetic? I'm not familiar with Mortalan or Akdarian 2D designs so maybe other posters could weigh in on what we've aready seen.

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RE: Distant Worlds 2 Christmas Sneak Peek! - 12/23/2019 4:25:57 PM   
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Well, I can't help you - I got the game an immediately modded it to fit my hard sci-fi preference, never played a standard game with the races/shipsets that come bundled in it.

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