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Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/24/2019 8:21:37 PM   
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Saving a map as a .mal file doesn't seem to work: I've tried saving a map as a .mal file about twenty times, but nothing happens...no error is reported, but no file is created either. This is pretty weird, because I have several .mal files that I created last year. Has anyone else encountered this?
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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/24/2019 11:51:04 PM   
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I thought I read someplace that this was no longer going to be supported. It was all xml now. I could be wrong.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 12:44:56 AM   
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I thought I read someplace that this was no longer going to be supported. It was all xml now. I could be wrong.

hmm, thanks, interesting...you can in fact export maps as an xml file (.mml file); I've exported one but not re-imported to see if it works correctly... Maybe the .mal files I have from last year were created before the last patch, dunno...

I don't care if they allow saving maps via XML .mml file instead of .mal file, but it sure it be helpful if they'd remove the .mal option from the file menu in that case!



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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 11:32:04 AM   
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I don't care if they allow saving maps via XML .mml file instead of .mal file, but it sure it be helpful if they'd remove the .mal option from the file menu in that case!




Unfortunately this is a recurring problem. Maybe some day someone will do the right thing and turn this game over to someone who really cares.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 2:09:40 PM   
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Odd that they are adding new features like "hierarchy" (whatever that is) when basic stuff like this needs fixing... Hopefully hierarchy will be optional, because if the past is anything to go by, it will be buggy and won't be fixed for years, if ever.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 2:39:29 PM   
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Be careful, you two. Lobster might accuse you of bashing TOAW!!!

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 3:12:11 PM   
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Be careful, you two. Lobster might accuse you of bashing TOAW!!!


If you have a problem I suggest you seek out an anger management program instead of obsessing over it. This is a thread about a TOAW problem and it's roots. There has been more than one time where an obsolete function has been present in the drop down menus that has not been removed. Removing an obsolete menu item is a simple matter and not doing so would seem to demonstrate a lack of caring about how the game appears to a user. Needless to say it also sows confusion because it gives the appearance of a bug.

@76mmNot saying the .mal file function was removed for certain but I recall something being said. You'll have to ask Bob. But it isn't working for me either with the latest release version. I never discard old versions, just rename them. So I go back to the last version where something worked and use that. You gotta do what you gotta do.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 3:27:08 PM   
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My, my. Inject a little humor and you go into attack mode.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 3:45:20 PM   
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What is a .mal file? and what means "hierarchy"?


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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 4:52:25 PM   
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My, my. Inject a little humor and you go into attack mode.


When the average thread poster is being humorous this is usually the proper method: or even . However, considering your previous replies and my lack of mind reading abilities your response is reasonably taken only as a poke with a sharp stick. Just as your response above.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 4:57:48 PM   
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What is a .mal file? and what means "hierarchy"?




Hierarchy is nothing more than chain of command. A .mal file is a file of the map that used to be created with the 'Save Map As' item in the scenario editor under the File menu item. You could then load the map into the editor minus any units, events, etc.



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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 9:05:50 PM   
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Perhaps one chooses not to use such childish "whatever they ares"? Perhaps you surmise that I should be in a second childhood. I'm not. I will leave such childishness to your own imagination.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 9:36:35 PM   
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What is a .mal file? and what means "hierarchy"?




Hierarchy is nothing more than chain of command. A .mal file is a file of the map that used to be created with the 'Save Map As' item in the scenario editor under the File menu item. You could then load the map into the editor minus any units, events, etc.



Ah, ok, thanks!

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/25/2019 9:43:25 PM   
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Gentlemen, GENTLEMEN, I know it is a good sign when fans start slapping each other around when done in good fun,

but outright rancor is really a turn off, especially to new users.

Can we not be civil?

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 2:19:55 AM   
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Gentlemen, GENTLEMEN, I know it is a good sign when fans start slapping each other around when done in good fun,

but outright rancor is really a turn off, especially to new users.

Can we not be civil?


He attempted to hijack a thread I had about my scenario progress (which is probably in the wrong subforum) and I asked him not to so now he is having a tantrum. But yeah, I have nothing more to say about it.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 4:00:56 PM   
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Odd that they are adding new features like "hierarchy" (whatever that is) when basic stuff like this needs fixing... ...


Well, there are some bits of the game that are for certain fully functional, so that needs to be addressed, we cannot have bugs just in unecessary things like the editor.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 4:52:34 PM   
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Well, there are some bits of the game that are for certain fully functional, so that needs to be addressed, we cannot have bugs just in unecessary things like the editor.

Sorry, don't really understand what you mean. But for me, the editor is hardly "unnecessary"--editor features are a key feature for me when buying a game, and I generally won't buy one at all that does not have full editor. For many games I can say that I spend more time playing around with the editor than playing the game.

But my main point isn't that every single bug should be removed from the editor, but that it seems to me that low-hanging fruit--such as removing menu items that don't actually do anything--should be addressed much more quickly than it is.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 5:00:06 PM   
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I think perhaps he is being sarcastic.

BTW, if I recall correctly you can remove those things that no longer work yourself. Just edit EnglishGameText.xml and do a find for Save Map As. Remove it using a null string.

<MENU s="&File">
<I id="40011" t="0" s="&Open..." />
<I id="40012" t="0" s="&Close" />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40014" t="0" s="Save Scenario &As..." />
<I id="40028" t="0" s="&Dump Scenario As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40120" t="0" s="Open OO&B" />
<I id="40119" t="0" s="Sa&ve OOB As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40122" t="0" s="O&pen Map" />
<I id="40121" t="0" s="Save Map As&..." />
<I id="40195" t="0" s="Create &Map Image (BMP)" />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40239" t="0" s="O&pen Map(XML)" />
<I id="40238" t="0" s="Sa&ve Map(XML) As..." />
<I id="40242" t="0" s="O&pen Game(XML)" />
<I id="40241" t="0" s="Sa&ve Game(XML) As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40005" t="0" s="Go To &Game" />
</MENU>

Becomes

<MENU s="&File">
<I id="40011" t="0" s="&Open..." />
<I id="40012" t="0" s="&Close" />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40014" t="0" s="Save Scenario &As..." />
<I id="40028" t="0" s="&Dump Scenario As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40120" t="0" s="Open OO&B" />
<I id="40119" t="0" s="Sa&ve OOB As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40122" t="0" s="O&pen Map" />
<I id="40121" t="0" s="" />
<I id="40195" t="0" s="Create &Map Image (BMP)" />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40239" t="0" s="O&pen Map(XML)" />
<I id="40238" t="0" s="Sa&ve Map(XML) As..." />
<I id="40242" t="0" s="O&pen Game(XML)" />
<I id="40241" t="0" s="Sa&ve Game(XML) As..." />
<I id="0" t="2048" s="" />
<I id="40005" t="0" s="Go To &Game" />
</MENU>

Or something like that.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 5:13:35 PM   
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Excuse me, but could you kindly point out where in your "barbarossa at 2.5km" where I attempted to hijack your thread? This is really getting most amusing.

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Gentlemen, GENTLEMEN, I know it is a good sign when fans start slapping each other around when done in good fun,

but outright rancor is really a turn off, especially to new users.

Can we not be civil?


He attempted to hijack a thread I had about my scenario progress (which is probably in the wrong subforum) and I asked him not to so now he is having a tantrum. But yeah, I have nothing more to say about it.



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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 5:21:02 PM   
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Just to be clear, I did make a comment on August 23rd. My exact words were: "Lordy!. I doubt that I will live long enough to give it a try. Congratulations of such a mighty effort!"

Sounds like a very bad comment to make, eh?

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/26/2019 7:46:24 PM   
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I think perhaps he is being sarcastic.

Yeah, perhaps, I just didn't understand what he was saying...

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BTW, if I recall correctly you can remove those things that no longer work yourself. Just edit EnglishGameText.xml and do a find for Save Map As. Remove it using a null string.

Wow, you're just full of interesting tidbits, I had never seen/heard that of that trick before. Being able to edit game menus is...cool. Do they pass on all of this info along with the secret beta tester handshake?

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/27/2019 12:52:09 AM   
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I think perhaps he is being sarcastic.

Yeah, perhaps, I just didn't understand what he was saying...

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ORIGINAL: Lobster
BTW, if I recall correctly you can remove those things that no longer work yourself. Just edit EnglishGameText.xml and do a find for Save Map As. Remove it using a null string.

Wow, you're just full of interesting tidbits, I had never seen/heard that of that trick before. Being able to edit game menus is...cool. Do they pass on all of this info along with the secret beta tester handshake?


Back in TOAWIII days I wanted to see something from the game menu put into the editor menu. I was told I could do it myself and how to do it. Sometimes all you have to do is ask the right people I guess.

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RE: Saving map as .mal file broken? - 11/27/2019 1:29:47 PM   
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Gentlemen, GENTLEMEN, I know it is a good sign when fans start slapping each other around when done in good fun,

but outright rancor is really a turn off, especially to new users.

Can we not be civil?


He attempted to hijack a thread I had about my scenario progress (which is probably in the wrong subforum) and I asked him not to so now he is having a tantrum. But yeah, I have nothing more to say about it.


Sorry I confused you (DD696) with someone else in another thread (pz501) who started complaining about TOAWIV when there were already numerous threads for that purpose.

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