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Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:02:07 PM   
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I tried to play an old CMANO scenario in CMO and I got an invalid database error.
Is there a procedure to convert these scenarios to CMO?
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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:11:50 PM   
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I was just advised in Tech Support (by another user) to copy over db files from CMANO. That doesn't work very well for new players who have been told that there are hundreds of community scenarios to play along with the fact that I have to do file operations to get the game to work right.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:15:38 PM   
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I was just advised in Tech Support (by another user) to copy over db files from CMANO. That doesn't work very well for new players who have been told that there are hundreds of community scenarios to play along with the fact that I have to do file operations to get the game to work right.

To be clear, I'm not very happy with that solution. They really need to fix this complete CF.
They uploaded a bunch of files to Steam Workshop that wouldn't load into CMO because of DB versions, and the Community Scenario Pack hasn't even been updated for CMO *at all*. Still shows 1/5/2019, I guess.

If they were selling the software for 20 bucks, might be different...but they're not.
I just spent 90 bucks counting TacView, even with discounts, so I'd like a bit more care with things from the staff.


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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:23:36 PM   
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I've already copied the DB images and descriptions over from CMANO and I must say I'm uncomfortable
overwriting the entire database. Is there a way to do it via the editor?

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:33:29 PM   
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quote:

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I was just advised in Tech Support (by another user) to copy over db files from CMANO. That doesn't work very well for new players who have been told that there are hundreds of community scenarios to play along with the fact that I have to do file operations to get the game to work right.

To be clear, I'm not very happy with that solution. They really need to fix this complete CF.
They uploaded a bunch of files to Steam Workshop that wouldn't load into CMO because of DB versions, and the Community Scenario Pack hasn't even been updated for CMO *at all*. Still shows 1/5/2019, I guess.

If they were selling the software for 20 bucks, might be different...but they're not.
I just spent 90 bucks counting TacView, even with discounts, so I'd like a bit more care with things from the staff.



Maybe there is a misconception. The Community scenarios are not the responsibility of the developers. They were all (all 400+ of them) developed by users and distributed. They didn't come with C:MANO. To blame the developers for some of them not working is unfair.

To get the ones that don't to work will probably require the developers of those scenarios to do a little work and then have a "pack" compiled and added to over time, just as the current one has been. I would expect that will start happening. Unfortunately some of the scenario authors have kind of vanished, as has been evident when questions or issues come up with previous C:MANO updates. Maybe someone will adopt those.

I think "CF" was way over the top considering the above, but you're entitled to your opinion.


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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:37:15 PM   
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It has been acknowledged that they were missed.
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4717403# post7

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:46:33 PM   
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I guess I've been lucky. I haven't found any that don't work yet.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 10:53:35 PM   
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I guess I've been lucky. I haven't found any that don't work yet.

Several of the Northern and 'other' Fury scenarios are DB3000 470.

They said they'll get the DBs added in next patch. Copying DBs over *does not* work, by the way, just to correct the first poat. Workaround in Tech Support thread on the subject, if someone *must play* one of those today.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 11:04:07 PM   
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Glad to see we'll get some legacy support.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 11:04:25 PM   
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Maybe there is a misconception. The Community scenarios are not the responsibility of the developers. They were all (all 400+ of them) developed by users and distributed. They didn't come with C:MANO. To blame the developers for some of them not working is unfair.

To get the ones that don't to work will probably require the developers of those scenarios to do a little work and then have a "pack" compiled and added to over time, just as the current one has been. I would expect that will start happening. Unfortunately some of the scenario authors have kind of vanished, as has been evident when questions or issues come up with previous C:MANO updates. Maybe someone will adopt those.

I think "CF" was way over the top considering the above, but you're entitled to your opinion.



Well, if they hadn't used the community scenario pack to advertise compatibility with CMO, and also if a staff member hadn't uploaded the contents of said pack into the CMO Steam Workshop w/o testing compatibility of same...I would have given them a pass, as you said I should have done.

They're going to fix it, so that's fine. Just noting why I didn't give them a pass on the community scenario pack stuff. Community scenarios not in the pack and/or not uploaded into CMO's section of Steam Workshop do fit the 'not responsible for' description you noted, IMO.

EDIT: For example, go pull Caribbean Fury 1 from the CMO Steam Workshop, and try to load it into CMO. Look who uploaded it.
Again, they're going to fix it, I'm just pointing out why I thought it was important to not just 'give them a pass' on them.


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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 11:18:11 PM   
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Hi guys. Meroka37 who was the previous curator of the community scenario pack so I've volunteered to take over curating it. According to the excel file in the latest build all of the scenarios should be using DB476 which is included in CMO but there's been reports that not all of them are. It hasn't been updated since January so my first goal is going to be to get the pack updated with the scenarios that have been released in 2019 and ghet that sent off to the devs. After that I'll be working on writing a batch script that will allow me to batch update all of the scenarios but there will be over 460 scenarios so its going to take me a few days (I want to play the game to).


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ORIGINAL: mavfin
They're going to fix it, so that's fine. Just noting why I didn't give them a pass on the community scenario pack stuff. Community scenarios not in the pack and/or not uploaded into CMO's section of Steam Workshop do fit the 'not responsible for' description you noted, IMO.

EDIT: For example, go pull Caribbean Fury 1 from the CMO Steam Workshop, and try to load it into CMO. Look who uploaded it.
Again, they're going to fix it, I'm just pointing out why I thought it was important to not just 'give them a pass' on them.


The reason Baloogan uploaded it is because Meroka had disappeared and there was no one else to do it.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 11:33:24 PM   
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According to the excel file in the latest build all of the scenarios should be using DB476 which is included in CMO but there's been reports that not all of them are.


Yeah, Caribbean Fury I, for example, is DB3K 470. Several of the 'Fury' scenarios are. Others are fine.

Again, I would have let it pass if they weren't using the pack to advertise the compatibility. If they're going to market that as a selling point, they should probably at least take a look and test a bit. YMMV.

Thankfully, looks like all the DLCs got checked. They're all versions included in CMO.

And, yes, they're going to fix the issue, and I'm fine with it. I just take issue with being told "Well, it's not their fault!!!" Well, that would have been dandy, if they hadn't used that pack to advertise compatibility for CMO...

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/15/2019 11:59:44 PM   
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I posted this in the wrong place. How do I "rebuild" a CMANO scenario?
Do I just save it in the editor or is there more to it than that?
Sorry for the newb question.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 12:04:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kushan04

Hi guys. Meroka37 who was the previous curator of the community scenario pack so I've volunteered to take over curating it. According to the excel file in the latest build all of the scenarios should be using DB476 which is included in CMO but there's been reports that not all of them are. It hasn't been updated since January so my first goal is going to be to get the pack updated with the scenarios that have been released in 2019 and ghet that sent off to the devs. After that I'll be working on writing a batch script that will allow me to batch update all of the scenarios but there will be over 460 scenarios so its going to take me a few days (I want to play the game to).


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ORIGINAL: mavfin
They're going to fix it, so that's fine. Just noting why I didn't give them a pass on the community scenario pack stuff. Community scenarios not in the pack and/or not uploaded into CMO's section of Steam Workshop do fit the 'not responsible for' description you noted, IMO.

EDIT: For example, go pull Caribbean Fury 1 from the CMO Steam Workshop, and try to load it into CMO. Look who uploaded it.
Again, they're going to fix it, I'm just pointing out why I thought it was important to not just 'give them a pass' on them.


The reason Baloogan uploaded it is because Meroka had disappeared and there was no one else to do it.

Thanks for doing that.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 3:53:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kushan04

Hi guys. Meroka37 who was the previous curator of the community scenario pack so I've volunteered to take over curating it. According to the excel file in the latest build all of the scenarios should be using DB476 which is included in CMO but there's been reports that not all of them are. It hasn't been updated since January so my first goal is going to be to get the pack updated with the scenarios that have been released in 2019 and ghet that sent off to the devs. After that I'll be working on writing a batch script that will allow me to batch update all of the scenarios but there will be over 460 scenarios so its going to take me a few days (I want to play the game to).


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ORIGINAL: mavfin
They're going to fix it, so that's fine. Just noting why I didn't give them a pass on the community scenario pack stuff. Community scenarios not in the pack and/or not uploaded into CMO's section of Steam Workshop do fit the 'not responsible for' description you noted, IMO.

EDIT: For example, go pull Caribbean Fury 1 from the CMO Steam Workshop, and try to load it into CMO. Look who uploaded it.
Again, they're going to fix it, I'm just pointing out why I thought it was important to not just 'give them a pass' on them.


The reason Baloogan uploaded it is because Meroka had disappeared and there was no one else to do it.


whata guy......

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 11:14:56 AM   
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It seems some of the 'Fury' scenarios are not working, maybe because they are in a separate folder in the community pack and perhaps didn't get updated.

Baltic Fury 1 for sure, and I see Caribbean Fury listed here, maybe others.

Kushan - Didn't realize Meroka37 had moved on, thanks for stepping up to the plate on this. Is there anything I can do to help? When I checked out Baltic Fury I couldn't access it from CMO so thought I would go back to CMANO, update the DB and then try it in CMO. That should work and I can go through them all. I usually do that once a year to apply various fixes to them anyway, but not until the Xmas holidays. I assume you're working on a faster time-line so can try and do it sooner.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 11:47:05 AM   
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Baltic Fury 1 rebuilt with a couple of other fixes. So the process works, it will take me a solid day to go through them all, and I won't be able to commit to that for a couple weeks yet.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 2:49:30 PM   
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Baltic Fury 1 rebuilt with a couple of other fixes. So the process works, it will take me a solid day to go through them all, and I won't be able to commit to that for a couple weeks yet.

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Actually, go steal the DB3K_470 db file from CMANO and copy it into the CMO DB folder. Should let you load those. If others don't work, load them in CMANO and see what version they are, and copy over the needed DB file to CMO.

I tried it last night, and either I grabbed too many DB files, or maybe the process hung open, or something. Works this morning for me.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/16/2019 3:55:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

It seems some of the 'Fury' scenarios are not working, maybe because they are in a separate folder in the community pack and perhaps didn't get updated.

Baltic Fury 1 for sure, and I see Caribbean Fury listed here, maybe others.

Kushan - Didn't realize Meroka37 had moved on, thanks for stepping up to the plate on this. Is there anything I can do to help? When I checked out Baltic Fury I couldn't access it from CMO so thought I would go back to CMANO, update the DB and then try it in CMO. That should work and I can go through them all. I usually do that once a year to apply various fixes to them anyway, but not until the Xmas holidays. I assume you're working on a faster time-line so can try and do it sooner.

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I'm hoping he's just really busy.

Just sent off an updated pack to WS that has all the scenarios released this year in it. No database updates in that one. Updating everything is my next task.

I'll gladly take all the help I can get. I'll eventually add all the scenarios to an SBR but there's 466 scenarios in the latest pack and I'm more or less starting from scratch on making it. Even if all you have time for was add some of the NI scenarios to an SBR and send it to me would be helpful.

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RE: Converting CMANO scenarios to CMO? - 11/17/2019 1:37:57 AM   
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Uploaded a bunch of the older DB files here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ryPqpb9-hhPq_s1zgePvp_yEPYtXUMhm

To use them, simply unzip the file to your [CMO]\DB folder.

If you find any scenario that is not covered by those, please let us know and we'll investigate it separately.

Thanks.

works for me

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