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Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/10/2019 2:44:34 AM   
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Interesting report of the downing of one of the Japanese scouts near TF16 at Midway. The contemporaneous reports of the real participants are always more interesting.

http://midway42.org/ShowPDF.aspx?Page=/images/FBQactionreport060442.pdf

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/10/2019 3:03:08 AM   
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That link is a fail. Runtime error.

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/10/2019 10:07:35 AM   
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This one works http://midway42.org/images/FBQactionreport060442.pdf

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/10/2019 12:01:18 PM   
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Interesting read. Thanks for sharing....GP

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/11/2019 2:09:51 AM   
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Ditto on the thanks.
Nice to see the reporting officer made mention of the machinist gunners as part of his "Wingman" element. In most official communiqués I have read the Officers are mentioned but never the crewmen.

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/11/2019 3:12:20 AM   
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quote:

Nice to see the reporting officer made mention of the machinist gunners as part of his "Wingman" element. In most official communiqués I have read the Officers are mentioned but never the crewmen


At the time of Midway there were many enlisted pilots: the two individuals mentioned were in fact wingmen rather than crewmen.

In 1948 it was determined that all further pilots in the USN/USMC/USCG would be officers (all went to the same basic flight training at NAS Pensacola).

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/11/2019 10:49:43 AM   
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I had no idea that any of the recce birds were shot down at Midway. And the pilot not only gives kudos to the rest of his flight, he gives kudos to the IJN crew. Class act.

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/11/2019 11:06:03 AM   
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There were no crewmen but wingmen, aircraft is an F4.

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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/11/2019 11:37:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fcooke

I had no idea that any of the recce birds were shot down at Midway. And the pilot not only gives kudos to the rest of his flight, he gives kudos to the IJN crew. Class act.

Lundstrom in "First Team" also describes the combat and you can get an idea as to why that Japanese crew were given kudos:-

The Tone No. 3 was not as fortunate. That aircraft was a Nakajima E8N2 Type 95 reconnaissance floatplane [DAVE] of the kind encountered at Wake in February and at Lae– Salamaua on 10 March. An antiquated, open-cockpit biplane sporting one large main float, it nevertheless was highly maneuverable, especially when flown by a good man. The Tone No. 3’ s pilot was one Lieut. (jg) Hasegawa, and he was plenty good. Hasegawa evidently searched the seas around the Yorktown. Dow pinpointed him on the screen around 1615 and alerted VF-6 sections led by Mehle and Quady. He told them to arrow 290 degrees out to 20 miles. Ten minutes later he added “Red 1” (Gray) to the chase. At 1626, Gray happened to sight two aircraft ahead and queried Dow as to whether they might be bandits. The FDO responded by rounding up more fighters, including the entire Blue patrol (now down to eight F4Fs). Evidently he thought a Japanese strike group might be lurking out there.

Mehle alleviated Dow’s fears at 1629, when he sang out: "This is Red 13. Bogey is Jap single seat floatplane. We will get him. He is about 5000 feet over me. I will get him this run."

Perhaps a half dozen Grummans had tackled the lone Nakajima, but Hasegawa was no easy target. Utilizing his aircraft’s short turning radius and other tricks, he evaded VF-6’ s lunges no matter what attack they made. Early in the action, Gray’s guns jammed on his first pass, and he pulled off to clear them. Relentlessly chasing the Japanese were Quady and two NAPs, Mach. Sumrall and Mach. Achten— both veterans of Fighting Two. Together they made four firing passes on the nimble floatplane before Quady worked his way underneath and shot up into the float. Owing to negative G, Quady’s guns malfunctioned, and Hasegawa dived onto his tail. That was the opening Sumrall and Achten needed. They finally got a good shot, and at 1633 they flamed the floatplane. Hasegawa and his gunner were killed.


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RE: Death of a "snooper" at Midway - 11/12/2019 9:20:25 AM   
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Now I feel really old.....I own and have read that book......

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