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Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/28/2019 9:08:36 PM   
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I just came across a reference to a study made by Italian Navy after armistice(1943) to send these 2 battleships to fight Japan:

Allied radars.
artillery and 90mm DP guns linked to allied build radar directors.
20 quadruple Bofors probably replacing the 37mm Breda, 1500 rounds per tube.

in the end only the destroyer Carabiniere was employed in Indian Ocean as Aircraft Carrier escort ship and cruisers in South Africa/Freetown.
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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 6:34:34 AM   
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According to Bagnasco and de Toro:

Italy declared war on Japan in July 1945 and 5 days later the defence committee held in depth discussions on what form Italian participation should take. The two remaining Littorios would be the vanguard of a naval force to include up to 7-8 cruisers, 9 destroyers, 6 torpedo boats, 10-12 submarines and assault units including the San Marco Naval Infantry Regiment.

However, such a force would mean a major economic effort, not to mention a timescale of 9-12 months for the Littorios to be prepared and to undergo:
- Installing voice comms provided by the Allies
- Strengthening AA defences
- increasing range
- improving sea-keeping qualities (more of an issue for the smaller ships - some Italian ships proved remarkably lightweight and indeed two destroyers were sunk after the 2nd Battle of Sirte due to a storm)
- installation of modern radar, sonar and other systems

There would then be a training and work up period, meaning that an Italian Fleet would not be ready before the end of 1946.

There was also the political aspect to consider. The Allies were less than keen on having the Italians in the main theatre of war (there had been a body within the USN that didn't want the BPF there previously).

Ultimately the Allies did not even want the Italians in the secondary, Indian Ocean theatre - except for a few minor units and this subject wasn't even considered at Potsdam by the big three.

The dropping of Little Boy and Fat Man made the subject moot in any case.



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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 12:32:27 PM   
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July 45 is a bit too late for the Italian BBs

even without knowledge of the A-bomb, there were enough allied BBs for the 2 invasions expected on late 45 (Olympic) and early 46 (Coronet)

Best use for those Italian BBs, would be atomic bomb testing

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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 12:39:57 PM   
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However not the oldest ships VV being lauched in later 1937...so still usefull with air superiority.

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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 2:31:13 PM   
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They were also notoriously short-legged in the fuel dept.

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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 3:17:19 PM   
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Don't need much fuel to play in the Med. I thought they were generally believed to be a good design.

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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/29/2019 5:01:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

However not the oldest ships VV being lauched in later 1937...so still usefull with air superiority.
warspite1

The AA armament in 1945 of any battleship laid down - even as late as 1937 - is going to bear absolutely no relationship with what it was designed with


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RE: Littorio(Italia), Vittorio Veneto for Pacific War - 10/30/2019 2:21:23 AM   
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Just mostly to point the Bofors complement for some that wanted to put them in some mod.

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