From: Third rock from the Sun.
So no one knows how to take Kronstadt?
Lobster are you making fun or saying that the Siberian divisions are unjustly credited with stopping the Germans?
The myth goes like this:
Stalin learned from his spy chief in Japan, Richard Sorge, that the Japanese had no intention of attacking the USSR. So the divisions east of the Urals were released from October to November in time to stop the Germans in front of Moscow.
Now for the historic facts. Only 14 divisions were transferred from east to west. The 24th Army with it's 6 divisions were already in the process of being moved west and were concentrating west of Moscow before the invasion even took place. These divisions were either gutted or destroyed before Typhoon even took place. The 2 Tank and 1 Mech division had few Siberian personnel. To make matters worse they didn't even start forming until March/April 1941. 3 other Rifle Divisions were sent to Leningrad. Only 6 could even remotely be considered to be deployed against AGC. Only 2 of these had Siberian personnel and then only part of them, not the whole division. But according to the myth the Germans encountered Siberians all along the front. In fact, it would be more fitting to talk about the Siberians in front of Leningrad.
The whole thing is a myth from top to bottom. Timing, numbers, that the personnel were Siberian and combat performance.
26 Rifle formed in Far East MD and sent to NW Front September.
21 Rifle formed in Siberia MD and sent to 7 Sep Army September. (Majority Siberians)
114 Rifle formed in Transbaikal MD and sent to 7 Sep Army September.
92 Rifle formed in Far East MD and sent to 4 Sep Army October.
65 Rifle formed in Transbaikal MD and sent to 4 Army November.
32 Rifle formed in Volga/Siberian MD and sent to 5 Army October. (Majority Siberians)
93 Rifle formed in Siberia MD and sent to 43 Army October. (Majority Siberians)
78 Rifle formed in Far East MD and sent to 16 Army October.
238 Rifle formed in Central Asia MD and sent to 49 Army October.
60 Tank formed in Far East MD and sent to 4 Sep Army in October.
58 Tank formed in Far East MD and sent to 16 Army October.
82 Mech formed in Transbaikal MD and sent to 5 Army November.
18 Mtn Cav formed in Central Asia MD and sent to 30 Army November.
20 Mtn Cav formed in Central Asia MD and sent to 16 Army November.
It wasn't Siberians that defeated Barbarossa. It was the newly formed 182 Rifle Divisions, 43 Militia Divisions, 8 Tank Divisions, 3 Mech Divisions, 50 Cavalry Divisions, 62 Tank Brigades, 55 Rifle Brigades, 32 Naval Brigades, 41 Armies, 11 Fronts and a host of newly formed artillery, anti aircraft, anti tank, rocket, engineer and a cast of millions. That's what defeated Barbarossa.
< Message edited by Lobster -- 10/27/2019 9:00:37 PM >