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RE: Battle of Colombo - 10/16/2019 3:50:07 AM   
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RE: Battle of Colombo - 10/16/2019 11:19:04 AM   
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Not really I did too good a job when I helped the AI

Ceylon is in serious trouble most of my Bdes have been hammered by arty to the point of ineffectiveness I don’t see how Colombo will last more than another month I have best part of 4 wrecked Divisions trying to hold on I have air superiority over Colombo itself and plenty of supplies but my forts are gone and the pounding is every day

May have to try an evacuation under fire I genuinely don’t think I can hold unless I can bring in 2 fresh Divs minimum

NZ north island I have them contained but supply levels are dropping and they have 3 full Divisions on the Hamilton front and another 2 plus at New Plymouth and Palmerston North

South Island is getting cleaned up as is the SLOC to New Zealand

Australia my Armour is ready to counter attack out of Alice Springs and retake the North

Imphal/Assam under massive pressure I am not sure I can hold

Overall struggling to even contemplate counterattacks whilst under this much pressure

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RE: Battle of NZ - 10/16/2019 3:52:27 PM   
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Summary of what I am facing after my tinkering !!

New Zealand 1st I am clearing the south island so focussing on north island only

3 Japanese Divs at Wanganui 4 more at Hamilton and my supplies on North Island are burning fast !!!

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Ground combat at Wanganui (113,189)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 23630 troops, 204 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 621

Defending force 21929 troops, 656 guns, 397 vehicles, Assault Value = 550

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
120th Ind.Mixed Brigade
53rd Division
123rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
8th Ind.Tank Brigade
54th Division
68th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Defending units:
Manawatu's (Mtd) Regiment
2nd Marine Division
1st NZ Brigade
2nd NZ Brigade
197th Coast AA Regiment
115th USAAF Base Force
4th Marine Defense Battalion
96th Coast AA Regiment
208th Coast AA Regiment
131st Field Artillery Battalion


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Ground combat at Hamilton (115,187)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 37112 troops, 485 guns, 107 vehicles, Assault Value = 737

Defending force 22315 troops, 282 guns, 820 vehicles, Assault Value = 675

Japanese ground losses:
342 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Division
23rd Division
1st Guards Division
38th Division

Defending units:
Nth Auckland (Mtd) Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
14th NZ Brigade
1st Army Tank Brigade
Well'n's East (Mtd) Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
Q Alexandra's (Mtd) Regiment
8th NZ Brigade
Gisborne Base Force
2nd Marine Defense Battalion
134th USA Base Force
147th Field Artillery Regiment
33rd Medium Regiment
808th Engineer Aviation Battalion
32nd Aviation Base Force
206th Coast AA Regiment
24th NZ Pioneer Coy



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RE: Battle of NZ - 10/16/2019 3:53:47 PM   
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Ceylon !!!!!

My major problem is the arty they are destroying 20 - 30 sections per turn from Arty only and CV's TF roam the bay of Bengal every Fighter in India is going to try and support an evac under fire as they are killing me

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Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42240 troops, 700 guns, 203 vehicles, Assault Value = 832

Defending force 66186 troops, 839 guns, 1358 vehicles, Assault Value = 757

Japanese adjusted assault: 185

Allied adjusted defense: 691

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4346 casualties reported
Squads: 139 destroyed, 66 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled

Allied ground losses:
957 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 20 (10 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (16 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
131st Division
60th Ind.Mixed Brigade
320th Division
25th Division
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
59th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
321st Division
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
25th Ind. Engineer Regiment
10th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Ind. Engineer Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
21st Army
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th JNAF AF Unit
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1

Defending units:
45th Indian Brigade
6th KNIL Regiment
18th British Division
9th Indian Division
99th Indian Brigade
98th Indian Brigade
4th KNIL Regiment
32nd Army Tank Brigade
Eastern Fleet
23rd AA Bde
Ceylon Base Force
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
6th Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
22nd Light AA Regiment
Ceylon Command
1 ML-KNIL Aviation
44th Indian Brigade
35th Light AA Regiment
13th Indian Light AA Regiment
Batavia Base Force
Colombo Fortress
46th Indian Brigade
RAF 222 Group Wing
224 Group RAF
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
48th Light AA Regiment
222 Group RAF
100th Indian Brigade


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RE: Battle of NZ - 10/16/2019 3:54:21 PM   
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Australia !!!!

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Ground combat at Normanton (86,138)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22071 troops, 330 guns, 33 vehicles, Assault Value = 1153

Defending force 27089 troops, 453 guns, 475 vehicles, Assault Value = 801

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 61

Allied adjusted defense: 2761

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 45 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3833 casualties reported
Squads: 111 destroyed, 32 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 20 (14 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
11th Division
80th Tank Division
79th Tank Division
88th Infantry Brigade
48th Div /14
18th RF Gun Brigade

Defending units:
5th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
1st Australian Division
51st Highland Division
II Australian Corps
2nd RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment


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Ground combat at Cairns (92,140)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4647 troops, 88 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 495

Defending force 12773 troops, 125 guns, 135 vehicles, Assault Value = 403

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
144th Division
88th Infantry Division

Defending units:
4th Australian Division
7th RAA Coastal Artillery Regiment
13th RAAF Base Force
15th RAAF Base Force
A/B Battery Heavy Coastal Artillery Regiment


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Ground combat at Geraldton (49,141)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24381 troops, 296 guns, 382 vehicles, Assault Value = 845

Defending force 3176 troops, 32 guns, 122 vehicles, Assault Value = 86

Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Australian Division
Geraldton Fortress
13th Australian Brigade
11th Indian Division
3rd RAN Base Force
2nd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
Ankei SNLF
10th Tank Regiment


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RE: Battle of NZ - 10/16/2019 3:54:32 PM   
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India


Ground combat at Imphal (60,40)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 46468 troops, 594 guns, 875 vehicles, Assault Value = 1246

Defending force 30700 troops, 537 guns, 814 vehicles, Assault Value = 852

Japanese ground losses:
740 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Division
6th Guards Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
30th Recon Regiment
18th Division
56th Division
Guards Tank Division

Defending units:
45th Recce Regiment
23rd British Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
7th Armoured Brigade
16th British Brigade
70th British Division
17th Indian Division
811th Engineer Aviation Battalion
Burma Corps
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
RAF 221 Group Base Force



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COLOMBO FALLS - 10/16/2019 4:19:24 PM   
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I had managed through desperate means the evac all but 20000 of the garrison but even so......this is a monumental disaster

Ground combat at Colombo (29,48)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 50177 troops, 863 guns, 218 vehicles, Assault Value = 863

Defending force 29376 troops, 336 guns, 572 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Japanese adjusted assault: 579

Allied adjusted defense: 166

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Colombo !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1829 casualties reported
Squads: 33 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 68 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 38 (27 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (5 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23335 casualties reported
Squads: 263 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3413 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 106 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 232 (232 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 321 (321 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 16

Assaulting units:
60th Ind.Mixed Brigade
25th Ind. Engineer Regiment
131st Division
59th Ind.Mixed Brigade
25th Division
321st Division
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
320th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Mortar Brigade
1st Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
21st Army
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th JNAF AF Unit
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1

Defending units:
Colombo Fortress
32nd Army Tank Brigade
222 Group RAF
35th Light AA Regiment
Ceylon Command
1 ML-KNIL Aviation
Batavia Base Force
2nd Ceylon H AA Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Light AA Regiment
Ceylon Base Force
9th Indian Division
23rd AA Bde
RAF 222 Group Wing
Malaya Army
Eastern Fleet /9

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/16/2019 5:50:06 PM   
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When is the Afrika Korps showing up in Karachi?

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/17/2019 9:11:12 AM   
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They don’t need it !!!

I have been kicked out of Ceylon which I am still shocked by

Imphal is under huge pressure

North Island NZ is under huge pressure with my Army split in 2 at Auckland and Palmerston North

Australia I just attacked Tennant Creek I took the base but 2 days later had to pull my armour out ahead of a Japanese Counter attacks

USN has retaken Tahiti and is about to retake Johnson Island and the Marquesas



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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/17/2019 9:13:01 AM   
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I am actually not sure why I am fighting so hard for Imphal I think in this game an overland attack into North Burma is a pipe dream

I need to fight in places I can isolate

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 3:17:25 AM   
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Thoughts about the scen so far.

Overland into Burma from India is all about supply; can you push enough into Burma.
Then, with the opposing forces you have created, it becomes whether you can get enough force into theatre. As you note, I'm not sure you can as the IJ have much better LOC and much better forces than the Indians. I would think instead of forcing in, just bottle it up and force the IJ to attempt landings in India where you have the advantage in LOC.

Ceylon is all about being able to isolate it. Whoever has the bigger/badder navy will win. Losing Ceylon isn't great, but I don't think the AI can take advantage of it as a player would. So, I wouldn't be too worked up about it. As long as the IJ Navy can control the Indian Ocean, Ceylon is theirs, right? Cede that, and work on driving their landings along the coast back into the sea. Eventually, late '43 arrives along with the USN and you can turn the tables.

New Zealand can't be saved. The All-Blacks are going to have to hide up in the hills for a year or so. I can't see getting enough there soon enough to stop it.

OZ looks to be the real challenge. Melborne to Sydney cannot fall, but keeping it intact looks tough and that is where I would put all my effort. I don't think Darwin nor Perth can be held, but need to trade space for time. If Perth can be held even into June 42, I think you can get enough supply and assets in place to hold OZ until late '42 when the USN attacks from Cape Town. This won't be easy, those raiders you have cooked up are tough and everywhere. A lot of ships will be lost trying to smuggle supply/fuel into OZ in '42 from the Cape. Anyway, late '42 arrives and I'm thinking a mega convoy (series of convoys) escorted by the full USN. At least 6 ID's, all the 4E's that can move, all the fighters that can move … etc. The goal, take Perth back and open the LOC to the Cape. Once that is back open, OZ is safe.

Then its about re-taking everything lost. NZ would likely be first for me as it open up the LOC direct from the West Coast. And then resolve India etc.

You've setup a good, nasty scenario here. Enough distractions occur that it dilutes what little strength the allies might have throughout early '42 allowing the AI to advance almost unimpeded. PI, DEI, NZ, North OZ, Burma, Ceylon … yeah, you've got the AI really setup to accomplish most of this by mid-42. Great job!!!


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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 3:28:32 AM   
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Thinking about it, another way to go is to say "Forget y'all, I'm goin' huntin'!" and instead of rescuing OZ in late '42, go straight to Hokkaido in mid '43 and start shutting down the economy. You have to wait until you have Corsairs and 'Cats to take Hokkaido, and then you will need 'Bolts to help hold it. Once you land in Hokkaido in '43, I don't think the AI can eject you.

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 11:15:56 AM   
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I am thinking of restarting I am now at end of November and I have identified a lot of AI improvements

Nothing that’s a show stopper so wouldn’t impact on games in progress but a few nice improvements that I may want to process and restart

I am also.increasingly pissed off by not being able to afford to set my Corps up properly through lack of PP !!

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 6:27:27 PM   
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Andy, I restarted on version 5 doing 1 day turns on Hard with no goodies or PPs for the Allied forces. I only allowed naval forces at sea to plot moves and thus used the non-Historical Start. I'm up to April 13th.

My game played out differently than yours, which I think was 1 version later. Midway did not fall at all, don't know why. Bad die roll on landing?. At Johnson Island I was planning on joining up my forces, so I stopped the seizure of that island by taking out forces landing on Dec 8th. I also held on to Hilo, by sending Amphibious and Surface Forces there on December 8th.

Also, I lost no BBs in the pearl harbor attack. Either luck or something different in v5?

I have carefully read the intelligence reports and met several landings with small cruiser forces. In the south pacific that slowed the capture of Fiji and Nomea. I abandoned PM and starting relocating forces on turn one. Moved these to Portland Roads and Cooktown. I also took all the "movable" forces from Darwin and sent to Noumea/Koumac quickly enough to greatly slow the Japanese expansion.


Seeing the intel regarding Ceylon, I started to withdrawl, but will not get much out.

The game is great. I've got a strong string of basis from Pearl Harbor the Pago Pago, and am very close to landing on Tahati to retake it.

Also I've had no problem getting massive supplies to Oz from Cape Town, but I waited until I lost a few AKs to a Raider and sent a British Carrier force. The raiders were gone but I found a German Carrier instead which promptly sunk my carrier and some escorts, but only after it lost a lot of planes and then left the area, so I simply flooded the sea lanes with AKs while the raiders were away. I'll get maybe 500K+ supplies and 100K+ fuel moved and then stop until I can fight the returning raiders again. I figure the lost carrier (British) was a tactical loss, but I got almost all my AKs and some TKs sitting in Capetown to Oz, and most are now back.

The think what would hurt me the most, would be if the AI Japanese Raiders had follow up waves. Once you beat the initial lot, your good for a while. Also, the many landings in the South Pacific without carrier support (or only weak support) can be slowed and hurt a lot with a minimal number of allied surface ships. CVs sailing around the South Pacific in Feb/March would really hurt. Also, losing 1 US CV to clear the sea lines between CA and Hawaii does not hurt that much if they don't have much follow up.

Thanks again for this great scenario for solitaire play.


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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 6:38:23 PM   
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I found a German Carrier instead which promptly sunk my carrier


I would not have seen that coming.

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 7:00:47 PM   
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The German Carrier has a LOT of Stuka's. And I was not expecting it either. So far I've sunk A few German ships and loads of U-boats.

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/18/2019 7:25:31 PM   
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Thanks for the feedback trying to improve the scenario based on my own playthrough and what others have observed so many thanks

Remember this is designed to be utterly gloriously nuts with no bearing on history whatsoever

What I found early on was it is a challenge but my biggest issue is Allied Airpower is irrelevant given how strong the AI is you cannot use aircraft unless its a specific task ie suppress base X - attrition favours the AI to such an extent that the only option in many case is to keep airpower out of range and only use them for specific missions

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/19/2019 1:23:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
I am also.increasingly pissed off by not being able to afford to set my Corps up properly through lack of PP !!



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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/19/2019 1:32:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Thanks for the feedback trying to improve the scenario based on my own playthrough and what others have observed so many thanks

Remember this is designed to be utterly gloriously nuts with no bearing on history whatsoever

What I found early on was it is a challenge but my biggest issue is Allied Airpower is irrelevant given how strong the AI is you cannot use aircraft unless its a specific task ie suppress base X - attrition favours the AI to such an extent that the only option in many case is to keep airpower out of range and only use them for specific missions

yep.

which is not too far off the mark of how it really was.

The allies had the assets early on to better resist, but only if they had been under a single command (like a player). The reality was there were 9 (and counting general like MacArthur, add another dozen or so) commands that simply did not cooperate. Yes, they were on the same side, but they were too prideful to either share or ask for help. Hence, the IJ was able to pick them off quite easily as it could mass its strength at a single point of attack.

I think that is what your Ironman scenarios like this bring … they bring the solo player back closer to the actual mindset that they commanders in '41 had to deal with: too many fires and not nearly enough of anything to fight with. They aren't historically accurate with respect to force pools, but they are accurate in re-creating the frustration and fear that guys like Nimitz must have felt in Jan 42 …

Awesome.



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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/19/2019 5:06:21 PM   
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Andy, In late April 42 I noticed ships loitering NNW of Pearl Harbor. I sent out a CA/CL/DD surface action group to hunt and on 5/1/42 I sunk 8 AOs NNE of Pearl Harbor. This looks like a repeat send out of a massive fleet refuel, perhaps for KB, that should not have happened. KB is busy supporting the conquest of Ceylon. Of course I supposed I may find the entire Krigsmarine at San Francisco in a few terns. Maybe they were refueling something I have not found. Hopefully not the German CV I encountered earlier in the Indian Ocean.


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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/19/2019 6:22:27 PM   
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Intel: IJA prepping for Anchorage? You've got to be kidding!

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RE: COLOMBO FALLS - 10/19/2019 10:14:01 PM   
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Lovely: 4bbs, 4 CAs plus DDs parked near Colombo. My anti-ship force is destroyed to got one torpedo and two bomb hits.... they dont need even dismbark to isolate me...

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