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The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/19/2019 1:17:50 AM   
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A Cold War scenario with British forces facing off against Soviet forces near Malaysia...

As always, please let me know what you think. Any advice--how the orders are written, the forces made available to each side, how the scenario tends to play out, whether the Events work properly, etc.--is welcome. How can I make this a more enjoyable and more interesting scenario? Thanks!

Version 2 uploaded 10:30 PM EST 9/24/19.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/19/2019 5:04:19 PM   
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Cool, I'll check it out right now!

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/19/2019 6:22:54 PM   
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Been playing it today, works well and is short and enjoyable as yours always are.

Mechanically wise I found no issue but the scoring seems a little harsh.

I have and air kill ratio of 23:8 and I sank both Soviet cruisers and the MV Doshi (nice trick you did here to force the start of hostilities by the way) against one of my destroyers lost and I am still at minor victory.

Perhaps you should up a little the scoring for enemy ships, 75 points instead of 50 should be enough.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/19/2019 6:24:34 PM   
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Still playing, but I noticed that communications disruptions are enabled. That's fine, but I think you should make mention in the scenario description that Chains of War features are required to play.

UPDATE: Well I failed. Got a big bit of bad luck in that in a surface action with the Soviet cruisers, the first salvo fired at HMS Newcastle destroyed the engines. It was all downhill from there.

A good scenario, hostilities began when I had one of my Sunderlands fly over a surface contact which was identified as the rebel cargo ship, and the ship fired on the Sunderland with AAA.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/19/2019 6:59:36 PM   
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The Kirov outguns your ships badly. A low (as in wave-skimming low) strike with your brigands and 1000lbs. bombs, is the best way to deal with the soviet cruisers.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/22/2019 3:23:39 AM   
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I found this an interesting scenario for the first half - I used my Sunderland's to find the target and then handed off to HMS Comus, which shadowed the target while it stayed in Indonesian waters and then intercepted once it headed for Malaysia. If the scenario had ended there, I would have given it high marks. However, once the shooting started things sort of fell apart.

The transition from intercepting a smuggler to full scale war against USSR was simply jarring. I had just been operating alongside the Soviet forces for a day and a half with nothing happening and I pounced on my target in the middle of strait while the Soviet cruisers were 30 miles away and no Soviet aircraft nearby, but suddenly I have to sink two major warships and shoot down dozens of aircraft with no options to deescalate. Further, the Soviet forces heavily outgunned my ships, so I really should be running and hiding rather than trying to fight them.

It also didn't help that I had rearmed half of my Brigand's with 3" rockets, a loadout which is apparently bugged and has only a fraction of the range that it says.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/22/2019 10:26:12 AM   
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Sudden escalation is a frecuent theme in plenty of Mark Gellis scenarios.

I personally had no issue with the change to a shooting war situation, perhaps beacuse I was expecting it since minute one.

Different expectatives perhaps.

Ancalagon

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/22/2019 4:54:57 PM   
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This is an interesting point. Perhaps I should make it a "special action" to have things turn hot? I think the problem is that JUST intercepting the cargo ship is far too easy. Even with old Soviet weapons bolted to the hull so the freighter has a chance to fight back, it's hardly a challenging match. Thanks. Let me think about this...


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I found this an interesting scenario for the first half - I used my Sunderland's to find the target and then handed off to HMS Comus, which shadowed the target while it stayed in Indonesian waters and then intercepted once it headed for Malaysia. If the scenario had ended there, I would have given it high marks. However, once the shooting started things sort of fell apart.

The transition from intercepting a smuggler to full scale war against USSR was simply jarring. I had just been operating alongside the Soviet forces for a day and a half with nothing happening and I pounced on my target in the middle of strait while the Soviet cruisers were 30 miles away and no Soviet aircraft nearby, but suddenly I have to sink two major warships and shoot down dozens of aircraft with no options to deescalate. Further, the Soviet forces heavily outgunned my ships, so I really should be running and hiding rather than trying to fight them.

It also didn't help that I had rearmed half of my Brigand's with 3" rockets, a loadout which is apparently bugged and has only a fraction of the range that it says.



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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/22/2019 5:33:00 PM   
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Gave it a run last night but I was tired and got pummeled. My strike AC were rearming and it was night when the Beagles attacked and damaged HMS Newcastle and its escort while some Frescos - man those things are maneuverable - strafed HMS Comus while it was heading to sink the damaged freighter - Dead in the Water! A Beagle Recon unit shot down 3 - yes 3 chasing fighters - and went home to have some vodka.

I'll try and give it another go when I'm paying more attention.

You may want to adjust the orientation of the naval dock (cannot remember the name) on the mainland. It's pointing strait north at the moment and looks odd, might cause the Doshi some problems with pathing if it ever gets close.

Good scenario. Thanks

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/22/2019 7:11:05 PM   
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quote:

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This is an interesting point. Perhaps I should make it a "special action" to have things turn hot? I think the problem is that JUST intercepting the cargo ship is far too easy. Even with old Soviet weapons bolted to the hull so the freighter has a chance to fight back, it's hardly a challenging match. Thanks. Let me think about this...




It think it may be a product of different expectations. When I play a scenario like this, I try to play it as realistically as possible and if you do that, this scenario actually has a lot going on (maybe even a bit too much). So for instance, I was using my fighters to intercept, ID, and shadow all air traffic approaching Malaysia. I was "patrolling" Malaysian waters with my cruiser and second destroyer. And I was keeping tabs on the Soviet cruisers with a Sunderland. Then when I found the target ship, I was using a destroyer to follow it, carefully staying outside of Indonesian waters and attempting to remain over the horizon so it couldn't ID me. Then I planned my interception when there were no enemy forces around to observe or interfere.

Compared to all that, the actual fighting was rather uninteresting. I find that CMANO doesn't really handle gunbattles that well (either surface to surface, surface to air, or air to air) and given the forces available there is really only one viable strategy and after that it's really just a matter of RNG.

I think if I were designing it, I would place certain triggers, such as entering Indonesian waters or intercepting the target within sight of the Soviet cruisers, that would trigger hostilities. That would make the difficulty of the scenario about avoiding conflict, rather than just pulling off a better kill ratio. Especially since the UK and USSR suddenly blowing each other's cruisers out of the water because a smuggler got trigger happy seems a little out of character.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/23/2019 4:13:38 AM   
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I gave it another go. I was able to shadow the cargo ship for quite a while, but near Medan, HMS Defender slipped within the ship's gun range and opened fire on Defender. That started the battle.

Defender was able to inflict considerable damage on the cargo ship, leaving her dead in the water, but I had Defender race away at flank speed to avoid the guns of the Soviet Cruisers. All three of my ships were strafed by MiG-17s, and they were able to shoot down a few of them, with several others destroyed by my Venom fighters over the course of the scenario.

Shortly after the start of hostilities, I dispatched all of my Brigand fighter-bombers against the Soviet cruisers, each armed with 1000LB Bombs. The first group cause heavy damage to one and some damage to the other. The Second group sank the heavily damaged cruiser and caused more damage to the other. At this point I dispatched HMS Newcastle and HMS Comus to engage and destroy the remaining Soviet cruiser, Kalinin. She and Newcastle exchange alot of salvos. Kalinin is ultimately sunk, but Newcastle sustains massive superstructure damage, with nearly all comms, sensors, and weapons other than main battery knocked out. Propulsion and controls remain operational though.

After the sinking of Kalinin, I send Newcastle and Comus north out of the area. I also turn Defender around to finish off the cargo ship. Defender finally sinks the target with several salvos.

Once the cargo ship is sunk, I get a message about the Soviets being very angry about that and warning of an imminent attack........um, wouldn't they already be mad about losing two cruisers? Maybe this message should happen when the cargo ship is attacked by your forces?

Shortly afterward, HMS Comus detects a Soviet submarine, and I send her to sink the sub, but Comus is sunk by the Sub's torpedoes. My Sunderlands are unable to find the sub after that.

The soviets dispatch several IL-28s against Defender and Newcastle, and I blast a number of them with Venoms, but Defender is lost.

I then get Newcastle into Penang harbor area and run out the clock.

Final Score: Average with 125 points.

I think you should get alot more points for sinking the cargo ship and the Soviet cruisers.

Losses and Expenditures.

SIDE: United Kingdom
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LOSSES:
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6x Venom NF.Mk3
1x D 01 C Class Destroyer
1x D 05 Daring


EXPENDITURES:
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272x 114mm/45 Mk6 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
292x 40mm/60 Twin Bofors Burst [4 rnds]
342x 114mm/45 Single HE
52x 40mm/70 Mk9 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds]
6x 102mm/45 Mk16 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
30x Firestreak
136x 20mm Hispano Mk5 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
16x Mk13 1000lb GPB
8x 12.7mm/50 MG x 4 Burst [100 rnds]
66x 152mm/50 Mk23 Triple CPBC Salvo [3 rnds]



SIDE: Neutrals
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: Soviet Union
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LOSSES:
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12x MiG-17PF Fresco D
1x KR Chapaev
1x KR Kirov
1x Il-28R Beagle
8x Il-28 Beagle


EXPENDITURES:
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78x FAB-500M-54 GPB
20x 23mm NR-23 x 3 Burst [60 rnds]
19x 100mm/56 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
26x 45mm/85 Quad Burst [8 rnds]
15x 100mm/56 Frag
60x 37mm/63 Twin Burst [20 rnds]
1x 100mm/56 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
155x 180mm/7.1-inch/57 Triple
2x 53-57 Pattern Runner [NATO 53-56]
14x 23mm NR-23 x 2 Burst [40 rnds]
6x 23mm Twin Burst [20 rnds]



SIDE: Indian Freighter
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LOSSES:
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1x Commercial Container Vessel - Small Feeder [750 TEU, 9,500t DWT]


EXPENDITURES:
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12x 135 mm/45 Model 1938 (AP)



SIDE: Indonesia
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/25/2019 2:32:43 AM   
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Just uploaded version 2. Tweaked a few things like scoring, the number of aircraft available, etc. Please let me know what you think. Thanks.

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/30/2019 3:19:19 PM   
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Any more thoughts on this one? Is the revised version ready for the Community Scenario Pack or are there other changes, additions, etc. that have to be made? Thanks!


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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 9/30/2019 5:20:44 PM   
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I've been giving a look the the V2, and while I'm glad you tweaked the points, I just fail to see the rationale in the air units reduction.

The airstrikes where hard to survive but not impossibly so, and it's not too big as to be unmanageable by any measure.

Is it to give more weight to naval gunbattles?

Ancalagon

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 10/2/2019 8:41:29 PM   
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I've been giving a look the the V2, and while I'm glad you tweaked the points, I just fail to see the rationale in the air units reduction.

The airstrikes where hard to survive but not impossibly so, and it's not too big as to be unmanageable by any measure.

Is it to give more weight to naval gunbattles?

Ancalagon


To an extent, yes. Both sides still have significant air power, but I wanted to limit it a little so it would be a little more challenging, and winning would be more likely to involve the cruiser.



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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 10/2/2019 9:07:17 PM   
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In that case, I have found no technical issues, so it's ready for the pack.

Ancalagon

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RE: The Penang Affair, 1955 - new beta for testing - 10/5/2019 8:45:53 AM   
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Really enjoy 50s era scenarios so thanks for taking the time to create this.

Managed 400 points losing 5 Venoms. One issue I noted with the way I approached the scenario was that it was very easy to keep track of the Soviet cruisers by shadowing them with Sunderlands. I also used them for early warning patrols and they went unmolested the entire scenario. The Soviets though had a hard time tracking my ships. This made avoiding them until my bombers were ready far easier.

I noticed MiGs were flying patrols to the far north west long into the scenario which seems a waste. If the Soviets were more focused on achieving air superiority over the strait it would make the scenario far more tense, not knowing the whereabouts of the cruisers by virtue of keeping the Sunderlands at bay.

Also maybe help the Soviet side out a bit by adding another sub to patrol further north and another Beagle recon flight there as well to foil any Brit attempts to hide out their ships up north.

Just my 2 cents...

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