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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/19/2019 11:34:57 PM   
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1. Can you ... showing who we are in round one as far as pairings go\


Yes, the pairings are shown in the latest update

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/21/2019 2:20:21 PM   
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[edit: player scoresheets not needed,disregard]

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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/21/2019 3:49:23 PM   
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[edit: moved current information to the bottom for clarity, added current pairings / changed entry procedure]

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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/22/2019 12:01:37 PM   
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'Let’s just use 1 point for wins, half a point for draw, and 0 for a loss.'

Just wonder if this is the best way to play it.
Will make it harder to get a result after 4 games, not many for a Swiss tournament.
But the main thing is I think it would detract from the game play, if you are playing just to win or lose it takes some of the subtlety and interest away as against playing for variable results or VPs. Also if part way through and one player is clearly going to win then less incentive to continue to play well to the end.

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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/22/2019 12:32:47 PM   
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'Let’s just use 1 point for wins, half a point for draw, and 0 for a loss.'

Just wonder if this is the best way to play it.
Will make it harder to get a result after 4 games, not many for a Swiss tournament.
But the main thing is I think it would detract from the game play, if you are playing just to win or lose it takes some of the subtlety and interest away as against playing for variable results or VPs. Also if part way through and one player is clearly going to win then less incentive to continue to play well to the end.


Good point, the finalized scoring system is shown in the most recent news letter.

It works well with the Dutch pairing system I'll use.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't think of that!


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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/22/2019 1:18:13 PM   
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Am sure that would work fine.
Should keep more interest until the end of the game.

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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/22/2019 1:58:55 PM   
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Am sure that would work fine.
Should keep more interest until the end of the game.


Thanks for bringing that up! What do you think about the levels?



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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/22/2019 3:26:58 PM   
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You have all the victory levels in so looks good to me.

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/22/2019 5:04:51 PM   
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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/23/2019 11:48:50 AM   
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Of course I forgot (again!) to take screen shots! But Patrick and I are on turn 2. The battles are just starting to heat up, love the double fog of war (i.e., no replaying the VCR playback) gives the desert feel.



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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/23/2019 12:03:18 PM   
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Sweet! Sandy and I just started our game :) I hope that at least one more joins ... cachou is waiting for his pairing. I know that there must be someone out there who will join. Mr. Cross is invited ... but he has to play blindfolded. :) [edit: moved current update to last post]

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Tournament Scoring Suggestion - 9/23/2019 1:53:52 PM   
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revised scoring system:

1/8 point for overwhelming loss
1/4 for significant loss
1/2 for marginal loss
3/4 for a draw
1 point for a marginal victory
1 and 1/2 points for a significant victory
2 points for an overwhelming victory



Was looking at your scoring system and think that using fractions may lead to problems and confusion. Instead, suggest you use something simpler that TOAW already calculates. Use each player’s Net Victory Point Award per game and sum them up for a total tournament score.

Also, be prepared with a tie breaker and a standard award value should a player’s opponent resign from the tournament.

Best of luck and good hunting with your games, RhinoBones







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RE: Tournament Scoring Suggestion - 9/23/2019 3:46:58 PM   
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quote:

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revised scoring system:

1/8 point for overwhelming loss
1/4 for significant loss
1/2 for marginal loss
3/4 for a draw
1 point for a marginal victory
1 and 1/4 points for a significant victory
1 and 1/2 points for an overwhelming victory



Was looking at your scoring system and think that using fractions may lead to problems and confusion. Instead, suggest you use something simpler that TOAW already calculates. Use each player’s Net Victory Point Award per game and sum them up for a total tournament score.

Also, be prepared with a tie breaker and a standard award value should a player’s opponent resign from the tournament.

Best of luck and good hunting with your games, RhinoBones



Thanks for the suggestion! Yes, at first I wanted to do it that way. In my pairing tests, it was just too much of a chore pairing rounds 2 / 3 / 4 using that system. I will be using a "Dutch" pairing system. The tournament is Swiss; the pairing system is Dutch.

Using simplified positive values for both wins and losses ensures that everyone will score points above zero and will make pairing easier for me in the subsequent rounds.

The Victory Points / Net Victory Award Points that are assigned by the game may be used as a tie breaker if the Dutch system doesn't apply.

I hope that's okay with all you players!


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RE: Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/23/2019 3:50:02 PM   
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CURRENT PAIRINGS

mdanz (commonwealth) v. comte (germans)------------>in progress
tyronec (commonwealth) v. larryfulkerson (germans)-->in progress
zovs (commonwealth) v. cpt flam (germans)---------->in progress
sandy (commonwealth) v. hellen (germans)----------->in progress
cachou (commonwealth) v. cheltham (germans)-------->in progress

Jack00 has entered the tournament; pairing TBA
bkilpat01 has entered the tournament; pairing TBA

Enter by Sept. 30 to play in Round 1.

It looks like we might be able to start Round 2 as early as November 30th at the current pace.

Good luck to all, and may the best Grognard win!!

Notes

re: Axis player's turn #25, the last move of the game: Axis player must make a combat attack move with a ground unit before ending his turn #25 or the scenario may not end.

Added map of scenario to AAR section

Link to Round 1 news letter is shown below. It is a two page pdf file that will open in a new window. Contains tournament grid and finalized scoring system

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jJfv9CfiWqZN2z4xcuBNHFmWrtedZYWb/view?usp=sharing

Link to the game's ver. 4 scenario briefing can be viewed via the following link (it will open in new window. It is the 10 page pdf briefing from the game. Note esp. that victory points can be awarded for "capturing" commanders)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VyLTwPVxLP-TWlmZx03chW-XTv1Qedo9/view?usp=sharing

Special shouts of thanks to Mr. McBride, without whom this tournament would not have been possible.


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