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Tobruk 41 Tournament: Important Update - 9/13/2019 10:37:43 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Starting - 9/14/2019 12:47:55 AM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Starting - 9/14/2019 2:44:40 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Starting - 9/15/2019 5:03:35 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Starting - 9/15/2019 5:27:27 PM   
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I'd need Capt. Flam's email.

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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Starting - 9/15/2019 7:26:22 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/16/2019 7:58:58 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 12:20:40 AM   
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That's an easy fix.

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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 12:33:53 AM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 1:34:44 AM   
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Is there another 15-20 turn scenario that fits the bill?

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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 1:40:26 AM   
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The Italian Invasion of Malta.
Its usually always decided by 15 turns or so.


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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 4:06:35 AM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 6:11:42 AM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 3:19:01 PM   
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and prob not best for tournament anyway.
Whatever is fine with me.

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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 5:42:21 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 6:03:07 PM   
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What do the various letters mean on the chart? Count me in.




Hi, Larry! The "B" and "R" mean the side you would play (blue or red, like the counters on the tiny map mode) ...

So in that example, you are slated to play blue side against #2 (tyronec ... and thus tyronec shows "R4" for round 1)


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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/17/2019 10:31:13 PM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 12:06:49 AM   
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RE: The Next War 1979 Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 1:02:42 AM   
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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 11:32:11 AM   
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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 5:08:26 PM   
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1. Can you provide a matrix to that table showing who we are in round one as far as pairings go? Mine says I am R5 but who am I playing?

There is a R3, R4, R5 and R8 and a B1, B2, B6 and B7 so that is all confusing.

Should it be R1-R4 and B1-B4 with R1 vs B1 and R2 vs B2 and err I am not sure how your doing the pairing part and not following.

2. Advanced Game Options?

I suggest turning off the following:

No Borders
High Supply (that is the old way)
Trusted PBEM
Variable Initiative (although for PBEM it does not mater)

3. What about the 'suggested house rule' don't watch the VCR playback? It's an honor rule and its the DAK vs the Desert Rats.

4. The Commonwealth goes first so they are the "Red" team so the R1-R4 or Rwhatever needs to go first. So we need to have clarity on items 2 and 3 above first.

5. I just opened up a test and as the CW they can use their air assets to attack, so another house rule?

Sorry for my confusion but this does look like it may be a fun one.

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 5:48:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zovs

I have several questions.

1. Can you provide a matrix to that table showing who we are in round one as far as pairings go? Mine says I am R5 but who am I playing?

There is a R3, R4, R5 and R8 and a B1, B2, B6 and B7 so that is all confusing.

Should it be R1-R4 and B1-B4 with R1 vs B1 and R2 vs B2 and err I am not sure how your doing the pairing part and not following.

2. Advanced Game Options?

I suggest turning off the following:

No Borders
High Supply (that is the old way)
Trusted PBEM
Variable Initiative (although for PBEM it does not mater)

3. What about the 'suggested house rule' don't watch the VCR playback? It's an honor rule and its the DAK vs the Desert Rats.

4. The Commonwealth goes first so they are the "Red" team so the R1-R4 or Rwhatever needs to go first. So we need to have clarity on items 2 and 3 above first.

5. I just opened up a test and as the CW they can use their air assets to attack, so another house rule?

Sorry for my confusion but this does look like it may be a fun one.

Good questions!

1. You are #6 on the matrix ... under the round 1 pairing column, it says "R5" for you ... so that means you have Red (Commonwealth) versus #5 (cpt flam, and his line says "B6" because he has blue pieces (germans) versus #6, zovs).

I initialized the pairings using a random draw and seeded the first four entrants using standard Swiss pairing rules for a "non-ELO" tournament.

Everybody after that was seeded in order of entry and paired using Dutch pairing rules.

Order of pairing and colors to play really don't matter in the first round of this non "ELO" tournament. In round 2, players will play those with similar scores from round 1 (as close as possible) and will have the other color pieces side to play. Pairings and colors in round 2 will be determined using the discretionary Dutch pairing rules for Swiss style tournaments.

2. All that is fine with me.

3. Yes, honor rules. We are all honorable gentlemen, are we not? :)

4. See answer to 1

5. Not sure, I am inclined to follow the scenario briefing. If I recall, Mr. McBride didn't mention restrictions on Commonwealth air use on turn 1, but I may have overlooked that. As long as we are all on the same page, makes no difference to me. My only suggestion is to keep things as easy as possible and as much fun as is possible.

I hope these answers help! Thanks for bringing these points up, we definitely want to have a good start!

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 7:14:12 PM   
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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 7:16:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		So just so we are all on the same page, these options correct?



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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 7:25:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is what I meant about the 1st turn air, I am not sure if the original scenario designer intended that no air missions be flow or if there is something set in the event editor to reduce the effects of air on turn one, presently I don't see any. So this may be another 1st turn honor rule?



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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 7:50:03 PM   
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I have a question about the British side.
The scenario said the first turn is for the British to advance to there "jump off point". I noticed I can advance practically to Tobruk before the German player can do much at all.
Is this a problem?
I know the Germans were slow to react to this attack..
should said "Jump off points" be marked or a limit agreed on?


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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 7:55:59 PM   
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BTW I sent my first CW turn to Captain Flamm, I am not much for doing homework, just charge forward and attack!

lol

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 8:02:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: comte

Wait am I still playing MDanz?


Yes, mdanz would be Commonwealth

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 8:11:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what I'm seeing from the scenario notes:

"Both sides have their air units grounded on turn 1 due to heavy rains. This improves over the next few turns for both sides."

So it sounds like to me the intent was no air on turn 1; if the scene opens and is allowing EITHER side air movement etc., then it should be an honor rule that no air is allowed on turn 1 ... not air unit movement, air unit combat / air combat support, or air interdiction. Those restrictions are lifted entirely at the start of turn 2.

w/re/to British movement, I'm reading/

"This study sets the British just off their start-lines and allows them freedom of choice in the offensive. They can attempt an end-run to Bir Hakeim and Gazala, the historical middle thrust to Sidi Rezegh, or follow in the footsteps of Battleaxe and run directly up to invest Bardia and then move along the coast to Tobruk."

So it seems to me that Brits are pretty much free to move where they wish ... but if I recall, there is an exclusion zone somewhere on the map that restricts some areas. That exclusion zone is lifted at some point ... not sure when.

I hope this helps!!

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RE: Proposed Tournament Important Update - 9/18/2019 8:18:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zovs

I say let it ride and see what happens, I suspect some nasty things will happen soon...

BTW I sent my first CW turn to Captain Flamm, I am not much for doing homework, just charge forward and attack!

lol


That's the spirit!! If you and your opponent are comfortable and ready to play, feel free to proceed. PS do at least familiarize with the purposed of the hexes marked with percent numbers ... capturing those is something the Commonwealth might consider as a strategy.

PPS I hope we get more entrants. They will be seeded into the bracket in the order that they join up, and then two by two I'll flip the lucky nickel, assign colors, and ... away we go!!

Good luck to all!


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