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slightly OT - 8/12/2019 7:13:37 AM   
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Mainly for German speakers out there.

I know 'selbst' means self but I'm confused by it's used.

In German KstN some artillery batteries use this term. Initially I thought it meant self propelled (selbstfahr) but it could also mean independant (selbstandig).

For example

Stab und Stbs. Bttr. / Selbst H-Art. Abt. (tbew. mot) (2 oder 3 Battr.)

Translated as I now think it means HQ and HQ Co/ of an independant Army Artillery Bn (partially mobile) (with 2 or 3 Bty).

Originally I thought it refered to SP units but that would use Sfl (Selbstfahrlafette)as in Stab / gp. Art. Abt. (Sfl) z.b.V. and not Selbst on it's own.

If it does mean independant that brings up another question. H-Art (army artillery) by its use means the units were not attached to a division, basically independant again. So what's the difference between H-art and (selbst)andig.

Appreciate any help.
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RE: slightly OT - 8/12/2019 8:35:02 AM   
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Selbstständig=independent
Selbstfahrxxxxx=self propelled xxxx (xxx being the device that is self propelled)

Selbstständig usually is truncated to selbst.

Selbst H-Art. Abt. probably means Selbstständige Heeresartillerieabteilung (independent army artillery abteilung (whatever Abteilung is in English)

I hope that helps, I am not an expert on all the the German army abbreviations myself.

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RE: slightly OT - 8/12/2019 9:38:04 AM   
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Well that's the German sorted, my understanding as well. Still leave the use of H-Art and Selbst.

My understanding of abteilung is a unit, battery, battalion or department, which one depends on context. Battery here but it's more often seen when referring to a battalion.

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RE: slightly OT - 8/12/2019 10:03:55 AM   
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https://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/index.php?thread/1468-erg%C3%A4nzungs-diskussionsthread-zu-abk%C3%BCrzungen-der-wehrmacht-a-bis-z/

Lexicon also has the formations and when/who assigned to.

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RE: slightly OT - 8/12/2019 12:50:52 PM   
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Germans love abbreviations

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RE: slightly OT - 8/12/2019 1:29:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fritzfarlig
Germans love abbreviations

Given the German language, you would have to ...



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