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Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666(Sov... - 8/11/2019 12:01:45 PM   
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Stand fast or manoeuvre? Stalingrad to Berlin Campaign Ewald von Kleist (Axis) vs. Elma666 (Soviets)

The Stalingrad to Berlin Campaign is part of the Lost Battles expansion for WitE and it starts with the Soviet counterattack to encircle the German 6th army in Stalingrad.

It is the third or fourth game played between us. We agreed on non-random weather and standard CV. No house rules except for limitation to two paradrops per year, not more than three hexagons behind the frontline. Otherwise total war. At the moment we plan to play until the last turn of the Summer 1943, but the game may well be continued if the situation is still interesting at this point.

The situation in the game is a new challenge as WitE is my first wargame and no 1941 game went beyond that year (apart from the team game), while the only other scenario I played is Vistula to Berlin 1945, which basically is Operation Barbarossa reversed. So I am used to fluid situations and Blitzkrieg, while StB will consist of positional warfare and defending against a slightly stronger enemy force, an unknown situation.
To help coping with this new situation, I will discuss some theory which hopefully combines entertainment with some food for thought and debate.

Feedback on the style of the AAR is very welcome, is it easy to read on all screen resolutions?

When using quotes make sure to keep them to a sensible size, matryoshka quotes can disrupt the appearance of the thread, especially if they contain much text/image.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 12:02:15 PM   
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Table of contents
Marked with colour are parts of the AAR which contain theory or general considerations.
T0, the initial situation
T2, 26.11.1942-before Axis operations/the home front/the reform program/after Axis operations/alternative Stalingrad pocket
T3, 03.12.1942-before Axis operations/after Axis operations
T4, 10.12.1942-before Axis operations/after Axis operations
T5, 17.12.1942-before Axis operations/after Axis operations
T6, 24.12.1942-before Axis operations/after Axis operations
T7, 31.12.1942-before Axis operations/Soviet propaganda/after Axis operations
T8, 07.01.1943-before Axis operations/after Axis operations/Axis propaganda
T9, 14.01.1943-before Axis operations/after Axis operations/some doctrine

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 12:04:32 PM   
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Time to get out the popcorn.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 2:05:00 PM   
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T0, the initial situation
The game begins on 19.11.1942 with the Soviets going first. The frontline stretches from Leningrad to the Caucasus, taking a tortuous path with multiple salients. The Axis have 50AP per turn to the 60AP of the Soviets.
The Soviet side has a large share of the front frozen for 1-4 turns, marked with a blue line on the map. Further units are in static mode. The command and control situation is mixed, most armies are around their limit, but the Rshew salient is guarded by many overloaded HQs.
There is a worrying shortage of trucks both in units and pool, only going to get worse during the blizzard. A railcap of 105k allows quick build ups and major strategic movement. A huge number of partisan units has infested the Axis rear area. The units on average are at their national morale of 49, slightly below in the North, slightly above at Rshew and Stalingrad. The motorised formations at Stalingrad considerably exceed their NM.

The Axis side has no units frozen in the East, yet many are set to static mode. The shortage of trucks is comparable to the Soviets, the command and control situation is equally difficult with Corps, Armies and Army Groups overloaded. Many units are split up, exacerbating the situation.
The extended salients in the Centre South are worrying, the flanks at Stalingrad are held by very routy Rumanians and Italians. The NM of 70 is exceeded by many infantry units in the North and Centre and matched by the infantry elsewhere. Units with non-standard NM are below their NM. Especially the motorised forces are disappointing, some of them are even in static mode.


Time to look at the overall force ratio.


136k Soviet manpower and no Axis manpower is in the pool.

As an approximation of the CV of an element, one can use the formula base CV*morale/100*experience/100. To compare the strength of the armies, we will try to convert all ground equipment to infantry and then apply the formula to get an approximation for the CV ratio.
We use the exchange rates 1 AFV=>30 men and 1 gun=>1 men. Why? A tank has a base CV of 9, a rifle squad with around 10 men of 3. So 1 tank=30 men CV wise. But it isn't that simple. The tank requires men to operate, so you have to substract its crew. A men may be assigned to equipment without CV, so you would have to add some men to compensate for this. But there are AFV types with less than 9CV. In the end we hope that it all cancels out and we remain at the exchange ratio 30:1. Artillery is ignored, it causes losses and therefore influences final CV, but also sucks up manpower which then is not available for elements with actual CV.

We also assume that the same share of manpower contributes to CV for both sides.

Soviets: 5.8 mio manpower on map+pool+0.45 mio converted AFV manpower from map+pool=6.25 mio. 6.25 mio*0,5*0,5=1.56 mio adjusted manpower

Axis: Germany 3.1 mio non-frozen manpower+0.13 mio converted AFV manpower=3.23 mio. 3.23 mio*0.7*0.7=1.58 mio adjusted manpower

Axis allies: 0.7 mio non-frozen non finnish manpower 0.7 mio*0.45*0.45=0.14 mio adjusted manpower

So overall force ratio stands at 1.56 mio adjusted for Soviets and 1.72 mio adjusted for the Axis.
Given that the WitE engine seems to have some bias for sheer mass and that the Axis has to guard against partisans and sees more men parked in non-CV elements, the raw CV strength can be assumed to be equal, maybe with slight advantage for the Soviets.

If you account for the garrison forces and city flak etc., Axis active manpower is around 3.6 million men. Not great, not terrible.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 2:22:11 PM   
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I will add a bit more and do some proof-reading later, have to leave the PC now to meet the human needs of social contact


??? Please explain this term, 'the human needs of social contact'. Do you mean staff meetings to plan strategy and resource allocation?

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 3:51:09 PM   
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If you account for the garrison forces and city flak etc., Axis active manpower is around 3.6 million men. 3.6, not great, not terrible.


You didn't see the Soviets massing for a counterattack. You didn't. You didn't!!! Because the reserves aren't there!

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 6:07:16 PM   
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If you account for the garrison forces and city flak etc., Axis active manpower is around 3.6 million men. 3.6, not great, not terrible.




*6th army gets encircled*

Paulus: I was on the toilet

+1 looking forward to this one!

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 6:13:11 PM   
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You didn't see the Soviets massing for a counterattack. You didn't. You didn't!!! Because the reserves aren't there!


What, are you suggesting that, what, the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.


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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 7:47:15 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.


Nice to meet you, Dr. Pangloss. You have a great future as an adviser to Hitler.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 7:52:33 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.

Nice to meet you, Dr. Pangloss. You have a great future as an adviser to Hitler.


The Panglossian view would not deny that the Soviets could prepare a major strategic offensive - it would only state that all other possibilies would be even worse still.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 8:06:07 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.

Nice to meet you, Dr. Pangloss. You have a great future as an adviser to Hitler.


The Panglossian view would not deny that the Soviets could prepare a major strategic offensive - it would only state that all other possibilies would be even worse still.


Right then - you've just been sacked from the Fuhrer's inner circle.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 8:12:15 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.

Nice to meet you, Dr. Pangloss. You have a great future as an adviser to Hitler.

The Panglossian view would not deny that the Soviets could prepare a major strategic offensive - it would only state that all other possibilies would be even worse still.

Right then - you've just been sacked from the Fuhrer's inner circle.

What kind of "sacked" are we talking about here?



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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 8:54:02 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.

Nice to meet you, Dr. Pangloss. You have a great future as an adviser to Hitler.

The Panglossian view would not deny that the Soviets could prepare a major strategic offensive - it would only state that all other possibilies would be even worse still.

Right then - you've just been sacked from the Fuhrer's inner circle.

What kind of "sacked" are we talking about here?



Ve send you to the Russian Front.




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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/11/2019 9:13:56 PM   
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T2, 26.11.1942 before Axis operations
The Soviets attack at the Flanks of the Stalingrad salient and easily rout the Rumanian defenders there. The 6th Army is encircled and a major gap in the frontline develops.
The rest of the front remains rather quiet with no ground and few air attacks.
That is because many Soviet units are frozen on T1 as shown on the T0 map. Where the forces are not frozen, e.g. around Rshew, the odds for attacks are bad, so they apparently decided to wait or to relocate their forces.
As you see, the frontline is stretched very far, making it difficult to get everything on one map. But I do want to show all the details with MP and CV, so the image is rather large. I promise to do what I can in the future to straighten the frontline for smaller maps.

One request guys, when quoting, please only quote the last post and do not quote huge images. Matryoshka quotes make it difficult to read the thread. Comments and joking of course is very welcome!




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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 11:37:42 AM   
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T2, 26.11.1941 on the home front
The past year has seen the German officer corps becoming increasingly opposed to the Nazi regime and the person of Hitler. The reasons are manifold. Some blame them for the increasingly difficult situation on all fronts, some fear about the traditional position of the Wehrmacht in the face of the steadily growing "army of the party" Waffen-SS, others bear a personal grudge against the Nazi personal because their career has not materialised as expected, some object to the NS government for moral reasons. No matter the individual reasons, the distrust in the Hitler regime grew sufficiently for a coup d'etat to succeed. Dozens of high ranking persons were executed and several hundreds imprisoned. The details of this, or the influence it has on aspects other than the Eastern Front will be of no concern here, The days of chaos surely contributed to the developing crisis at Stalingrad. Yet it can be expected that, with a new leadership, the Ostheer will undergo a major reform of structure and doctrine. The war in the East is not going to end any time soon.

[1] I am not convinced that the swapping of the Nazi gouvernement for a conservative-militaristic leadership will bring much relief for the rest of the world. But I plan to play non-hitleresque so the man had to go.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 11:44:13 AM   
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I am not convinced that the swapping of the Nazi gouvernement for a conservative-militaristic leadership will bring much relief for the rest of the world. But I plan to play non-hitleresque so the man had to go.


Various plans were made by Britain for assasinations of Hitler some of which got to fairly advanced stages. But they were cancelled for that very reason. The alternatives would probably not lead to an end of the war - and might even bring in better leadership for the enemy to run it. So at least by the hard headed analysis of British military planners at the time, that comment seems to be spot on.

Are we being told you have changed the leader of OKH with this post?


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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 12:38:36 PM   
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T2, 26.11.1942 the reform program
The situation is unsatisfactory in many aspects, among them
-the Axis offensive has stalled and the initiative has gone over to the Soviets
-the structure of the Axis forces is very poor
-the fighting spirit is not satisfactory
-several actual or potential crisis exist on the front
-a comprehensive plan for the future does not exist

The following program is supposed to address those points:

Administration:
1) Moralising. Bring units at or above their NM either by refitting in the rear area or by attacking.
2) C&C fixing. Switching leaders for strong key corps and reducing overload of corps is the primary priority. Following this, corps should be ordered by their national HQs in order to allow flexible stream of support units. On the long term, Army overloads and Army Group overloads will be addressed.
3) Resource distribution. Scarce resources (almost everything) must be directed to the units with the highest value, morale and flexibility. The program includes disbanding surplus, low quality infantry formations and rigorous MAX TOE settings.
4) Logistics. The efficiency of the logistics is to be increased by bringing units closer to the rail and their HQs. Heavy aircraft slowly disappear from the map until the truck situation improves.
5) Rear area security. Partisan formations must be hunted mercilessly while cities are guarded to deny them reinforcements. A network of rear are rail repair assets is to be set up in cooperation with the RHG commands.

Strategy&Operations:
6) Rebalancing. The distribution of the forces is not appropriate to the threat and potentials given by the current position. The North is too strong, the Centre appropriate in general but lacking in chosen areas, the South is appropriate if retracted unless the Soviets considerably reinforce here.
7) Improving the frontline. The current frontline is very complicated and generally favours the Soviets. Exposed positions are to be cleared, flanks and rail lines better protected. In the North and Centre, opportunities for counterattacks must be used.
8) Rescuing the 6th Army. The army must immediately break out and reserves have to secure its retreat.
9) Evacuating the Caucasus. The Caucasus must be cleared as quickly as possible.
10) Evacuating Demyansk.
11) Improving the defensive positions. Advantageous terrain must be taken by local counterattacks to solidify positions. Existing fortifications should be defended and improved.
12) Improving the force ratio. The primary strategic focus is to maintain the force ratio by fighting at a favourable loss ratio. Destruction of Soviet formations as a whole is the key to success, the Vernichtungsgedanke must guide the operations.


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@Telemecus: The position is currently held by Zeitzler. But it is important to mention that Zeitzler is only the Chief of staff of the OKH, and not commander in chief of the Army. With the death of Hitler the position became vacant. The tasks associated with this position are now overtaken by Erich von Manstein, but he has not yet been officially named commander of the OKH and still is listed as commander of AG Don.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 1:00:23 PM   
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swapping out hitler for the traditional military elite may not bring much relief to the rest of the world (and Germany is pretty much doomed anyway if, at the very least, by B-29's carrying atomic bombs) but it would sure bring relief to the hunted people inside the German empire! Glad to see I can root for the Germans in this game. :)

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 1:22:04 PM   
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This will test my 6.1M for the Soviets to push the Germans back theory. Clearly the Soviets start with an advantage that gives impetus, but if my theory holds any water the Germans should be able to regain offensive impetus within this system.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 1:54:15 PM   
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I am not convinced that the swapping of the Nazi gouvernement for a conservative-militaristic leadership will bring much relief for the rest of the world. But I plan to play non-hitleresque so the man had to go.


Let's cross our fingers, there are those who say Hitler was doing the right thing with his not a step back orders!

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 2:04:47 PM   
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@JohnB: The what ifs of an rather early successful coup are interesting and give food for endless debates. In case of a militarily successful and politically reasonable leadership, I can very well imagine that the Allies (especially the US) would agree to some compromise peace, e.g. Germany keeping all territories with major German population, before the A-bombs become ready. Not sure if this Germany here is worth routing for, but at least it now only is "just" another imperialistic great power, although unusually aggressive. But I had to kill Hitler to get freedom of action!

@Crackaces: I am sceptical of the fixed 6.1 mio number.
-the average morale is important. 10% morale difference mean 21% CV difference all other things being equal
-it is more about force ratios than absolute numbers. Maybe the Soviets can stop a 3.3 mio men Wehrmacht with 6.1 mio, but games started in 1941 see the Germans having 4 mio. men during the winter 42/43. 4 mio vs 6.5 mio is better for the Axis than 3.3 mio vs. 6.1 mio.
-C&C and the location of the frontline


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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 2:23:57 PM   
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T2, 26.11.1941 after Axis operations
Work on the reform immediately begins.
In the North, two important hexagons are taken by bloody all-out attacks. The forces at Oranienbaum will not be isolated due to the beachhead supply, but are essentially out of the game and can be kept in check by no more than a regiment.
The operation Nipple Removal will evacuate the exposed forces at Demyansk.
Army Group Centre plans the two attacks Büffelsturm I&II, designed to soldify the base of the Rshew salient while moralising motorised units and destroying Soviet formations. A clear win-win-win situation. Woods conceal the massing formations from Soviet recon. This operation exploits that many Soviet formations are still frozen. They offensive can be easily stopped by reinforcing the locations but there is not so much room for organic improvement without extra forces.

Army Group B and Centre cooperate for operation Ant Trail, a movement parallel to the Frontline taking place between Orel and Boguchar to rebalance the force distribution.

6th army exploits gaps in the Soviet attack to withdraw. Most formations can likely be saved.

Army Group A withdraws North. The Caucasus is of little value, difficult to supply (rail modifier) and the forces are needed elsewhere.

The colossus Wehrmacht is shaking, leaders are replaced, units relocated, settings adjusted, offensives and withdrawals planned. The points of the reform program often conflict with each other so playing somewhat efficient is very difficult, rail capacity and admin points and player time are in short supply.
Time is precious, with every week the Soviets will benefit more of their replacement rate advantage and unfreezing of their units.




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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 2:37:53 PM   
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The operation Nipple Removal


OK I think the time has come for naming rules for operational names!

That together with rules on which colours you are allowed to change units to as well!

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/12/2019 2:44:10 PM   
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OK I think the time has come for naming rules for operational names!


Now with Hitler gone, anything goes!

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/13/2019 9:56:28 PM   
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What, are you suggesting that, what, the Soviets are preparing for a major strategic offensive? You are an officer, so am I. So please tell me, how can the primitive Russians prepare a complex counterattack? Not tactical, strategical. Go to the 6th Army and report back on the situation. It will be fine, you will see.



I am enjoying your use of the quotes, it is pretty funny to apply it to other situations.

The write up for the AAR is very good. I will be following closely.

If I might add something: from my experience it is much better to recover morale by R&R units in the rear than it is from attacks on the enemy. There are 2 reasons for this: 1) The morale recovery is much faster and 2) you don't have to shed a drop of blood. Even attacks on weak enemy units will cause a lot of casualties. Considering the limited manpower that Germany has, it is my belief that the players should abstain from such attacks where you have very little to gain. This ofc does not apply to units that are 1-2 points under the NM, they can be ordered to attack and recover morale normally.

And btw I have been checking my game and what we talked about in your other thread (the morale dropping randomly) is happening and I have seen it happen in multiple cases (even when the conditions stated in the manual were not fulfilled). I am sure that you will have the same experience in your game, if you pay attention to your units.

Cheers!


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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/13/2019 11:53:35 PM   
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I just wanted to add a +1 to subscribing (or at least visiting regularly), and a general thanks for the information you lay out in both this AAR and other 'resources' and threads.

Thank you sir.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/14/2019 1:25:05 AM   
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It's not an easy situation and it will be a quite interesting game to follow. A big help to understand better the Axis defensive capacities and tactics.

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/14/2019 8:48:52 AM   
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@Telemecus: Having checked it, nipple means nipple more pronounced than I had thought. The Demyansk front makes me think of a wart or a nippel in the broader German meaning of Nippel, therefore the name :D
So what colour would you NOT like to see on a counter? Asking for a friend.

@Zorch: My post eight might be panglossian (just learnt a new word here), but it also is an allusion to the HBO Chernobyl series (as are Xhoel's and Fetterkrolle's posts before). Xhoel and me are both paraphrasing the iconic "There is no graphite on the roof" scene: https://youtu.be/Khyd7yLda0M?t=70

@xhoel: So do I with yours
Regarding the morale, I in general agree. And most units are only a bit under their NM so 1-3 attacks suffice. The problem is that I do not have enough capacity to rail the units back, not enough trucks to march them, no one to replace them on the frontline and not enough time to delay other actions. So attacks often appear as the best choice to get the job done. This being said, I try to combine moralising with intrinsically useful attacks for pocket creation or to frontline improvement. Sometimes I also attack to get my units out of contact with enemies for quicker fort construction.


I will demand of every division commander to immediately report sudden morale drops in their units.

@all others: Good to hear you like the AAR so far :-)

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RE: Stand fast or manoeuvre? StB EvK (Axis) vs. Elma666... - 8/14/2019 1:40:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

@Telemecus: Having checked it, nipple means nipple more pronounced than I had thought. The Demyansk front makes me think of a wart or a nippel in the broader German meaning of Nippel, therefore the name :D
So what colour would you NOT like to see on a counter? Asking for a friend.

@Zorch: My post eight might be panglossian (just learnt a new word here), but it also is an allusion to the HBO Chernobyl series (as are Xhoel's and Fetterkrolle's posts before). Xhoel and me are both paraphrasing the iconic "There is no graphite on the roof" scene: https://youtu.be/Khyd7yLda0M?t=70

@xhoel: So do I with yours
Regarding the morale, I in general agree. And most units are only a bit under their NM so 1-3 attacks suffice. The problem is that I do not have enough capacity to rail the units back, not enough trucks to march them, no one to replace them on the frontline and not enough time to delay other actions. So attacks often appear as the best choice to get the job done. This being said, I try to combine moralising with intrinsically useful attacks for pocket creation or to frontline improvement. Sometimes I also attack to get my units out of contact with enemies for quicker fort construction.


I will demand of every division commander to immediately report sudden morale drops in their units.

@all others: Good to hear you like the AAR so far :-)

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