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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/4/2019 10:19:14 PM   
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Taking troops off of Ceylon early on is probably a good move. If he targets Ceylon he can easily bring enough to isolate it and take it anyway. Putting the troops on the continent gives them greater longevity and access to supply. Eventually you get enough ships, aircraft and troops to return to Ceylon and be assured you can keep it.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/6/2019 11:10:02 PM   
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Agreed. My thought is, given how he's played thus far, he won't venture to Ceylong without committing enough KB to get air supremacy. If that's the case, we wouldn't stand much chance of either fully evac'ing or reinforcing.

Balikpapan has fallen, Tamarkan got paradropped.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/20/2019 2:57:34 AM   
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Just sent the 1/3 turn back. Need to get our AAR game together, although I must admit this is not proving to be game with a great deal of early excitement. In general our opponent is moving at what in my estimation is a conservative manner, only landing troops under friendly air cover.

Will go theater by theatre to try to give an overall picture:

Burma: Opponent captured Mergui with raiding paras today, but otherwise no activity. We've taken advantage by pushing approx. 50K supplies and two brigades into Rangoon. One more, 63rd Indian is on the way from Colombo, which will allow us to reconstitute 17th Indian Div. We'll have approx. 1,000 AV in Burma with the AVG and misc. RAF units to contest the skies at least until he can get setup at Moulmein. No illusions about truly stopping him, but I think we can significantly delay progress.

China: Essentially quiet, we took Sinyang. I don't think he's paying a great deal of attention. In all honesty neither are we.

Last stands: We're down to Bataan on Luzon. Only about 300 AV albeit decent supply. Might hold another week or two. We've shot down an obscene number of IJA bombers here, probably over 100 in the last two weeks because he keeps flying without escort.
At Singapore he got a 1:1 yesterday and has a big advantage in AV. I suspect it doesn't last more than a week. He hasn't done much about cleaning up the rest of Malaysia, but that will be a backwater, not much we can do with it.

DEI: He has air superiority over Java, but probably has 6 weeks of ground combat to take Batavia and Soerbaja depending on how many assets he commits. Kaga and light carriers are operating in the Java Sea. This is great training for the pilots but aside from that not sure what purpose it serves.
He landed on Timor at Dili (who else immediately though of this base when those Bud Light commercials came out?) but still hasn't come to Koepang. We have RNN and CL Marblehead in the area and may see if we can score some easy kills.

SWPac: Tons of sub activity off Brisbane and Sydney. He damaged CA Canberra somewhat significantly (39 Flt). Coupled with his actions in SoPac it seems like there's a good chance his long term are in this theatre.

SoPac: To the extent there's excitement, this is where it is. He has taken Luganville and Noumea. We did not contest, just too early in the war for us to push assets forward. We've been working under the assumption the KB is around, but to his credit he's kept them out of air search range so that's not a certainty. We have been trying to get USN CAs in a position to take a shot at Noumea, but now he's got Betties there (although no torps as yet) and a big SCTF so that seems inadvisable at the moment. We're pulling back to Suva. The USN carriers have been hanging around looking for opportunity but are undetected, they're on the way to Auckland for gas now. We're pushing a few reinforcements into Suva; US FA Bn and a construction unit. He will get Fiji if he comes soon, but we'd obviously like to avoid giving it up so if he dallies a few weeks we'll build up.

Christmas Island and Pago Pago received the first reinforcements, neither is impregnable, but they should put up a decent fight.

We're moving most of our available units to NZ right now, with the intention that we'll push them forward if appropriate or use them to defend NZ.

CentPac: We have SigInt he's moving on Wake, but we have a supply convoy there now unloading undetected. USMC DB squadron is stationed there. We also decided to send in an add'l USMC def Bn, but they are a week out.

NoPac: No activity as yet.

So big picture he's taken New Caledonia, which I don't love, but if you can get there in 1941 it's tough to defend. Aside from that, nothing that really bothers me. I feel like he seems very Pacific oriented, with that in mind we're thinking of sending I Aus Corps to Australia. Other hot topics of debate are what do with our last USMC Def Bn, our big Coastal Arty unit and the Americal Div. Opinions on all that welcome.


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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/20/2019 3:20:52 AM   
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I feel I owe the forum an explanation, if not apology for delaying to update. Work has been a part of the reason, but more interestingly, my wife and I hosted her Flemish cousins for a visit to the US. They are both in the Belgian military, one of them in a special forces unit. Got to hear stories of their training regime and their preferred beers. Turns out Belgian military vehicles are notoriously unreliable, second only to the French :)

This game is very, very odd. We took an absolute hammering in the opening salvo. Min-maxed gambits took key bases across the map. Since? Snails pace motion, always heavily covered. Enormous amounts of AV piled at Singers and Clark (now Bataan). It's effective at masking intent, but giving us more time to move units forward than first anticipated. I'll take it.

When we say there is virtually no activity in China, we mean it. This plays hugely into our favor. Aside from moving some units around behind the scenes, I want to do absolutely nothing to draw attention to this zone. If he doesn't think we care about it, then we can leverage our fight for Burma to get more supply in. All to early to celebrate anything, and maybe the bourbon in my glass has me feeling optimistic. It's Jan '42, we haven't lost a CV, and the Burma road isn't close to being closed.

NoPac might be a huge area of opportunity. We are moving the Sep infantry unit starting at Kodiak forward to Adak, and back-filling behind it.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/20/2019 5:28:05 PM   
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Since we are currently on vacation, played a quick Coral Sea scenario while waiting between turns. Fun diversion, and a reminder of how OP IJN planes are in a 1v1 situation.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/21/2019 12:40:04 AM   
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Christmas, Pago-Pago and Canton are all important to maintain your supply line to OZ-NZ, so the CD unit and 1/3rd of the Americal Division there, Marine Def Bn to Canton Isl and Pago-Pago and Suva get the other regiments of the Americal Division. Aviation assets such a base forces and AV/AVP/AVD to host search planes especially Cats along the lines Islands Palmyra, Christmas Island, Canton Island, Pago-Pago and Suva would be important to be able to see the KB coming.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/21/2019 4:53:36 AM   
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Screenshots are your friends.

I like the idea of sending troops to NZ. I once played an Ironman scenario (vs. computer IJ) where I got some Marines to South Island just in time to prevent a complete rout. I had a TF nearby with about three days of sigint warning on a Kiwi invasion.

Also, if he goes really deep in SoPac, you might think about building up Tahiti as a transshipment base.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/22/2019 6:50:06 AM   
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Sounds like he's grabbed the outer stuff he needs first, then he'll be backfilling before one big move (which sounds like either Oz or NZ). Once he eliminates Singapore and Luzon he can use very little troops to mop up easily.

Maybe stick all your dutch forces in Soerabaja to hold him up a bit?

Face it, its probably Oz, as NZ is a stretch for him.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/22/2019 11:15:27 PM   
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NZ triggers additional reinforcements, maybe not in this mod however.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 12:30:18 AM   
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NZ triggers additional reinforcements, maybe not in this mod however.


We're playing stock, so an NZ attack would trigger the auto reinforcements.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 12:47:20 AM   
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NZ triggers additional reinforcements, maybe not in this mod however.


We're playing stock, so an NZ attack would trigger the auto reinforcements.

So does an OZ attack below Brisbane hex row.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 1:02:04 AM   
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1/6

Feeling a bit chagrined after saying not much was going on, eventful day yesterday. The KB showed up off Fiji and hammered us. We had a trio of USN CAs that we had been hoping to use against Noumea pulled back there, but they came in too fast. Also had a convoy unloading a FA Bn and Construction Regt. Good news is the units were ashore, so only lost trucks. Bad news is CA Northampton was sunk along with AMC Monowai and 9 other ships, list below. CA Indianapolis is heavily damaged, attempting to fight fires in port at Suva. CA Chester is damaged but will probably make it.

On top of that Subs got CA Houston off Sydney and he landed troops at Norfolk I.






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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 1:09:46 AM   
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The other big data point in addition to the above is the amount of sub activity off Australia's main ports, image from our most recent turn below. To me that looks like an attempt at a blockade. I could maybe ascribe the KB raid and pushing south to normal IJ early game activity, but taken in combo with this stuff I'm basically convinced this is going to be a SoPac game, as several of you surmised. If not it's a hell of an elaborate ruse.

The biggest immediate issue we need to solve is that we need to get supplies into place. NZ has about 30K, with 33K more about a week out in large convoy from PH. That's a start but need a good deal more.

Key reinforcement convoy with 8th Marines, 2x P40 squadrons and a USMC DB squadron left PH two days ago. They're on fast AKs so should take approx two weeks.






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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 7:55:07 AM   
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Might have to postpone the surf carnival at North Wollongong for a few weeks

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 9:25:25 AM   
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He's coming for Oz, and he's coming fast.

How are your forts at Sydney and Melbourne?

If you haven't already, get all your engineers there asap

Worth remembering as well if you don't want to risk supplies or fuel being moved around Oz just when you don't want it, Tasmania makes an ideal base to store all of it and you just shuttle it across to Oz as and when required

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 10:38:31 AM   
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He's coming for Oz, and he's coming fast.

Too early to tell.
Taking low hanging fruits in SoPac is natural for the min-maxing player no matter his 42 goals. Close sub blockade in OZ is also a rational move since Allies do not have enough escorts/subchasers or trained ASW pilots yet to effectively repel it

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 12:29:10 PM   
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Taking Norfolk Island is a step further I think.

It forces convoys around the south of NZ or through the Cook Strait, and the first is a massively increased transit time and the 2nd easy to block with subs.

But there is a possibility that he's just going to grab Fiji.

But this looks like an "Grab Oz before the allies can reinforce" to me.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 7:51:49 PM   
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Not a lot to report on the 1/7 turn, but some HK refugee PTs did run into the big convoy below moving east. With such a light escort I suspect this is only supplies or transiting ships, but if they're moving from the DEI towards Truk/Rabaul that seems like one more indicator of his SoPac focus.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Sorong at 81,107, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Chitose Maru
xAK Kimishima Maru
xAK Africa Maru
xAK Iburi Maru
xAK Hiyoshi Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Tasmania Maru
xAK Yamagata Maru
xAK Sumanoura Maru
xAK Toba Maru
xAK Teihoku Maru
xAK Hauraki Maru
xAK Eiko Maru #2, heavy damage
xAK Ikuta Maru
xAK Kensin Maru
xAK Konsan Maru
xAK Manyo Maru
xAK Ronsan Maru
xAK Senyo Maru
xAK Tyuwa Maru
PB Ginyo Maru

Allied Ships
MTB 7
MTB 9
MTB 10
MTB 11
MTB 12

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 8:00:26 PM   
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He's coming for Oz, and he's coming fast.

How are your forts at Sydney and Melbourne?

If you haven't already, get all your engineers there asap

Worth remembering as well if you don't want to risk supplies or fuel being moved around Oz just when you don't want it, Tasmania makes an ideal base to store all of it and you just shuttle it across to Oz as and when required


Good point here, haven't started building that far back yet...have been building at Auckland, Suva and Townsville.

If he does focus on Australia it seems likely he would take Tasmania to use as a forward base most likely wouldn't he? Worried the supplies would get trapped there as he'll most likely be able to interdict even coastal shipping across the Bass Strait.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 8:02:13 PM   
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He's coming for Oz, and he's coming fast.

Too early to tell.
Taking low hanging fruits in SoPac is natural for the min-maxing player no matter his 42 goals. Close sub blockade in OZ is also a rational move since Allies do not have enough escorts/subchasers or trained ASW pilots yet to effectively repel it


I'm pretty sure all the subs are ones that start near PH, if the sole goals was to take advantage of limited ASW assets wouldn't that be the more logical place to employ them since so much Allied shipping goes through there? As is any convoy to the other Pacific bases like Samoa is basically unopposed.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 9:18:40 PM   
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Good point here, haven't started building that far back yet...have been building at Auckland, Suva and Townsville.

If he does focus on Australia it seems likely he would take Tasmania to use as a forward base most likely wouldn't he? Worried the supplies would get trapped there as he'll most likely be able to interdict even coastal shipping across the Bass Strait.


Have to be honest, you can't hold Townsville if he wants it, but losing Sydney and Melbourne would make it very hard for you to hold Oz.

If you've strong forts and few inland airbases he can't bombard, and decent numbers of land troops you can stop him dead in SE Oz.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/23/2019 10:15:40 PM   
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Good point here, haven't started building that far back yet...have been building at Auckland, Suva and Townsville.

If he does focus on Australia it seems likely he would take Tasmania to use as a forward base most likely wouldn't he? Worried the supplies would get trapped there as he'll most likely be able to interdict even coastal shipping across the Bass Strait.


Have to be honest, you can't hold Townsville if he wants it, but losing Sydney and Melbourne would make it very hard for you to hold Oz.

If you've strong forts and few inland airbases he can't bombard, and decent numbers of land troops you can stop him dead in SE Oz.

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A few years ago an IJ player went "All In" for OZ, landing in the North, down the west coast as far as Adelaide and down the East coast as far as Brisbane. He marched forward from there and pushed the allies so all they had was Melbourne and Sydney and a tenuous link between them. Thanks to an All-In Allied response at sea and careful withdrawal of Aussie units from forward positions the Allied player kept his "Pusan Perimeter" around Sydney and Melbourne and the Japanese suffered heavily.
IIRC, at the point that the Japanese were forced to withdraw the IJ player quit the game - too bad as the game might have been really interesting given the losses on both sides.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/24/2019 5:23:55 PM   
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A few years ago an IJ player went "All In" for OZ, landing in the North, down the west coast as far as Adelaide and down the East coast as far as Brisbane. He marched forward from there and pushed the allies so all they had was Melbourne and Sydney and a tenuous link between them. Thanks to an All-In Allied response at sea and careful withdrawal of Aussie units from forward positions the Allied player kept his "Pusan Perimeter" around Sydney and Melbourne and the Japanese suffered heavily.
IIRC, at the point that the Japanese were forced to withdraw the IJ player quit the game - too bad as the game might have been really interesting given the losses on both sides.


Very similar to what happened in my last game. Japanese had me penned in around Adelaide in the west and Newcastle in the north, but he couldn't stop the gradual allied build up.

Fought him off but it still took me to Sept 44 to beat him after a couple of bad carrier defeats (he quit due to supply issues)

Has to be said, if the Japanese player does that, he's trading supplies to try to get AV and it is to his credit that he keeps playing after that as the trade off is no chance of having supplies in the later game.


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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/24/2019 10:06:17 PM   
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He's coming for Oz, and he's coming fast.

Too early to tell.
Taking low hanging fruits in SoPac is natural for the min-maxing player no matter his 42 goals. Close sub blockade in OZ is also a rational move since Allies do not have enough escorts/subchasers or trained ASW pilots yet to effectively repel it

I'm pretty sure all the subs are ones that start near PH, if the sole goals was to take advantage of limited ASW assets wouldn't that be the more logical place to employ them since so much Allied shipping goes through there? As is any convoy to the other Pacific bases like Samoa is basically unopposed.

Not every convoy goes through PH, the ocean is vast, and far from the Japanese bases. But every convoy needs to go into one of the few OZ ports, with handy Rabaul/Noumea ports to reload subs.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 8/25/2019 10:30:46 PM   
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1/10:

KB has disappeared, last seen 2 days ago at Luganville. Could be moving north to cover a Wake landing or could be heading back to replenish. We're landing another USMC Def Bn at Wake, they should arrive tomorrow so we should be able to get them in before KB shows up.

Kaga & Friends moved south and hit Darwin. Not much there for them.

Fighter sweep over Rangoon two days ago; AVG went about 1:1 with them. Entire 17th Indian Div is now ashore.

Fortification building underway at all major Australian bases.

2x regiments of Americal Div. loading at SF for transit to SoPac.

Couple of DDs went past Norfolk to test his defenses. No reaction so a bombardment TF with NZ CLs and CA Astoria will move in to put that airstrip out of action and figure out what ground units he has there (base was occupied so didn't find out when he took it)

CA Chester was sunk by subs east of Fiji.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 9/6/2019 2:09:19 AM   
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Not a lot to report the last week. Batavia and Bataan have fallen which is a little unfortunate this early, but not a great deal we could have done I don't think.

First real interesting situation of the war has developed near Wake I.




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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 9/6/2019 10:32:14 AM   
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The first question the allied player should ask himself in 1942 is quite simple

Do you know where the KB is?

if the answer is "no", then the Portland Grp, the Concord Grp and the Yorktown should run east at full speed.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 9/6/2019 11:31:48 AM   
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A few years ago an IJ player went "All In" for OZ, landing in the North, down the west coast as far as Adelaide and down the East coast as far as Brisbane. He marched forward from there and pushed the allies so all they had was Melbourne and Sydney and a tenuous link between them. Thanks to an All-In Allied response at sea and careful withdrawal of Aussie units from forward positions the Allied player kept his "Pusan Perimeter" around Sydney and Melbourne and the Japanese suffered heavily.
IIRC, at the point that the Japanese were forced to withdraw the IJ player quit the game - too bad as the game might have been really interesting given the losses on both sides.


Very similar to what happened in my last game. Japanese had me penned in around Adelaide in the west and Newcastle in the north, but he couldn't stop the gradual allied build up.

Fought him off but it still took me to Sept 44 to beat him after a couple of bad carrier defeats (he quit due to supply issues)

Has to be said, if the Japanese player does that, he's trading supplies to try to get AV and it is to his credit that he keeps playing after that as the trade off is no chance of having supplies in the later game.




Has to be said that if the Japanese players quits after his all out gambit for autovictroy fails, he wasn't worth playing against in the first place.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 9/6/2019 11:53:41 AM   
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+1
A few years ago an IJ player went "All In" for OZ, landing in the North, down the west coast as far as Adelaide and down the East coast as far as Brisbane. He marched forward from there and pushed the allies so all they had was Melbourne and Sydney and a tenuous link between them. Thanks to an All-In Allied response at sea and careful withdrawal of Aussie units from forward positions the Allied player kept his "Pusan Perimeter" around Sydney and Melbourne and the Japanese suffered heavily.
IIRC, at the point that the Japanese were forced to withdraw the IJ player quit the game - too bad as the game might have been really interesting given the losses on both sides.


Very similar to what happened in my last game. Japanese had me penned in around Adelaide in the west and Newcastle in the north, but he couldn't stop the gradual allied build up.

Fought him off but it still took me to Sept 44 to beat him after a couple of bad carrier defeats (he quit due to supply issues)

Has to be said, if the Japanese player does that, he's trading supplies to try to get AV and it is to his credit that he keeps playing after that as the trade off is no chance of having supplies in the later game.




Has to be said that if the Japanese players quits after his all out gambit for autovictroy fails, he wasn't worth playing against in the first place.


I got the game till Sept 1944, and its safe to say both of us where exhausted and we both kept making silly mistakes.

I'll take Dec 1941-Sept 1944 in a game like this to be perfectly honest.

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RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesest... - 9/6/2019 1:55:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

The first question the allied player should ask himself in 1942 is quite simple

Do you know where the KB is?

if the answer is "no", then the Portland Grp, the Concord Grp and the Yorktown should run east at full speed.


Sorry that's extremely relevant info I forgot to include. Yes we do know location, it's about 10 hexes west of suva. We do not know location of mini-kb exactly but it was seen 3 days ago in DEI so could not be this far east. It's possible he detached a cv from main kb but this is most likely CVEs and maybe Shoho in my opinion.

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