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Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/2/2019 6:11:32 PM   
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One thing I've noticed in the database is that aircraft with laser guided bomb loadouts seem to always have the capability to lase the target themselves. Historically, however, this is not always the case. During Linebacker-era Vietnam, for example, a strike package of F-4s loaded with laser guided bombs might only have one or two PAVE KNIFE pods among a package of 4-8 strikers.

The absence of a self-lasing capability has a variety of tactical implications:

1) The strike package and supporting aircraft must protect the lasing platforms in order to achieve mission success.
2) The aircraft without the added weight and drag of the lasing pods are more maneuverable, and might possibly be able to carry a greater weapons load.
3) The lasing platforms must remain in the strike area until the last of the strikers has dropped its load, therefore they're among the most vulnerable aircraft.

Right now, the way the database is structured, if you lack a self-lasing capability you don't fly with that load. This neglects the possibility that there might be other ways (e.g. a drone, ground forces, other manned aircraft) of getting the necessary effects on target.

Can anyone point to a laser guided bomb loadout which doesn't include some self-lasing capability? I'm wondering if more loadouts of LGBs with no laser pod might emphasize more complex tactics integrating UAVs, ground forces and forward observation aircraft, while necessitating a greater supporting force to protect the lasers. Right now, everyone who flies can lase, and buddy lasing only happens if they can't lase themselves due to weather. While that's certainly one tactic, it isn't the only possible one.
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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/2/2019 8:58:40 PM   
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Hey SeaQueen,

i've seen some loadouts that require buddy illumination. One that comes to mind is the A-10A from the DB3000:

#445: A-10A Thunderbolt II

Aircraft Loadout:

GBU-10E/B LGB [Mk84]- Requires Buddy Illumination (Strike Land/Naval)

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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/2/2019 9:07:41 PM   
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Another one from the CWDB would be:

#3048: F-4D Phantom II (1972)

Aircraft Loadout:

GBU-10B/B LGB [Mk84], AN/ALQ-119 DECM Pod, Requires Buddy Illumination (Strike, Land/Naval)

The same DB entry also offers a buddy illumination loadout:

AN/AVQ-9 Pave Light Kit [EO] Buddy Illumination, AN/ALQ-119 DECM Pod (Buddy Illumination)

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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/2/2019 9:57:27 PM   
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Don't forget British Tornado/Buccaneer pair in 1991 Gulf war.

from DB3K
(#100) Tornado GR.1 - (#13804) CP-123 Paveway II LGB [1000lb GPB] - Requires Buddy Illumination

(#66) Buccaneer S.2B - (#13806) Pave Spike Pod [EO], Buddy Illumination

BTW, I wonder which mission is suitable to illuminator aircraft. What I came up with are:

A. Support mission - Circles around the target
B. Escort of striker's strike mission (does it work? I'm razy to test...)


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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/3/2019 4:32:07 PM   
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Typically this is possible because said aircraft have a laser designator onboard the aircraft, usually in the form of a targeting pod such as LANTIRN, LITENING, or Lockheed's Sniper. This makes perfect sense considering the benefits of being able to guide your payload yourself, and in CMANO when aircraft don't have such a pod on them they always tell you that they need external designation.

So, I don't really see a point to this thread in the Tech Support forum (let alone anywhere) as it's an already implemented feature that as far as I've seen works perfectly well as there are plenty of loadouts on many different aircraft that require buddy lasing. If you're using modern aircraft (typically past the year 2000) almost all of them have provisions to carry some sort of targeting pod on the aircraft in addition to the guided payload so you won't really see buddy lasing used as often.

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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/4/2019 12:41:27 PM   
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Perhaps the best solution would be to have designator pods marked as "optional" so if supply is limited the aircraft can still fly?

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RE: Precision Strike Loadouts that Require Buddy Lasing - 7/4/2019 5:02:42 PM   
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Or a cloned version of those loadouts can be created without the targeting pods, a much simpler solution. But again this is more of a feature request rather than a bug or tech support issue.

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