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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 9/27/2019 5:58:52 AM   
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Here's the view of Singapore right now. The supply has increased to 3 per hex so maybe I can do another attack soon. It's taking way longer to repair the rail than I thought it would take. I may have to replace all the Singapore attackers with some fresh divisions to keep the pressure on.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 9/27/2019 9:23:18 PM   
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I'm still fighting the partisans on Mindanao. I've had to ship in more troops twice now. But I'm on the verge of getting a handle on the situation. Clearing out the area around the Celebes is taking a lot longer than I had hoped.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/10/2019 2:49:00 PM   
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New moves from Don and it's 19April42 and I'm still repairing the rail to Singapore. This is taking a lot longer than I had planned. It's necessary to repair the rail to provide a route for rail embarked units to move further north easily and to facilitate the flow of supply for the units assaulting Singapore. I have no idea how much longer it's going to take to capture Singapore but I'm hoping it's not too much longer because I need that port and airfield.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/11/2019 1:54:10 PM   
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Eh, I suppose the game can't simulate the sudden morale drop of the garrison that led to the fall.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/23/2019 4:13:57 PM   
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Eh, I suppose the game can't simulate the sudden morale drop of the garrison that led to the fall.

(1) I'm not aware of a way to change the morale of specific units without changing the morale of the entire force. (2) And I'm not aware of how to withdraw the "old" unit and swap in a new one to replace it that has no supply and a very low rediness without knowing where to place the new unit, which can have only one spot for it if it doesn't move, which may be inconvient for the Allied player who has plans to evacuate the hex, for instance. (3) Maybe the effected units could start the game with 0 supply and very low rediness....but that would render Singapore a pushover before it truely was and therefore unrealistic. (4) Maybe it could be simulated by simply withdrawing the effected Allied units from Singapore on some given date...but that sounds a lot like overkill. (5) Maybe we could just eliminate the supply point at Singapore. I'm not sure how to treat the situation given the tools that TOAW currently has. I'm not at all sure that the scenario designer, Thomas Harvey, knows that it's a problem with the scenario. Maybe I should drop him a line or two and get his input.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 10:52:25 AM   
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Yeah, seems complicated.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 1:24:35 PM   
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(5) Maybe we could just eliminate the supply point at Singapore.


The 100 Allied supply point is located within Singapore. Suggest moving the point to a hex outside Singapore. Once this point is captured the “unsupplied” effects on the Allied defenders should simulate the degraded moral you want to model. Make the new supply “Allied Only” to prevent the Japanese from gaining a big boost in supply. It’s another TOAW design trade off.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 1:27:10 PM   
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Singapore




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 4:38:30 PM   
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But realistically the supplies would come into a port.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 4:39:58 PM   
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Singapore should not have fallen when it did. The Japanese were in worse shape than the defenders and in much smaller numbers. It is true that the defenders should not replenish their equipment and troops once cut off. Scenario design can do that if you know which units are cut off and stay cut off. Rather than try to guess correctly all of those situations it is better to require the attacker to prepare a massive force and attack quickly with multiple rounds of combat so the defenders have few if any turns to regain supply or equipment. Note there are mainly small supply ports so that would make recovery slower if the defenders do not have a large supply port.

An easy Japanese victory could be set up in many different ways in scenario design but would not be accurate.

What is needed is a very large force of Japanese power by land,sea and air to destroy the defenders. There are other locations on both sides that require the same attacks.


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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 6:03:22 PM   
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Certainly will not dispute the history of Singapore or your point of view. However, we do know that the British surrendered Singapore after a 7 day period of resistance. Your statement “An easy Japanese victory . . . would not be accurate” does not seem to reflect the actual event. Start: 8 Feb. Surrender: 15 Feb. Japanese casualties: 1714 KIA, 3378 wounded. Allied casualties: 5000 KIA & wounded, 85,000 captured. Casualty ratio: 17.6 to 1. An argument could be made that these stats describe a relatively quick and easy victory.

The solution presented was meant to answer the earlier question about how to model a drop in moral. Has nothing to do with forces involved or, easy or difficultly of a Japanese victory. As I stated initially, it’s just a tradeoff designed to achieve a desired effect.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 6:16:40 PM   
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I made a version of PAW that moves the supply point to one hex north of Singapore and I've attached it here on the next post below so we can all play with it.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/24/2019 6:17:22 PM   
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and here's the modified scenario attached here below.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/25/2019 12:30:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

I made a version of PAW that moves the supply point to one hex north of Singapore and I've attached it here on the next post below so we can all play with it.



Would be interested to hear your opinion on whether the change improved the scenario.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/31/2019 3:54:38 PM   
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New moves from Don and this is what Singapore looks like right now. The supply level isn't high enough for operations so I'm mainly just babysitting the defenders. I've been bombarding them with the naval forces present but that's not doing much. I would bomb them by air but I don't want the losses that would result. I'm wondering how much of Sumatra I need to clear. I'm not keen on converting all of the hexes of the island as that would tie up at least a couple of units for a protacted length of time. On the other hand there might be an Allied unit or two on the island so it really behooves me to clear the entire island. I wish there were some way we could do that using the aircraft. I suppose I COULD break down some of the units into pieces and convert the ialand faster. There is no rail to repair on Sumatra. I've already captured all the airports and ports on Sumatra. I suppose I need to garrison all the port hexes so that the Allies can't just sail a unit into it to capture it easily. That's a lot of units. Several divisions worth at least. I'll see if I can't find a tired division from somewhere that needs a protracted period of time to rest and refit. First I'll use the OOB to find a division with a lot of red units.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 10/31/2019 4:57:09 PM   
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The battle just north of Hanoi is a mexican standoff in that neither of us is making any headway. My units are too small to pack enough punch to make the Allied units move. We're just trading losses back and forth. I've been bombarding by air but that's not doing much. I don't have any ships that can reach that far inland so they are no help. The objective was to sieze the railroad so I'm needing more troops yet to capture the rail going to the east in this image. I'm not sure where those troops will come from. I've checked the expected reinforcements and there's a division scheduled to appear in India. I'm probably not going to get those units anytime soon.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 11/1/2019 9:12:20 AM   
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The battle just north of Bangkok is ongoing and I've seen the Allies move more Indian units to the area and British units are showing up. I need more troops to hold the line adequately. The supply situation is poor and I'd rather not get involved in a battle here.




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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 11/2/2019 9:28:55 AM   
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One of the side effects of wargames I've experienced is that they prompted me to learn more about the locations shown on the maps. The Pacific War, especially, as it seemed so exotic.

Turns out Rabaul was destroyed by a volcano in 1994 -- something that had happened already in 1937. I wonder if any Cargo Cults are still operating in New Guinea or the Solomons.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 11/2/2019 2:44:01 PM   
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Red China is attempting to move into Guadalcanal and Tulagi so it would appear the old battlefields still have strategic importance today.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 11/3/2019 8:16:55 AM   
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Red China is attempting to move into Guadalcanal and Tulagi so it would appear the old battlefields still have strategic importance today.


I heard about that as well. Sounds like Australia could use some Coastwatchers in those islands again.

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RE: Pacific at War 1941-1945 v.3.63 Don is Allies - 11/6/2019 12:16:55 AM   
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I would be willing to bet that there's someone on Tulagi that has an Iphone with a camera that is busy documenting the invasion of the Chinese.

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