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Installation, space and Steam - 6/10/2019 3:10:34 PM   
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Hello....What better place to ask the following info...but Matrix forums themselves...I'm ready to buy War in the Pacific Ad.Ed. but I have a few questions I wondered if anyone out there can assist me. This will be the first time I bought anything from Matrix. I have a Steam account and there is a button that says add games. Can I add my Matrix game to Steam. Suppose this question might be better on the Steam community. Sorry. In addition all my games are set to install in disc partition D on my laptop as opposed to C. I have an ASUS I5 notebook with Nvidia so I can play games using windows 10. Does this WitP ad.Ed allow you to install the game wherever you want it or is it destined to only be installed in disc C program files? How much space do I need to play this game in gigabytes/ or how big is this game in taking up gigabyte space? Does this game work alright with windows 10? I'm assuming wherever the game is installed there will be a shortcut to click. Sorry all my games are on steam and I'm just not familiar with installing Matrix. Probably people prefer to completely own their games so that's a good thing buying this game as opposed to Steam. I really want this game and the last thing I want is trouble getting it installed and set up correctly or some software glitch with windows 10 I wasn't aware of. This game isn't cheap. Any advice here would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/10/2019 3:46:58 PM   
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You cannot add WitP:AE to your Steam account/library; however, you can add a shortcut to the game in Steam so that it appears in your list of games in steam. This helps if you're used to using your Steam game list as a way to pick what to play.


Yes, the WitP:AE installer allows you to choose an install directory (including selecting which drive to use):




For reference, my current install directory of the game is 7.7GB, but of that:
1. 2.1GB (28%) is extra documentation/reference material I've added
2. I've added a lot of 3rd party art mods to the game at 1.6GB (21%)
3. The 3rd party utility WitP Tracker adds another 1.6GB
4. I use automated saves liberally which comes out to just under 1GB (12%)

My guesstimate for typical disk usage is between 3-4GB, sometimes less, depending upon how long you've been playing the game (save games) and what 3rd party art and utilties you decide to use.

The game works great with Windows 10, but it requires some 'switches' to be added to the game shortcut. These are essentially short text commands that are sent to the game's .exe file when you run the game. Some expertimentation will be required to get the right combo of switches for your computer. I developed an app to help with this; see my signature for a link and more info.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 2:40:19 AM   
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Hello....I downloaded your Seabee app and tried 920 x 1080 , 1600x 900 and nothing works to fit the game on my screen to fit it. It's strange because I usually use 1600 x900 on War in the east and west both work fine. I have a ASUS laptop windows 10 . The game just does not fit my screen ….too small no matter what I do. I cannot believe this game does not have a place to click on size of screen and resolution. I know you tried to fix this with your Seabee app but the screen always comes out like half the size of my screen (Which judging looks like 10 by 13 inches or so) I never measured it. I tried also this properties target thing and changed settings there still reacts the same way. How do you get a bigger screen to play the game on? ...this is frustrating. What other measurements should I try?

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 3:01:09 AM   
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Did you actually start a game? The menu always is displayed small, but when you start a game it should fill the screen.
this is the full screen menu




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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 3:01:42 AM   
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Here is the full screen game.





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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 3:23:50 AM   
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greenmoray1,

Is BillBrown correct that the smaller main menu threw you off, or is the game window also small?




BillBrown,

At what resolution do you play the game? I would be willing to make some custom 'map border' bars for you so you won't get those blank dark spots on the right side, if you'd like.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 3:36:43 AM   
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It doesn't bother me. I usually use a windowed version, 2540 x 1540

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 6:15:50 AM   
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When I try to use full screen the computer shows the tab for the game come up or it will show a black partial screen and I can hear the game starting up in the video movie but my computer freezes and I cannot use task manager to stop the game so I have to shut the computer off. That's with using Seabee app on that mode. When I use the Seabee app mode at 1600 x 900 which is what my computer screen display settings are the screen is smaller about half the size of my screen. It has the square to enlarge at the top but it just clicks it to another side with the same size. The best I can get is with 1600 x 900 but that is on the non patch version of the game with about 2-3 inches of black screen left.

I cannot be certain but I think when I first launched the game I had the full screen before the patch addition and after this not so.

I am not used to taking photos of my screen. Walk me through the steps to take the photo screenshot so I can show you my screen example.

With this Seabee app ….I followed exactly like the model was displayed in display settings cpu etc and it did not work....that's when the computer froze. settings were 1920 x 1080 which I have also used a lot switching sometimes between 1600 x900 and this. When I tried the patch shortcut without using Seabee app I could make the screen bigger with my display settings on my computer but it covered the game exit even with hiding task bar.

So the very first shortcut from my very first non patch installment gave me the best fit but could be better for sure at 1600 x900...and this same measurement on the patch version of the game was smaller. I don't have a clue why. Nothing makes sense to me.

That's my situation (about game /computer freezing ...did not happen on other display settings in Seabee or the patch shortcut or the original version shortcut. Yes there are 3 short cuts here. 1 original installment, 2 the patch installment and 3 Seabee app. Crazy.

Now tell me what to do so I can show you the screen shots.

In the mean time....I have an ASUS windows 10 zen laptop with gaming nvidia card no problems with games/ screen size I'm guessing 13 by 10 inch screen or slightly smaller... Computer is set for 1920 x 1080 but I like to set it on 1600 x 900 makes my text smaller and icons..what settings would you say fit this game..I experimented with many in seebea app and the patch and the original also using my computer settings when I wasn't using this seebee app.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 6:28:18 AM   
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quote:

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It doesn't bother me. I usually use a windowed version, 2540 x 1540


Chemkid created a set of "long" menu bars so they run along the whole width of the screen.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 6:31:08 AM   
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To answer your question Korvar my display settings are at 1600x900 but I guess for specific game purposes I can switch to 1920 x1080. That's what windows 10 recommends in general use of my windows 10 ASUS laptop. but 1600 x 900 comes out too small considerably so especially on the patch version fix of this game. Alittle bigger on the non patch version and small using seebee app. I play WitW and WitE and TOAW 4 all on 1600 x900 perfectly. I do not understand how or why I cannot get this game to fit decent display settings. And why does one measure on size of screen than the other if they are both the same setting numbers. driving me a bit out of my mind. Been up more than 12 hrs. dealing with this here in Thailand. tell me how to send you screenshots...yeah I know I should know how but I have never done so...thanks

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 6:40:10 AM   
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game window is also small. There was a pattern I saw and began to predict. The size of the loading screen would be same as the game screen. so no game screen smaller. I mean if I am playing on my ASUS windows 10 laptop using 1600 x900 settings all the time in use including my games ..and the screen is good ...how then can the screen be quite a bit smaller using the exact same settings ...tried it in sebee ap and also typed in target 1600 x900 also 1920 x 1080 which you would think definitely would work as it's bigger than 1600 x900...but still left a couple of inches of screen when launched. and actually not playable cannot read important stuf even after hiding task bar. Mystery to me. I'll restart my computer and try things again. This all started when I decide to add the linked patch and that's when my screen messed up. at first launch I think the screen fit well. I asked for another downloadable link but haven't received one back yet.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 6:58:02 AM   
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I run WITP:AE on a 15.6inch laptop in 1600x900 resolution inf fullscreen mode. Native resolution of my laptop screen is 1980x1020.

My switches look like this:
"C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -altFont -skipVideo -archive -deepColor -dd_sw -px1600 -py900

I suggest you:

1. Fresh install of WITP AE

2. Install the latest official patch (which enables fullscreen mode in non-standard resolutions) WITP Admiral's Edition v1.01.24 Official Update from here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/351/downloads/

3. Install the beta patch (optional)

4. Adjust your switches








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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 8:49:09 AM   
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my screenshot just using the patch link I downloaded from the forum here and no seebee app the display setting is 1600x 900 at maximum and the screen is smaller. I am currently using 1600 x900 settings for my laptop no problem with fitting display. greenmoray1

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 8:59:35 AM   
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Can you post the switches you use?

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 9:22:51 AM   
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This screenshot is with 1920 x1080 display settings maximum using new patch only no seebee app.
Cannot see jump map and other buttons...too long height wise . again my computer can fit into this display as well with no problem ..just icons a bit bigger is all.Why don't these settings work?



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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 9:32:19 AM   
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It will be very hard to diagnose the problem if you do not post your switches.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 9:37:57 AM   
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I think maybe this is the picture David is trying to post: the problem is that the forum doesn't support PNG files.



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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 9:51:01 AM   
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I clicked embedded pic in post but it doesn't show but they are here attached. The next is 1680 x1050 again screen too high cannot access things. I clicked embedded told it takes time. Again this screenshot is with just the patch added no seebee app...just me adjusting on my computer another setting. This is insane the game does not have a screen adjustment built into options




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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 9:54:29 AM   
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I clicked embedded pic in post but it doesn't show but they are here attached. The next is 1680 x1050 again screen too high cannot access things. I clicked embedded told it takes time. Again this screenshot is with just the patch added no seebee app...just me adjusting on my computer another setting. This is insane the game does not have a screen adjustment built into options

What are your command line switches? Can you post them here?

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 1:30:49 PM   
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FYI for posting screenshots:

larryfulkerson is correct, the forum is picky about what file types it will accept. Only gif/txt/jpg/zip are supported. For any non-image file types, just use a program like WinRAR to put them into a .zip file. For images, use an image hosting site such as imgur. Use the 'new post' green button in the top-left of the imgur website or just drag the image you want to upload over the website. A 'drop images here' popup window will appear. Once you've used the button or dragged at least one image to the site, it will take you to the 'new post' screen. There you can add and remove images, edit them, etc. Right-click one image and select 'Copy image location' or 'Copy image address' (the specific phrasing used will depend upon what browser you're using). Then use the 'image' button in the forum's post editor (or write it yourself) to create the image tags, then paste the image address in between them so you get something which looks like this:

[image]https://i.imgur.com/IBNwe7Z.png[/image]

(Note: You can use the 'Preview' button at the bottom to check if it's working correctly before posting it.)






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my display settings are at 1600x900 but I guess for specific game purposes I can switch to 1920 x1080


Your monitor's native resolution should be the highest resolution it can support, as that number is literally the physical number of pixels present on the screen. Lower resolutions can be used, but then the monitor is 'scaling' the image to fit its physical size. Typically this is done when everything (text, icons, etc.) is too small to use effectively when using the monitors 'native' resolution. The game is certainly capable of supporting many resolutions, so there's something specific to your computer setup that is throwing us off. My suspicion is there's some form of display scaling going on.


Here are a couple things to check/try:


Right-click any blank/open area on your desktop wallpaper. Then click 'Display Settings' as shown:




Check that you're not using any display scaling, then click 'Advanced display settings':




Check what resolution your monitor is actually using (you might also want to see what is the highest available):






Next, right-click your WitP:AE shortcut and click on 'Properties', then click on the 'Compatibility' tab and check the 'Disable display scaling on high DPI settings' box like so:




Also, make sure you used 'windowed' mode in SeaBee as follows:


(any of the 'windowed' options will do, also use the resolution appropriate for your monitor)

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 3:52:22 PM   
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I downloaded the base game 2009 file and installed that. The game window is in the center but not full screen. I do not know what the display settings are for this as it is just whatever generic settings that come with the game. I want to make the game not so slow and better screen. I downloaded the patch update for 2015 but the newest one I couldn't install kept saying something about archive whenever I tried to unzip it. And with the update it starts and then says something about retry and cancel and will install after reboot ..then I click cancel and it starts installing and then that finishes. But where do I look to see if the game really updated this patch. Then assuming it did update I downloaded the file for Seabees and here is where I get confused. What is this file. Once I'm done with it and I choose the switches in the Seabee menu which are windowed and 1920 x1080 yes and click on the shortcut and the shortcut is white not regular. So I check the switches on this shortcut by right clicking on it and then run as administrator on this same short cut but it acts like it's installing an update again and it does not launch the game and so I go ahead and it's like I'm installing all the time and not launching the game. So now I have 2 shortcuts one that launches the game that is the base game and the other that says or asks me where the file is to launch the game and I find the exe for the base game and it says it has an error. I don't understand what or how to use the function of this Seabee download since I have the base game already installed. Everytime I run into the same problem. It would be 10 billion times easier 1. if this game had a game display screen adjustment in the options menu and 2 if someone could just lay out the steps for me to follow but with one shortcut not 2 or even three. That's where I get lost. And if you think this is normal method for gaming installing....no way ..this whole thing with adding and seems to me like writing code (call it what you want but I do not know what to write here. other than the display settings. Oh yeah and then when I do write what are switches I get this that is invalid bs....guys I dont' care how you think this is a breeze ...you got to be kiddin me. I just want the game to fit my screen and play it. These things to do are not easy for me.

Lastly the switches for the Seabee shortcut are "D:\Pacific only\updates\WarinthePacificAdmiral'sEdition-UpdateComp-v1124.exe" -wd -pxf1920 -pyf1080 -deepColor -dd_sw -altFont -archive


That's what is written in the target space


Start in "D:\Pacific only" (Pacific only is a folder I made is disc D where my free space is) and I clicked maximized... all of the words in target etc I read ...I did not write this in any of it.


Now in shortcut that has the base game the target folder on properties right click says "D:\Pacific only\autorun.exe"and in start it says "D:\Pacific only"

That's it 2 different shortcuts and when I click on the Seabee one it goes to like it's installer again like a repeat of what I already did. and the first base game shortcut ...well that will launch but the whole idea is to play the patch update version game and have a little better speed and display settings right? Just for fun I will let this update install again....that's where I'm at. you got the switches too

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/13/2019 4:00:38 PM   
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quote:

Lastly the switches for the Seabee shortcut are "D:\Pacific only\updates\WarinthePacificAdmiral'sEdition-UpdateComp-v1124.exe"

This is for the shortcut to the Seabee's program and what we need to see is the switches for launching the WITP-AE game engine. Don't use the autorun.exe thingie....point your game engine shortcut to the directory that has the executable, probably the "beta2" directory. And the "start in" probably has to be the root directory for the game.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/14/2019 12:53:09 PM   
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I scrapped all of my previous WitPAE content. Started over. This is for Larry but all others too. (I wrote another msg before but I think it didn't get posted...but if it did it's the same type of msg.)

I downloaded the base game and the April 2015 update

I have one shortcut

My switches are : (I did not write this, it's just what it says)
D:\Pacifik\autorun.exe

Start in: D:\Pacifik

normal window


You tube guy called uncle timo has these switches: 6 min. video titled War in the pacific HOW to install up to the latest beta patch

C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\ Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe"-f-dd_sw-deepColor-fixedArt-SingleCpuOrders-archive-altFont-px1920-py1080-skipVideo

I use "D\ not C (all my games and space is in disc D)

Contacted Slitherine guy who gave these switches: C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -w -px1920 -py1080 -dd_sw -deepColor

He added, Please note that the -px1920 and -py1080 it's for the case if your desktop screen resolution is 1920x1080. If you have a different one, change px and py values accordingly.


I tried his by typing in my one and only shortcut but it came back invalid path. I put in D instead of C maybe that's why it didn't work. I installed both the base game and the update in 2 separate folders in disc D....the update was in the Pacifik folder in its own separate folder. I figure it may have said invalid path because I didn't type in Pacifik to where it goes to... I don't know. But the switches the slitherine guy gave me were rejected path invalid. Is it just because I ues D or typed D instead of C. I have no room in C.


I'm waiting to hear back from this slitherine guy.


Help me understand something: Now this is going to be kind of obvious to you I guess but here goes.....The uncle Timo guy on you tube has 2 shortcuts 1 being the vanilla game no beta/ and 2 the more updated and advanced beta 2 game for modern computers. Now does he have 2 whole games and one is a more advanced version because it includes updates etc, or does he have just the one game and the beta2 launches both games and the updated advanced stuff because he clicked on the beta 2 shortcut. Not 2 separate whole games right, or am I wrong? To me an update is a piece of a game or an improvement but not the whole game. But yet he has 2 shortcuts. It has to be that that beta2 shortcut activates both the base game vanilla and the added modern stuf ....or am I all wrong. It's the 2 shortcuts that I'm not used to. Ok say your talking about civ5 but you only have the vanilla base game ....you don't have the DLC for gods and kings but the DLC is added into the vanilla game but you only have one icon shortcut not two.


Please explain beta 2 and the relations to the base game in terms of how they work and clarify whether if each shortcut is a whole game /on with no updatesie vanilla and one with all updates modern....or a game an a piece of a game to combine somehow. ...I'm guessing that has to do with the switches on the modern game or shortcut beta2 icon to click to run well.


I did not edit this because the last time I did i lost everything using preview .


Can anyone tell me how to use the post writing in this to be able to write where you can see or use margins and follow your writing...just a thought.


Lastly my display settings I checked nothing locked ...all is good


All I have done is install base/vanilla game and April 2015 update and I have one shortcut and I don't have a beta2 shortcut ...nor am I using sebee app yet.


you have the switches ..mine....uncle timo suggestions....and slitherine guys


I think what uncle timo is doing is right but ...i need the step by step ..to get it right.


I think you guys like tinkering with things in games and especially this dinasaur gem. Me....I just want to play them. Why didn't the makers of this game put in adjustable screen fixes and color etc. into the options /preferences section? I have seen other game makers improve the inner workings of a gem. I guess they want to keep it with a niche group. They know the ones who play this have the patience to tinker around it.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/14/2019 1:20:09 PM   
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HI David:
Sorry you're having so much trouble getting set up.

The autorun.exe is for launching the lobby for the game and isn't the game per se so don't point your shortcut to the autorun.exe, instead point it at the game executable ( War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe, in the root directory where you installed it ). So that your target should be something like this:

D:\Matrix Games\"War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition"\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -f-dd_sw-deepColor-fixedArt-SingleCpuOrders-archive-altFont-px1920-py1080-skipVideo

And when you install the patch the installer writes a new directory called "Beta2" that holds the updated game engine ready to go. So your second shortcut could be used to execute the updated game instead of the vanilla version. The target for the updated version should look something like this:

D:\Matrix Games\"War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition"\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -f-dd_sw-deepColor-fixedArt-SingleCpuOrders-archive-altFont-px1920-py1080-skipVideo

Please notice that the only change is to include the new directory. Between the "exe" and the "-f" there needs to be a space.

So you'll end up with two shortcuts, one that starts the vanilla version and one that starts the updated version. I wish I had done that when I installed my setup.

Unfortunately, I've overwritten the original exe game engine so now I can only run the updated version. D'oh. The install program is on a CD and I now have a new computer that doesn't have a CD drive on it. D'oh.

I hope this helps.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/14/2019 1:39:41 PM   
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HI David:
Sorry you're having so much trouble getting set up.

The autorun.exe is for launching the lobby for the game and isn't the game per se so don't point your shortcut to the autorun.exe, instead point it at the game executable ( War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe, in the root directory where you installed it ). So that your target should be something like this:

D:\Matrix Games\"War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition"\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -f-dd_sw-deepColor-fixedArt-SingleCpuOrders-archive-altFont-px1920-py1080-skipVideo

And when you install the patch the installer writes a new directory called "Beta2" that holds the updated game engine ready to go. So your second shortcut could be used to execute the updated game instead of the vanilla version. The target for the updated version should look something like this:

D:\Matrix Games\"War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition"\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -f-dd_sw-deepColor-fixedArt-SingleCpuOrders-archive-altFont-px1920-py1080-skipVideo

Please notice that the only change is to include the new directory. Between the "exe" and the "-f" there needs to be a space.

So you'll end up with two shortcuts, one that starts the vanilla version and one that starts the updated version. I wish I had done that when I installed my setup.

Unfortunately, I've overwritten the original exe game engine so now I can only run the updated version. D'oh. The install program is on a CD and I now have a new computer that doesn't have a CD drive on it. D'oh.

I hope this helps.

friends,
larry

If you have the CD, you can get the game download from the Matrix site by putting in the game Serial # from the CD.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/14/2019 1:41:26 PM   
larryfulkerson

 

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If you have the CD, you can get the game download from the Matrix site by putting in the game Serial # from the CD.

Ah so.....thank you berry much. Have a wonderful day.

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RE: Installation, space and Steam - 6/14/2019 5:22:28 PM   
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Larry I understand what you are saying but what I really need is

to know exactly what to put into the target box and start in box and whether it is normal or maximum on the vanilla game and the same exact thing for the Seabee shortcut target slots and start in and normal or maximum for that one

I tried again these switches you recommended and again it says invalid path etc on both of these shortcuts. And no I did not use auto run I typed in the executable and then the info you wrote. and still it always says invalid path

Is this about using disc D ….that the game is set to C and rejects D?

Once again....I downloaded the base game into a file called Pacifik (sp to differentiate) and everything else into that same folder in disc D ...it is all there ...the vanilla game and the update for April 2015 and Seabee is in a file in Pacifik called C-bee and I put fullscreen and 1920x1080 …..what is going on …..over and over it says invalid path....what am I not seeing ….anyone know.? I'm following what the Slitherine guy tells me , what you tell me and still invalid path ...problem with shortcut....something on my computer ..a glitch that won't accept this....I don't get it. help please ...would be appreciated here. I have 2 shortcuts ...one base game vanilla and one Seabee ...Slitherine guy just wrote back to me and says it does not matter where you download the Seabee or game files ….so now I'm really confused ...about invalid path

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