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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 3:16:24 PM   
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Learning the game goes hand in hand with playing the game, to try and learn the game and then play it is futile.

You can make your turns as shallow or as deep as you want.

Play some of the short scenarios or...

Start a campaign game as the Allies. Suffer the SURPRISE attack at Pearl, being new to the game adds to it. You are now at war. By the summer of '42 you will have a basic understanding. A campaign allows for a continuous beginner's format.

Even one who has played for years still learns in this game.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 3:37:04 PM   
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MakeeLearn is right - you learn by playing.

I learned the game well enough to play (I say that because this is one of those games where you never stop learning) by jumping straight into the grand campaign, but by leaning heavily on Kull's excellent beginning turn spreadsheet for the Allies. You want to play the Allies while learning because Japan has a more complex economic model which you don't want to tackle until you get comfortable with the rest of the game.

The beginning turn takes much longer than most turns, but the spreadsheet helps break it up into manageable chunks. It gives you specific instructions about what order to issue to EVERY SINGLE UNIT on the map. What I would do is sit down and tackle one portion of the map (the spreadsheet allows you to filter and sort) such as the Philippines and work through the spreadsheet line by line until all the orders were issued for that region. Over a course of a few days for an hour or two at a time, I worked my way through the spreadsheet until it was done. By the time I was done, I had practiced issuing orders for every unit type and base well enough that I had developed the muscle memory to know how to continue playing the game on my own.

So I would say just focus on learning the game interface at first - don't worry about strategy and whatnot until you have a good handle on how to interact with the game. The spreadsheet will cover you on strategy and will set things up for you to have a good game moving forward.

Oh, and another important step - SAVE the "completed" first turn when you finish (but before you hit the next turn button). That way if you decide to start over at some point, you don't need to redo the entire first turn again.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 3:42:58 PM   
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Yeah, not looking for casual play looking to dive deep into something that will keep my busy but don't want to jump into the deep end all at once lol...



I think another thing very important is if you like this theatre of war, reading books and play this game is very appealing, not sure if you no have interest in it. IMHO

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 4:07:51 PM   
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Reading books to supplement the game is essential




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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 5:08:34 PM   
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I do, very much so... But I like more battle oriented books and not so much on the books that rely on heavy politcal aspects of the why,what,where,and when pertaining to the war. I was never really interested in war and history till recently. I have grown very fond of it and am now looking to not only learn but play genre of games that are oriented toward the same...

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 5:09:19 PM   
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Reading books to supplement the game is essential




That is great lol

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 5:16:36 PM   
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Ok I bit the bullet I just picked it up plus for an extra 15 I upgraded to boxed too so i can get the manual as well as opposed to reading it in pdf format.. PLease tell me how to install the map mods and also is it recommendd getting SeaBee and do I install that first before WiTP?

P.S. does the game come updated or do I need to download and manually update the game before Install any mods?

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 5:39:12 PM   
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To get the base game started and updated to the latest beta patch, here's the rough outline:

Go to the "Members" section of this website.




Log into your account via the "Members Login" box on the top right side.





Find "War in the Pacific - Admiral's Edition" in the list of games. Copy your game key to a notepad or word file (or even write it down if you prefer), then click on the "Downloads" link.




Edit: updated to point to latest 1126b beta file.

Download both the "Installer" file as shown in the picture below (ignore the crossed-out box) and the "Open Beta Update v1.01.26b" files available on the forums here.




Install the game using the "Installer" file first, then install the beta patch afterwards. Use the game key you copied from the prior step. At this point you should have the base game installed. Try running the game just to see if it works - note that the resolution won't be right yet, and it may act sluggish.

Then you'll be ready to download and run SeaBee. Let's get the base game installed before we go too far, though. If you run into any snags with the install process, just let us know.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 5:46:03 PM   
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Ok I am downloading the game and do I need to run that exe file then do what you told me or just what you told me to do without running WarinthePacifiAD.exe file?

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:21:21 PM   
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From the "Installer" .zip file download, extract the .exe file (
"WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-SetupRelease-v10079DR.exe") and run it to install the base game.

Do the same with the beta patch file after the base install has completed. The beta file is "WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-UpdateComp-v1126a.exe".

Be mindful that the beta patch doesn't overwrite the base game .exe file; instead, it installs a parallel .exe file in the "Beta2" subdirectory. You'll want to make sure that you run the beta .exe to run the game, although you have the option of running the original version of the game if the need should ever arise. Don't worry, SeaBee will help you create the shortcut to the right .exe file.

Let me know when you get both of these installed successfully, then we'll move on to the next step.


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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:23:32 PM   
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Ok so dont run the base exe file that I originally downloaded when I purchased game? Run the installer zip and extract that exe file instead correct? I think I understand now. Doing it as we speak...

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:23:39 PM   
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A few comments:

1) There are three things you want to do after installing the base game:
- Add the unofficial beta path. It fixes a host of problems. It installs into a different directory from the main exe, so pay careful attention to setting up the Desktop Shortcut
- Speaking of which, getting switches right can be tricky, so definitely use Korvar's Seabee to help with this.
- Update the Script AI. The base game comes with the 2007 AI, but a lot has been done since then. As you'll see from the link, there's a LOT to update, so it might be easier to update only the scenario you plan to start with (although if you move on to another one, you'll have to remember to get the update for that). This is particularly important if you are a solo player. However, if you soon plan to play PBEM, it's really optional.

2) Start with several of the smaller scenarios. You can jump into the main campaign, but even a simple one like "Aleutians" can help with the learning curve.

3) The War Room has lots of helpful threads. When questions arise, the answers can often be found there.

4) Do NOT start as Japan. It's like skipping high school football and going straight to the NFL.

Most important, don't get frustrated. There's always an answer, so enjoy the ride!

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:26:21 PM   
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The .exe that you downloaded when purchasing the game is probably the same file (WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-SetupRelease-v10079DR.exe). It's been so long since I used the original download link that it makes it difficult for me to guide you through that method. As long as the file name is what I listed, then you're good no matter which method you get it from Matrix.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:30:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kull

A few comments:

1) There are three things you want to do after installing the base game:
- Add the unofficial beta path. It fixes a host of problems. It installs into a different directory from the main exe, so pay careful attention to setting up the Desktop Shortcut
- Speaking of which, getting switches right can be tricky, so definitely use Korvar's Seabee to help with this.

********************************************

- Update the Script AI. The base game comes with the 2007 AI, but a lot has been done since then. As you'll see from the link, there's a LOT to update, so it might be easier to update only the scenario you plan to start with (although if you move on to another one, you'll have to remember to get the update for that). This is particularly important if you are a solo player. However, if you soon plan to play PBEM, it's really optional.

2) Start with several of the smaller scenarios. You can jump into the main campaign, but even a simple one like "Aleutians" can help with the learning curve.

3) The War Room has lots of helpful threads. When questions arise, the answers can often be found there.

4) Do NOT start as Japan. It's like skipping high school football and going straight to the NFL.

Most important, don't get frustrated. There's always an answer, so enjoy the ride!



Antmf_slith, the above is all good stuff. I put the line of "*********" to delineate what I've described so far and what are "next steps" beyond that.

Edit: There will be a bit of an experimental process with SeaBee to figure out exactly which combination of .exe switches will make your game run best - thus why I haven't discussed other topics such as updating the AI or scenario database files.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:30:37 PM   
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Ok did that and yes it was the same file... I am now updating it with beta patch. What do i do next?
BTW I installed the update but dont see a beta 2 sub dir within the Matrix/WiTP folder

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:34:29 PM   
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SeaBee is next - download it from HERE. There's no install process with it other than extracting the files... just run the SeaBee.exe file.


Before that, you probably want to run the game at least once using the beta .exe file, just to get a feel for how the game runs in the "default" configuration, so you'll have a baseline for comparison when you begin making the custom shortcuts.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:36:54 PM   
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I dont see a sub dir names beta but when I went to run update again it said I am already updated to 1.01.26A.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:39:30 PM   
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Don't run the beta installer .exe, run the "War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" file in the "Beta2" sub-directory of the game directory.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:49:33 PM   
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Now Im confused... I should havve run the update.exe file after downloading it? Sorry if Im making you nuts :(
I installed base game by running the exe file, then I ran the update exe file and after running that it appeared to have updated the game but dont see a sub dir named beta in WiTP dir.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:54:01 PM   
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The beta2 icon doesn't appear unless you install the "unofficial beta 1126b" patch. But don't worry about that patch. Just get up and running with the "official beta 1126a" first....GP

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:55:30 PM   
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I ran a quick test, and if you download the beta patch from the link I posted earlier AND install it into your "War in the Pacific Admiral Edition" root folder, it definitely creates a folder called Beta2.

As to your earlier query on map mods - don't worry about that now, as most of them can be swapped in and out during a campaign. For example, I've used three different mods in my current campaign.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:55:54 PM   
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There is no "update.exe" - only one installer for the base game (WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-SetupRelease-v10079DR.exe) and one installer for the beta update (WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-UpdateComp-v1126a.exe).

You should have gone through one install process and one separate update process which have windows that look like this:






Edit: these are the two files that you downloaded from the Matrix member's page (they come as .zip files that you have to unzip before running them).

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:56:45 PM   
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I did run the beta.exe ( WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-UpdateComp-v1126a.exe) file and it appeared to have updtaed the base game but I do not see any sub dir named beta after I ran patch... Am I supposed to run game first then exit out?

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 6:57:16 PM   
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When you launch the game you should have a version number in the upper right corner of the display. What does it say?....GP

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:02:15 PM   
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If you see this screen when you run the WarinthePacificAdmiralsEdition-UpdateComp-v1126a.exe file (hit the "Next" button once), you should have the Beta2 subdirectory:




The 3rd folder down from the top - don't worry if you don't have all the folders/files I do, I've installed extra stuff that you won't have yet


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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:06:57 PM   
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Antmf_slith, I'll need to step away for awhile... the other gents here can help you in the meantime, and I'll return as soon as possible to help if any is needed at that point.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:11:25 PM   
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1.811.26a is the version I have running now but it seems it did not install it to a beta dir. It is the main exe file.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:12:45 PM   
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One very, very simple method to deal with the Beta update creating a subfolder with the beta executable is to move, or copy the beta executable into the root game folder replacing the original executable.

That way you don't have to repath your desktop shortcut to the beta folder.

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:12:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kull

A few comments:

1) There are three things you want to do after installing the base game:
- Add the unofficial beta path. It fixes a host of problems. It installs into a different directory from the main exe, so pay careful attention to setting up the Desktop Shortcut
- Speaking of which, getting switches right can be tricky, so definitely use Korvar's Seabee to help with this.
- Update the Script AI. The base game comes with the 2007 AI, but a lot has been done since then. As you'll see from the link, there's a LOT to update, so it might be easier to update only the scenario you plan to start with (although if you move on to another one, you'll have to remember to get the update for that). This is particularly important if you are a solo player. However, if you soon plan to play PBEM, it's really optional.

2) Start with several of the smaller scenarios. You can jump into the main campaign, but even a simple one like "Aleutians" can help with the learning curve.

3) The War Room has lots of helpful threads. When questions arise, the answers can often be found there.

4) Do NOT start as Japan. It's like skipping high school football and going straight to the NFL.

Most important, don't get frustrated. There's always an answer, so enjoy the ride!



Wow, I thought in the patches everything was updated, thanks for your AI Files post

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RE: How is this game? - 5/24/2019 7:19:11 PM   
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1.811.26a is the version I have running now but it seems it did not install it to a beta dir. It is the main exe file.


If you click on the WITPAE desktop icon and the game starts up and runs, then your good. All you need to do now is install SeeBee per the directions and setup your switches. It may take several tries to get the switches working right....GP

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