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The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 1:09:30 PM   
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The Chinese navy, which is growing faster than any other major fleet, now controls the seas off its coast. Once dominant, the United States and its allies sail warily in these waters. A former U.S. naval officer says China's advances have caught America napping.
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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 1:31:03 PM   
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All authoritarian leaders have that tendency of strong-arming their neighbors. Helps mobilize the inner base. And does not end well all the time...

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 1:58:25 PM   
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Why should China not control the seas off its coast?

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 2:46:33 PM   
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Why should China not control the seas off its coast?

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Maybe because those seas are occupied by other sovereign countries.........

"in before the 'no politics clause' locks the thread".

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 2:50:03 PM   
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To say that Chinese advances caught America napping is inaccurate. To say American Politicians want to spend money on other things would be more far more accurate. For the most part the politicians are ok with massive Chinese spying on American technology too.

And China controlling their own waters....no problemo, that is the job of every state. But I suspect the article is more about Chinese Naval power projection outside of their own waters.









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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 3:00:55 PM   
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The article is highlighting the shift over the past two decades of China's area denial capabilities in regards to the waters near it's Coast (Taiwan, Spratly Islanda, Korea), making American security commitments there increasingly tough, as well as the emergence of an effective blue water fighting force becoming more capable over the past 10 years and into the next decade as it pushes into peripheral areas beyond the South China Sea and into the Indian Ocean

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 3:19:35 PM   
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Why should China not control the seas off its coast?

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Problem is China's interpretation of where "its coast" ends

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 5:46:57 PM   
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2 Related Articles from the USNI Proceedings

Why We Defend Free Seas

The South China Sea Needs a ‘COIN’ Toss

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 6:23:19 PM   
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Why should China not control the seas off its coast?


China building full fledged islands out of tidal shoals, fortifying said islands and then claiming territorial sea around them is more control than any other nation has ever claimed and essentially negates what has been the internationally recognized law of the sea for the last 200-300 years or so.

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 7:05:11 PM   
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Why should China not control the seas off its coast?


China building full fledged islands out of tidal shoals, fortifying said islands and then claiming territorial sea around them is more control than any other nation has ever claimed and essentially negates what has been the internationally recognized law of the sea for the last 200-300 years or so.

No worries, we'll just boost our CO2 and Methane output and make the sea level rise enough to submerge those new islands!

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 7:25:17 PM   
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Just have a little rock from space make a crater where said island is. Rinse and repeat as necessary . . .

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/14/2019 7:28:16 PM   
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No worries, we'll just boost our CO2 and Methane output and make the sea level rise enough to submerge those new islands!


Hai! More cow **** and beer farts for freedom!

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/15/2019 6:23:19 PM   
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All authoritarian leaders have that tendency of strong-arming their neighbors. Helps mobilize the inner base. And does not end well all the time...

Reminds you of the US, eh? It's called "fighting with your own mirror reflection".

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/15/2019 6:24:57 PM   
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All authoritarian leaders have that tendency of strong-arming their neighbors. Helps mobilize the inner base. And does not end well all the time...

Reminds you of the US, eh? It's called "fighting with your own mirror reflection".



I think they called that "shadow boxing" in the old days.

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/15/2019 7:26:22 PM   
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All authoritarian leaders have that tendency of strong-arming their neighbors. Helps mobilize the inner base. And does not end well all the time...


What the leaders try to do is to divert attention from internal problems to a perceived eternal problem. That helps to unite the population against the perceived threat. Note: This could also be used against an internal minority which may then be treated as an "enemy" instead of some of their own people.

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/15/2019 8:37:13 PM   
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All authoritarian leaders have that tendency of strong-arming their neighbors. Helps mobilize the
inner base. And does not end well all the time...

Some even strong-arm those not being their neighbors....Hmm, who could that be - and, so true..

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RE: The China Challenge (OT) - 5/16/2019 5:44:24 PM   
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Regardless of the false equivalencies people make in this thread, the reports are there to be read and interpreted however you wish.

2019 DoD Chinese Military Report

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