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Barents Sea Boomers - 5/13/2019 7:51:17 PM   
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I only have two subs to control - this is going to be interesting.




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/13/2019 7:51:44 PM   
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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/13/2019 7:52:07 PM   
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Thoughts on the Soviets




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/13/2019 10:26:43 PM   
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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/14/2019 2:29:24 PM   
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Good point, I will try to leave the HMS Warspite and the Swiftsure alone.




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/14/2019 2:53:56 PM   
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Some thoughts




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/14/2019 3:11:38 PM   
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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/14/2019 8:53:53 PM   
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You may want to make some planning assumptions to narrow down your statement that the SSBNs could be anywhere. If they were at the two Datum points 12 hrs ago, you need to ask yourself a couple questions:

-what speed will the be traveling
-what are they going to be trying to do

I think it is safe to assume that they will be trying to hide and therefore go slow <5knts

So @5knts over 12 hours they will be a maximum of 60nm from the datum points.

Draw yourself a circle of RPs to mark that limit and you will be able to narrow your search to that area. Add 5 knt to the circle every hour that passes.

You should be able to draw conclusions on depth as well.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/15/2019 11:29:23 PM   
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Bart,

Very good point. I will add that to my plan.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/15/2019 11:59:40 PM   
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Taking this advice into account...




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/16/2019 10:17:22 AM   
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Things have been quiet so far, no big surprise




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/16/2019 8:48:51 PM   
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Sounds like you caught the contacts in you CZ and a combination of your and their movement means they exit the detection zone of the CZ.

A good tactic if you can afford the time is to keep the contact in the CZ by adjusting your movement, then close on the contact with your other sub. Very time consuming but keeps you with the upper hand for information.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/21/2019 5:24:31 PM   
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Bart,

Good idea, thanks.

Another contact ...




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/21/2019 5:25:01 PM   
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a little later




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/21/2019 5:25:29 PM   
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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/21/2019 8:03:51 PM   
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Found one!




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 1:47:24 AM   
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Lining up for the shot...




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 3:28:03 AM   
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Great write up.

I have played this scenario more than half dozen times recently. This was my first venture into subs in Command (I'm new player)

First few times it was sudden death for me via torpedoes.

Eventually I did find and destroyed all required Soviet subs. Last time I played I went after Soviet ships and sunk 12 of them then run out of Mk48's

Got major victory for that one even though IMHO it should not have been a victory as I failed the primary mission.

Overall interesting scenario even if there are only two units.


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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 9:31:17 AM   
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Dragnaath,

I'm glad you are enjoying the write up. It helps me think through the problems as I play.

I thought about the idea of taking out all the Soviet ships - as that sounds like fun. I may try that next time.

I'm pretty new to this game too. I'm enjoying the game and the forum. As an army guy, it is a challenge to try and fight navy and air battles, they are so different than land battles.

Have a good day,



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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 9:32:21 AM   
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Got the Delta! One down




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 9:42:43 AM   
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Trouble is brewing




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 11:17:36 AM   
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Keep 'em coming!

Great descriptions and your screenshots are very helpful. I'm enjoying this.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 11:55:56 AM   
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Careful with the "depth is safe" assumption, sonobuoys can deploy both over and under the layer, and TASS/VDS sonar both listens under the layer in tandem with the ship's hull sonar and has no baffles blind zone.

So, ironically, if you are shadowing an advanced ASW unit, you are sometimes safer over the layer; since you can go in to his baffles only in that depth bracket.

By the way most of the soviet ASW ships in this scenario are NOT advanced so you are probably safer deep under, but you still have to worry about sonobuoys, also remember that where there is an active sonobuoy, almost always are plenty of passive ones you cannot see; so be very careful.

I don't know how realistic it is (perhaps a submariner in the forum can tell us), but I have found in numerous occasions that the only way to survive an intense air ASW search (the dreaded "blanket of sonobuoys") is going within the layer and keep it slow.

Of course you are mostly blind yourself (albeit if you are carrying a TASS you can still listen under the layer, and of course you can stop and go to periscope for some minutes every now and then) but for transit and evasion it has become my SOP, because I have found no other effective means of survival.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/22/2019 11:22:56 PM   
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C3K and Ancalagon451,

Thanks for the kind words and ideas. Dealing with the sonobouy is going to be a good challenge. As the post above said, my initial thought was to go deep and slow. I've been reading posts in the war room and think that maybe trying to get into the layer is a really good idea (Ancalagon451, sounds like you are right.)

As always, I wish I had more time to play...

Have a good day,

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/23/2019 12:43:34 AM   
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I tried to avoid contact, many times, but the Whale got hit and sunk... Damn.




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/23/2019 6:58:55 PM   
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The Tunny has been searching for the other Delta since the Whale was sunk. Not much happened, and then it got busy!




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/24/2019 9:55:30 AM   
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Not long after




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/24/2019 9:56:36 AM   
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My AAR.

Now I have to decide if I go back to finding the Delta and trying to track it or to move to the next scenario.




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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/24/2019 12:00:48 PM   
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One thought is that in a contested area such as this, using your Subroc gaves the bad guys instant information on where you are.

Engaging with a torpedo exposes you to passive sonars that are in range to hear the transient - it is dangerous yes; but if you're right up the baffles of the target you have a decent chance of getting away undetected, that is if you remain undetected getting into his baffles. Results may vary based on your opponent!

Firing your Subroc however, allows every surface and airborne radar in the area to pinpoint the exact spot where you are at that instant, and really narrows down their search area.

Just a thought.

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RE: Barents Sea Boomers - 5/25/2019 12:00:19 AM   
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Bart,

Very good point!

I decided to retry from the point of discovery of the first Delta. I stayed away from the Subroc...




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