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A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 8:08:06 AM   
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Is there a list of some sorts wich helps to decide what altitude to fly wich includes all aircraftroles and attacktypes ( diveboming, torpedo, glidebomb, ... )

For example, I read somewhere that you can skipbomb from under 1000ft, but I can't find a list anywhere.

If not, i'd be very gratefull if anyone could post all types and their altitude.
I find bits and pieces here and there on the forum but not the complete picture.

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 9:21:03 AM   
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I divebomb from 10k and torpedo bomb from 5k. I don't do glidebombing or skipbombing, so I don't need to know what altitude to do them from. Torpedo bombers release at much lower altitudes but 5k is a good level to find their targets at. Otherwise, if you're not divebombing you're getting shot down and not getting hits when you're not shot down. Don't try and get fancy.

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 9:30:43 AM   
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Level bombing, it doesn't matter what altitude, if you hit what you meant to hit it will be by accident, and I'm talking about targets that aren't moving. Ships? Fuhgeddaboudit.

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 9:51:20 AM   
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When a search plane spots a sub and goes after it, do you think it drops its bombs from the altitude you set for searching? Not if the crew is well trained. Same for Kates carrying bombs, they're going to come down and get their ship. Helens, not so much.

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 10:17:34 AM   
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In 1942 the Americans have the Wildcat. You may not think so but at that point in the war it is one of the finest fighters in the world. Speed, range, carrier capable and firepower, you have no reason to be ashamed of fielding them. You also have the Dauntless. That happens to be the finest dive bomber ever. You're also starting to get the Avenger. That is the drop-dead best torpedo bomber carrier plane ever and an excellent search, ASW and tactical bomber. From the get go the American carriers are the best in part because of their damage control but for other reasons as well, and if they have those three planes in their toolbox you should have no fear going up against Japan's best even if you are outnumbered.

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 10:39:59 AM   
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I found a chart that can be useful:



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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 11:10:49 AM   
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quote:

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I found a chart that can be useful:

AFAIR glide attack was never implemented fully and is now deprecated. Level bombing is used instead.

Also an underappreciated gem:
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A/C type: Float/Patrol plane
(1) Group altitude = 1K
. A/C are performing a KILL THEM ALL ATTACK
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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 2:56:24 PM   
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Alan Zimm in his book "Attack on Pearl Harbor" describes Japanese dive bombing doctrine/training indicating that the Val dive bomber dove into its attack at a 55 degree angle and attacked by either chutai or shotai. The lead bomber pilot in the chutai or shotai, who was the best pilot in the chutai/shotai, chose a visible spot on the target ship such as a mast or stack and aimed at that spot. If aiming at that spot caused the bomb to miss (implying a several second delay between each a/c) follow on a/c in the chutai/shotai adjusted their aim point on the target ship to account for the direction of the miss from the aiming point. The follow-on bombers in the chutai/shotai had a very, very short time to adjust their aiming point if the leader's bomb missed resulting in the incredible variability of results: a whole chutai/shotai missing a slow merchant ship or the Hiryu/Soryu dive bombers scoring 90 per cent hits or damaging near misses against the fast moving HMS Dorsetshire and HMS Cornwall.

I was somewhat surprised to hear of the 55 degree dive angle of the Val until I found that the SBD and later SB2C dove at only a 70 degree angle and not at a 90 degree angle (seemingly shown in both film and paintings) and that THE LOWER DIVE ANGLES WERE NECESSARY SO THAT THE WINGS COULD PROVIDE ENOUGH LIFE SO THAT THE DIVE BOMBER COULD PULL OUT OF ITS DIVE (at low altitude increasing the accuracy of the attack).

Interesting link concerning dive bombing: http://divebombingnavy.blogspot.com/


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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 3:02:13 PM   
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Thank you for all the interesting information!

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 5:32:38 PM   
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Also important (for level bombing) is to get used to the enemy AA ceiling, to balance casualties vs accuracy

4K puts you above machine guns
8K puts you above Japanese 25mm
10K puts you above low caliber, 20mm and 40mm, this is the minimum I would go against a heavy AA defended target
15K above some 3" guns and 6pdrs
22K puts you above 3" 20cwt AA which is very common British early war gun, but it is also too high for good accuracy

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 8:04:33 PM   
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Here is a proper altitude band.




They're doing a cover of Led Zeppelin's Kashmir




.........................and so on
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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/12/2019 9:47:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Here is a proper altitude band.




They're doing a cover of Led Zeppelin's Kashmir




.........................and so on
....................oom pah pah pah
............... oom pah pah pah
.......... oom pah pah pah
.....oom pah pah pah

------------^
It goes: --/

Or does is sound like "Riiiiicola!!!"

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/14/2019 6:49:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AleRonin

I found a chart that can be useful:





Nicely done, but as stated glide attack no longer exists (if it ever really did).

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RE: A list for altitude bands and attacktypes ? - 5/14/2019 7:07:20 PM   
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Glide bombing did exist but was eliminated about six years ago. Hardly anyone used it anyway.

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