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3.0.1 Vichy France Surprise Still Gets Notional - 4/29/2019 3:05:36 AM   
rkr1958


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1. US, CW and Free France declared war on Vichy this impulse.

2. The CW ground struck a couple of targets inside of Metropolitan Vichy France, which made Vichy hostile to the CW.

3. The US (and CW) invaded hexes in Metropolitan Vichy France, making Vichy hostile to the US.

4. The allied invasion of Toulon (SW of Nice) is invading against 0 notionals and is, therefore automatic. But Toulon is out of supply, so even if Vichy wasn't surprised there would still be 0 notionals.

5. The other two allied invasion stacks are invading clear hexes, with no adjacent to axis corps, during fine weather and with all units invading from either the 3 or 4 sea-box. However, both invasion hexes get 1 notional during this surprise impulse.

Is this correct? Or is this a bug?

Either way, don't worry about a game file just yet. I've got two other issues with the invasion of Vichy, which I know are bugs and which I'll provide game files in separate posts.




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RE: 3.0.1 Vichy France Surprise Still Gets Notional - 4/29/2019 6:01:47 AM   
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The one strength notionals are not bugs. The notional strength in both cases is:

1 (base) + 1 (major power in home country) - 1 (surprise) = 1.

Vichy France may not feel like a major power, but it is.

What I can't figure out is why Toulon is zero. Nice is a supply source, and it is adjacent. (The invading units have no ZOC the invasion impulse.)

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RE: 3.0.1 Vichy France Surprise Still Gets Notional - 4/4/2020 2:31:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The one strength notionals are not bugs. The notional strength in both cases is:

1 (base) + 1 (major power in home country) - 1 (surprise) = 1.

Vichy France may not feel like a major power, but it is.

What I can't figure out is why Toulon is zero. Nice is a supply source, and it is adjacent. (The invading units have no ZOC the invasion impulse.)

What happened was that when the US declared an invasion of Toulon, it made Vichy Hostile. Up until that time, Vichy was not Hostile to the US, and therefore the US could enter hexes in Metropolitan Vichy France at any time - even via invasion. So the US 6-4 mountain unit landed in Toulon unopposed - no invasion. That converted Toulon to US control (you can see the US flag at the bottom of the hex).

You are correct about the other (British) invasions facing a non-zero Notional unit. That's because Vichy France was already Hostile to the Commonwealth and the Commonwealth units do not get the same free pass that the US did in Toulon. Indeed, if the US invades additional hexes in this invasion impulse, they will face Hostile (and non-zero) Notional units.

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