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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 8:57:14 AM   
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Do you know the joke about historical accuracy in movies? Willis, Cage and Affleck walk onto a film stage...

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 6:43:24 PM   
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Do you know the joke about historical accuracy in movies? Willis, Cage and Affleck walk onto a film stage...

You could have ended your second sentence after the fourth word.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 6:52:40 PM   
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Cage appears in any old sh it now as long as he gets paid.


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Wind Talkers is a good follow up or runner up for 'worst modern war film of all time'. Again starring Nicholas Cage. A pattern?


Poor life choices, and IRS trouble. Career over, now just a hack.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 6:59:16 PM   
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Wind Talkers is a good follow up or runner up for 'worst modern war film of all time'. Again starring Nicholas Cage. A pattern?


The only positive I can say for this movie is that it did shine some light on a largely ignored event of WWII.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:01:54 PM   
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Kelly's Heroes: Hippies from the '60s step back in time, giving World War II a groovy vibe


Now, now, play nice.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:04:08 PM   
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1. Kelly's Heroes: Hippies from the '60s step back in time, giving World War II a groovy vibe that makes those who relish historical accuracy, not only in plot, setting and equipment but also in character and true-to-the-era acting, nauseous. Many good Forumites love this movie, but a number of them will add, "I don't even consider this a war movie." Enough said.


Zackly. Its a bank heist set in a wartime scene.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:05:58 PM   
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Strongly disagree. It was a microcosm of the battle and showed many of the elements that drove the losses and the heroism that saved so many. The jumping/overlapping timelines confused me at first but I saw it a second time on TV and it was much more compelling when you knew where each vignette fit into the overall picture.

Trying to portray the entire battle would have left no place/time for showing the human experience of the disaster.


Well, I'm not going to go into a whole critique and analysis of the film because, frankly, I only saw it one time and have no desire to put in the work to see it again and write up a constructive criticism citing why I think poorly of it. It suffices to say that I think the overlapping stories of differing time structures does little beyond creating a chaotic mess that does a poor job telling either the "human experience" of the battle or its actual story. This is backed up by the many people I have spoken to who aren't WW2 experts like those on this forum, most of whom came away from the film puzzled or unsure of what exactly they'd seen.

I'm well aware some might have a different opinion; I'm comfortable in my assumption that Dunkirk will be one of those films praised initially by a media star-struck by its famous director and "artistic" take on the battle, but forgotten in a decade as its banalities and lack of true vision become more apparent. I have no desire to see it again, but perhaps I will, if but to simply reconfirm and reinforce my notions. Who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

p.s. On a completely unrelated note, I have hated all of the new Disney Star Wars films. Utter trash, except for perhaps Rogue One, which was passable.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:08:24 PM   
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Grandparents make all kinds of senseless sacrifices for their grandkids.




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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:10:33 PM   
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Better yet when it’s a domestic stoush but they still label it World ala their bastardisation of cricket, ie: baseball.


Hey Aussie, I think 'rounders' would be a better choice.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 7:48:20 PM   
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Sahara (1995) gets my vote for inaccuaracy. Americans in Tobruk really?

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that one was a satire.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/27/2019 8:06:43 PM   
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Not a bad movie imho, but did anyone watch "below" ? I always wondered if there was really a German DD implement as "claws" that DD used to troll the sub. I vaguely remember an Ottoman method to drag some sort of chain net by some small boatds to catch the subs in the Marmara sea during Gallipoli but not claws. Anyone heard about this ?

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 2:17:34 AM   
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ALL contemporary WW2 films are horrible, I don't know why anyone bothers with them - unless they like being lectured or enjoy historical inaccuracy.
They are all made by Bean-counters who peddle the likes of Battlefield 1942 X-Box.


Don't get me wrong, there's something fun about being able to play first person shooter types like Battlefield 1942. Why, if I could 'load into' Rafe's PH persona, that might be fun. Because then, of course, I could 'load into' Kate Beckinsale too. Fnar fnar...

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 2:19:36 AM   
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Wind Talkers is a good follow up or runner up for 'worst modern war film of all time'. Again starring Nicholas Cage. A pattern?


The only positive I can say for this movie is that it did shine some light on a largely ignored event of WWII.


What was that? That Cage killed 432 Japanese all by himself? That F6F Hellcats dropped invisible napalm canisters that enveloped whole ridges like a burning gasoline drum?

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 9:38:27 AM   
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Good man.

Some people say the film is crass, disrespectful, embarrassing, ahistorical, the CGI is toilet, the story is turgid, it's poorly acted, poorly scripted and poorly directed........ but if you can get past all that, and see the film for what it really is, then I'm sure you'll agree it has.... er... a quality all of it's own.


One of the dumbest lines in the entire history of Hollywood....
I think World War II just started!


Are you implying that Britain and its Commonwealth hangers-on and their little tiff with Adolf and Benito was more than a local wrestling match? Soccer hooligans hadn't even been invented yet! And as for Mustache Joe, he had his butt kicked all the way to Moscow so you can't call his efforts in 1941 "war"!

Obviously WWII couldn't have happened without Ben Affleck being there to "dramatize" it!
warspite1

Hey! Don't be dissin' Ben and his en point portrayal of Rafe McCawley's exploits during WWII!

His contribution to the Allied efforts is often under-appreciated. At least some people - including war game makers - are starting to fully realise his importance. Strategic Command for one:




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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 11:37:20 AM   
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We haven't mentioned the most recent WWII flick - Hacksaw Ridge. Many people I know loved that movie, but I have to confess that I didn't think very much of it. I'm pretty sure Mel Gibson, under pseudonym, was the director.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 11:56:21 AM   
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He was the director, but I don't believe under any pseudonym. As for me, I enjoyed it. Favorite movie? Nah, but worth a watch.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 12:15:39 PM   
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Wait, Gibson really directed it? I'd forgotten. It has his hands all over it. Patriot: Charge! We Were Soldiers: Charge! Hacksaw Ridge: Charge!

Small thing of exaggeration noteworthy to those who'd read Desmond Doss's book - the "cliff" he had to deal with in lowering soldiers was a ledge, I think perhaps 10 feet high. In the movie, more like the White Cliffs of Dover.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 12:18:11 PM   
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Small thing of exaggeration noteworthy to those who'd read Desmond Doss's book - the "cliff" he had to deal with in lowering soldiers was a ledge, I think perhaps 10 feet high. In the movie, more like the White Cliffs of Dover.


Well, that's noteworthy! Talk about a "Hollywood spectacle."

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 4:13:48 PM   
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He was the director, but I don't believe under any pseudonym. As for me, I enjoyed it. Favorite movie? Nah, but worth a watch.


I agree. Of course, I thought Hart's War was in a similar vein too, so I think Canoerebel may disagree.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/28/2019 4:24:43 PM   
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Well, I included Hart's War in my second post as one of the good though not perfect movies of recent vintage.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 3:08:17 AM   
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Big B: That's some interesting insight from your brother, and major props to him for screenwriting some great flicks. Why doesn't Hollywood like real stories? The truth is usually far better than the crap Hollywood feeds us.

The trailer in the lead post, for instance, says "inspired by true events." That's Hollywoodese for "this flick is not even in the same county as what really happened."

We have a channel on Korean cable called "The Movie." It consists of 50% old westerns and 50% old war movies. Sometimes I'll come back from a night out with the lads and "A Bridge Too Far" or "Patton" will be on. Obviously the channel doesn't pay a lot of royalties for the content. The missus was changing the channels the other day and the title in the upper right corner was "bulge" something-something in Korean. Sure enough, it's Germans cavorting around the Spanish countryside in M47s. "Honey, go ahead and change the channel to your favorite Korean reality program where the mothers of washed up stars from the past tut-tut about their offsprings' current misadventures. That would be an improvement."

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 4:08:41 AM   
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There have been some excellent war movies made in the last few years: you guys who have been hoping for something out of Hollywood; are to be honest, stupid. Hollywood precisely fits the Lenin quote, "We will hang the last capitalist with a rope he sold us".

So if you want to watch a good war movie you'll have to look in another place for several reason and a problem with any naval oriented movie these days is the fact that the ships that fought in WW2 (and would be so equipped) would be 74 years old at a minimum (even Coast Guard Cutters aren't that old).



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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 12:47:41 PM   
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1. Kelly's Heroes: Hippies from the '60s step back in time, giving World War II a groovy vibe that makes those who relish historical accuracy, not only in plot, setting and equipment but also in character and true-to-the-era acting, nauseous. Many good Forumites love this movie, but a number of them will add, "I don't even consider this a war movie." Enough said.


Zackly. Its a bank heist set in a wartime scene.


I've stayed out of this thread because I didn't want CR's characterization of my favorite movie of all time to trigger me.

I'm decidedly not nice when I'm triggered.

However, since others have come to its defense I'll add that it was given the greatest compliment of all, mimickery, when a modern day version was created. Bet many of you have never seen Three Kings. George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg and one of the rapper guys turned actor (Ice Cube IIRC) go on a personal mission to get Saddam's gold. Its Kelly's Heroes set in Iraq.


Best line in Kelly's Heroes: "Maybe he's a Republican"

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 2:36:49 PM   
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Hollywood of recent vintage doesn't always whiff. Schindler's List, The Pianist, The Book Thief, Saving Private Ryan (admittedly more warts in that one) and Letters from Iwo Jima.

Letters is an interesting example. I don't believe I've ever read a criticism of it's historic accuracy or portrayal of the battle. I can't recall anybody not liking the movie. I think nearly everybody likes the movie but that it's nobody's "favorite." Very good but not great movie?

Eastwood is kind of a caricature, due to his movie roles ("Go ahead, make my day.") But he seems head and shoulders above Gibson as a director.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 10:39:47 PM   
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Favorite movie? Nah, but worth a watch.


Again for the RL story.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/29/2019 10:43:28 PM   
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I've stayed out of this thread because I didn't want CR's characterization of my favorite movie of all time to trigger me.


I wouldn't characterize it as my all time favorite, but I like it when it comes up in these discussions, as it reminds me to watch it again.

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Bet many of you have never seen Three Kings.


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Its Kelly's Heroes set in Iraq.


I've seen it, but never made the connection. 'Til now. Good call.

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/30/2019 12:54:56 AM   
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How about some of the best, I really liked (watched the opening episode three times) the documentary on WW1 by the BBC, Not at home so can't name it but the first
flick dealt with the first contact with the hun by some infantry at a bridge, the second was the tanks....not sure why but I found it highly entertaining as well as accurate
as I could picture it being.



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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/30/2019 1:20:11 AM   
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I think the series was called "Our World War". IIRC the series had three episodes: the first one dealt with the Battle of Mons, the 2nd one concerned the Pals Battalions, the battle of the Somme, and firing squad among the Pals, and third one was the ones with the tanks (it was really interesting to see the inside of one of the British tanks - especially since my grandfather served in a French-made FT-17 in WW1). It seems to me that there was also an interactive game where one is put into the place of a British soldier advancing through enemy territory.

Incidentally there is another great BBC docudrama (2004 I think) about "Dunkirk" which is a really tremendous big picture of the battle. Having watched that one I'll say I was much more able to follow the sequence of the more recent 2017 movie. You'll also see Capt William Tennant in his earlier assignment (before HMS Repulse and probably the reason he got that job).

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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/30/2019 7:36:16 AM   
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HI all,

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Thin Red Line: Hippies from the '70s grow weary of war and step back in time to WWII to frolic with the aboriginal inhabitants of Guadalcanal, while modern US Navy frigates patrol the waters offshore. This movie is as historically accurate in the characters being true to the era as was Dances with Wolves. Bleck.


I really don't know why so much hate for the "The Thin Red Line"?

IMHO it has one of the the BEST combat sequences in all modern WWII movies (almost like opening scene of "Saving Private Ryan")!

I understand that some people don't like the "human" side of the story but overall this move was great!

BTW, I simply hate the the "Fury" it is 100% unrealistic and idiotic...


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RE: Worst modern war film of all time - 4/30/2019 11:37:02 AM   
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Apollo 11 to each his own. In my not so humble opinion TRL was the worst war movie ever made.

Frankly, I can't even remember that there WERE any combat scenes.

All I can recall was that the entire movie was one extremely over long philosophical musing.

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