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150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 10:08:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read somewhere that up to 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht. Don't you think such number is really too high? What source of this questionable information? I know that German Field Marshall Erhard Milch was a half-Jew, former Chancellor of West Germany Helmut Schmidt was a quarter-Jew, Nazis even suspected German Field Marshall Erich von Manstein had Jewish roots. Werner Goldberg was "The Ideal German soldier" and his image was even used in recruitment posters. But 150,000 seems impossible...
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 1:03:40 PM   
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 1:18:56 PM   
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I don't like this thread.

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 1:50:27 PM   
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https://www.haaretz.com/1.4747962

"Bryan Mark Rigg, history professor at the American Military University in Virginia"

Looks like legitimate (= no revisionism).

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 1:50:56 PM   
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Here it is but it's not any different from the post above: https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/as-many-as-150000-jews-served-in-hitlers-military/




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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 2:11:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lobster
Here it is but it's not any different


No different. Reuters picked the story and Haaretz (Israeli newspaper) republished it. Or 11 years later, the blog of your link. Or 16 years later someone asks here



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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/2/2019 11:33:37 PM   
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/3/2019 10:26:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		There were black soldiers fighting for the Confederacy, same deal with American Indians during those wars, it would not surprise me if there were as many as 150,000 soldiers of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht. The phenomena is certainly not unheard of.

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/4/2019 1:43:08 AM   
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/4/2019 2:51:00 AM   
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You know that by saying someone is half-jew you are actually buying into the Nazi definition of races. A jew is someone who believes the religion of Judaism. There is no way that is inherited. Unless of course you can be half-christian, half-islamic, half-... you get the picture. Races are not biological, as genetics has proven, they are a mental construct.


My understanding is that the difference is that the term "Jewish" can refer to either race OR religion. Unless there's some other term for ethnic Jewish people that I'm unaware of.

There are physical traits common to ethnic Jewish people, in the same way that there are physical traits common to English people, Irish people, Filipino people, Native American people, etc.

I'm open to being corrected if I'm wrong.

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/4/2019 10:06:49 AM   
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The strongest sections of this book, not surprisingly, are those that deal with human races generally. Corcos would go so far as to replace the term race with "deme," denoting "groupings." "No matter how many [racial] groups we propose, we always find people who do not fit any one category. Racial classification is impossible because humanity is very diverse, and distinct lines of demarcation among groups do not exist."


So races do not exist (in the biological sense). Social convention may make us group people as one "grouping" or another, but that is a whole different thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany

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Nazi policies labeled centuries-long residents in German territory who were not ethnic Germans such as Jews (understood in Nazi racial theory as a "Semitic" people of Levantine origins), Romanis (also known as Gypsies, an "Indo-Aryan" people of Indian Subcontinent origins), along with the vast majority of Slavs (mainly ethnic Poles, Serbs, Russians etc.), and most non-Europeans as inferior non-Aryan subhumans (i.e. non-Nordics, under the Nazi appropriation of the term "Aryan") in a racial hierarchy that placed the Herrenvolk ("master race") of the Volksgemeinschaft ("people's community") at the top


Ok, here the sources is Wikipedia, which I admit is of low quality. However this paragraph is pretty well anotated. The sources are legit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4301023/

Final link. Genetic markers cannot determine Jewish decent. I think that says it all.

So what are we left with: Races as understood in the first post above in this thread, can only be understood as being cultural. Thus it is rather strange to call somebody a half-jew. Especially if he/she doesn't practice the cultural definitions of his/her "race".

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/4/2019 9:14:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ernieschwit
So what are we left with: Races as understood in the first post above in this thread, can only be understood as being cultural. Thus it is rather strange to call somebody a half-jew. Especially if he/she doesn't practice the cultural definitions of his/her "race".




Agreed with you 100%, I was just splitting hairs.

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/4/2019 9:55:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mind

I read somewhere


Yeah. Somewhere on Facebook? Somewhere on a website purporting to have the 'truth' about Jews in WW II?

Assertions like this demand sources, citations and extensive primary research. There won't be any because it isn't true.

'I read somewhere' doesn't cut it.


This thread should be locked. It has no place on this forum and I'm amazed moderators have let it go this far.



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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/5/2019 3:24:53 AM   
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/5/2019 4:03:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IslandInland





This thread should be locked. It has no place on this forum and I'm amazed moderators have let it go this far.




For what it's worth, I agree, but good luck with that.

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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/5/2019 5:03:58 AM   
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RE: 150,000 Jews served in the Wehrmacht? - 4/5/2019 9:29:26 AM   
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