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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 7/11/2019 3:48:56 AM   
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The text file mentions:
"For those interested in the historical German Korp and Army organisation, a 'German-OOB' document is included in the scenario.zip."
Unfortunately I can't find any OOB document, is it still available anywhere.

A question regarding the AI, it just started blowing bridges on turn 10, is that something that was designed to happen at this point?

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 7/11/2019 7:06:01 AM   
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Attached is the German-OOB.

The Bridge Blowing thing has been a point of discussion in the past. Here is what we know: Elmer decides on his own when to blow bridges based on the overall situation. So, Scenario Designer's have no control over it.

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/4/2019 7:50:22 PM   
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Thanks.

Now some more stuff piled up:
German Luftwaffe
- It should be considered to give the Ju88 enhanced targeting like the Ju87 has because the Ju88 was also a dive bomber. And with it also anti-tank capacity, that can be justified because of being able to bring bombs on or at least close enough to a tank to destroy it.


French tanks
- As the inventory seems pretty complete I just want to ask if the few Char B1 should be simulated too? They had an upgraded armament similar to that of the B1 bis but still had much weaker armor. 34 were build. Pretty small amount but other small stuff is found in the scenario too so I thought I mention it.


Briefing
- The for the shock event noted Airfield at 145,98 seems to be at 143,97. Not sure if the event is placed at 145,98 but I guess the description should match the event .


Map
- The Senne river should be depicted as river running from Antwerp to south of Brüssel(143,95) and from there on it should be depicted as canal. Currently is canal all the way. This is of course just a cosmetic correction, but nonetheless it would improve the quality of the correctness of the map.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/10May-16May1940-Fall_Gelb_de.svg

- The Canal that connects the Aisne to the Oise is missing. Should like start at 134,125 and should end at 126,118. For most of the time it runs along the L'Ailette but behind the Bassin de Monampteuil they separate. As the canal has a tunnel there are about 2,3km not cover by a waterway. Maybe there should be a hex left without canal to depict this although it looks hardly like an attack route and as it's less then half the hex distance I would drawn the canal through.
I point this out because the German frontline was running along it while the drive to the canal coast was made. For PvP it would be niece to have this gap closed.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Canal_map.jpg
http://www.sandre.eaufrance.fr/geo/CoursEau/H02-0400
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/10May-16May1940-Fall_Gelb_de.svg

- The Canal Dunkerque-Escaut is missing, although it was finished in the 50's-60's it seems that this "project" connected several smaller canals already in place by 1940. As the British formed their defensive line along it there must have been enough advantage in terrain to justify this. And so adding a canal from St. Omer to Douai can be justified for the game too even if it was not a single waterway like it was after the war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_Dunkerque-Escaut
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/10May-16May1940-Fall_Gelb_de.svg

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/4/2019 10:28:23 PM   
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In my own personal .eqp file I made the JU-88A4, C2, C6, P and G versions. I did that work well after the NF scenario was made, so I should go back and have a look. The A-4 dive-bomber is probably the version used in France 1940, I'll have to check.




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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/4/2019 10:36:32 PM   
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I hadn't come across the Char B1 yet, but it appears that while they were retired prior to the German attack, that some of them may have been sent in as 'reinforcements'. Do you know what units would get them and how many? Wiki seems to say that 37th BCC got five of them, and maybe twelve more to some other units.

In the centre of Brussels, the Zenne was completely covered up and major boulevards were built over top in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
So maybe there should not be a river running thru the center of Brussels?

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The Canal that connects the Aisne to the Oise is missing.

Wouldn't this one be in the same hexes as the Ailette?

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/6/2019 3:18:40 AM   
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I hadn't come across the Char B1 yet, but it appears that while they were retired prior to the German attack, that some of them may have been sent in as 'reinforcements'. Do you know what units would get them and how many? Wiki seems to say that 37th BCC got five of them, and maybe twelve more to some other units.

The axishistory forum provided this:
According to François Vauvillier 34 B1 remained in the parks and depots in early May 1940, of these:

- 12 were used in the newly-raised 347e Compagnie Autonome de Chars de Combat (CACC) reinforcing the 2e DCr,
https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/journaux-de-marche/liste-des-journaux?task=view&id=602

- 5 entered into the Compagnie de marche Gaudet 3/37 serving with the 14e DI [104 Verdun, 112 Mulhouse, 122 Alsace, 127 Jura, 132 Poitou],
http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/classement-individuel/chars-b1-et-b1-bis?task=view&id=642

- and 3 were gathered in a provisional section around La Charité-sur-Loire on 15th June.
http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/14-classement-individuel/char-b/479-107-reims
https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/14-classement-individuel/char-b/472-102-armorique
https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/14-classement-individuel/char-b/480-108-dixmude

Just as overview a Char B1 & B1bis list:
https://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/classement-individuel/chars-b1-et-b1-bis



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In the centre of Brussels, the Zenne was completely covered up and major boulevards were built over top in the 19th and early 20th centuries.
So maybe there should not be a river running thru the center of Brussels?

The word "centre" does not give much idea of the size that was covered. Can't imaging the river running through a tunnel for several kilometers, back then it was already a waterway used for transportation. At least today there seems to be no sign of a cover as one can follow the river from it entering Brüssel till it leaves it and except for the usual crossings the river is visible all the time. I would keep the canal there at least till more details can be found.



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The Canal that connects the Aisne to the Oise is missing.

Wouldn't this one be in the same hexes as the Ailette?

Yes most of the time the canal runs along the Ailette but the Ailette continues Eastwards while the canal turns south and connects to the Aisne and that part is missing. I would say a canal in 134,124 would do the job.

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/14/2019 4:48:13 AM   
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Thanks Duke ... 8e DCC and 37e DCC both get 0/5 B1, and 10 B1's enter as Replacements on May 22. The 12 that went to 8e DCC - it doesn't seem like they had much luck getting more than few in action so that is why I only gave them a possible 5. The three in the 'provisional section' I left out, unless you feel strongly that they should be added to some unit [I didn't read all those links for three tanks!].

E-mail me your name and I can add you to the scenario credits

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/24/2019 4:41:39 AM   
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Afaik the version numbers on both jumped by 2, where there other changes made then those suggested in this thread?


Now, not of real importance but game seems to have problems with German Umlaute, this is seen on:
Geschützwagen I
Panzerjäger I
Stumrgeschütz III (Early)

Similar problems come in for the French seen on:
Char léger R35
Char léger H-39

Or is this somehow my problem? Should I switch languages?

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RE: Nach Frankreich 1940 - 8/24/2019 5:53:25 AM   
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I don't see where I kept any notes on version changes.

The bad characters - its a result of IV not allowing 'special' characters. It was the man's way of ridding TOAW of the SS Runes [for no reason, while at the same time ruining many scenarios]. Another of IV's not-well-thought-out and misguided actions.

Well, you can edit the eqp file to include all standard characters, but any custom eqp files have to be done individually.

Actually, this is such an old issue, hasn't anybody made a corrected standard eqp file and posted it somewhere? If not, I guess I can do it.

EDIT: This also carries over to Names. So any names with special characters also have to be corrected. I've done all of this for a few scenarios, and it's a tedious bummer, Thanks IV

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