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Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB & P... - 10/14/2018 6:41:16 PM   
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I know the general basics about the Soviet Airbases in the game from the manual but I have some more specific questions:

VVS airbase specialise in partisan supply transport over all other bases that can supply partisans which is everything other than IADs, but is that ban on transport re-supply of partisans the same for PVO bases too?

Is there actually anything special with regards to the OSNAZ base of which I think there is one at start of GC in the Long Range Air Group considering it's "OSNAZ - Special Use Air Group airbase (OSobogo NAZnachenija)" in the manual, what's special about it other than a name?

There is also a SAB along the lines of the SAD which are due to start automatically decommissioning from T34 at the rate of 3 per turn, is this SAB simply a 'Brigade' version of a SAD 'Division' and is considered exactly like a SAD and is therefore also due for auto-dissolution likewise?

There is also a BAB similarly to a BAD I suppose.

With the PVO airbases in the 6 & 7 air 'Corps" apparently the air units (Rgmts/Squadrons) based on them don't participate in Ground Support battles, but can do intercept missions is that about it with them or is there something I am missing about them? Do they get demobilised or do they hang around forever?

Any other peculiars other than the Baltic and Black Sea Airbases you think I might have I've missed you care to cover?
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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/14/2018 7:33:57 PM   
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Except for the fact that the VVS and DBAD airbases fly night missions automatically to the partisans... I think it's all window dressing and they are functionally no different. (Of course, the SADs auto disband.)

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/14/2018 8:29:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Saulust
Is there actually anything special with regards to the OSNAZ base of which I think there is one at start of GC in the Long Range Air Group considering it's "OSNAZ - Special Use Air Group airbase (OSobogo NAZnachenija)" in the manual, what's special about it other than a name?


OSNAZ has the same abilities as VVS to supply partisans and should be put in the same category as them even though it has a different name.

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With the PVO airbases in the 6 & 7 air 'Corps" apparently the air units (Rgmts/Squadrons) based on them don't participate in Ground Support battles, but can do intercept missions


I used to think that and there are a lot of old posts saying that. But they were wrong and johntoml can be thanked for testing this and showing it not to be true. Apparently the problems did relate to command structure and how often there were no bombers in the same HQ to fly ground support missions anyway. But once PVO bases are in the Front armies with bombers they fly ground support like anyone else.

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 4:31:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Saulust

There is also a SAB along the lines of the SAD which are due to start automatically decommissioning from T34 at the rate of 3 per turn, is this SAB simply a 'Brigade' version of a SAD 'Division' and is considered exactly like a SAD and is therefore also due for auto-dissolution likewise?



SAB is a SAD and will auto disband at some stage. This historical feature of SAD disband forms no active purpose what so ever and with hindsight SADs should have been left as is or renamed.

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 4:40:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Telemecus

I used to think that and there are a lot of old posts saying that. But they were wrong and johntoml can be thanked for testing this and showing it not to be true. Apparently the problems did relate to command structure and how often there were no bombers in the same HQ to fly ground support missions anyway. But once PVO bases are in the Front armies with bombers they fly ground support like anyone else.


Thankyou. You have better memories of what I said than I do. Squadrons are selected from airbases directly attached to the Front Air Command. So keep your airforce structure flat. Mind you it has been awhile since I tested this.

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 1:48:10 PM   
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56ajax fka johntoml


Oh I had no idea. I learned lots of interesting things from the (other) you on the air war. So very good to see you are still around in another guise.


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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 4:04:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Telemecus
... But once PVO bases are in the Front armies with bombers they fly ground support like anyone else.


I was just questioning that myself because because I just had both 6 & 7 Corps of Airbases attached to different Fronts but I only had a few crap types of Fighter-Bombers Regiments on them each (although with 70+ experience &/or morale - reserved for upgrading soon) so I didn't mind that this recent turn when I seemed to run out of enough available flight range time with almost everything else their planes remained idle on these bases. Could be because I didn't have any actual bombers on them so they didn't take off for either Ground Bombings, which I tried with both groups (6 & 7) and they did not perform any Ground Support missions even though the other groups of Front airbases in the same colour as them seemed to have run out completely of the ability to provide Ground Support in range, unless the AI system chose not or die rolled not to used them.

Anyway I didn't mind since I want to upgrade either hopefully automatically or manually next these few remaining old stock / high skilled air regiments. Obviously in order for them to have gotten so high they were performing missions, definitely Ground Bombing, but at this stage I don't recall any Ground Support from them, just don't remember ATM. This game I'm playing has been a bit of a test, so I will see what I can do to double check these PVO bases, such as assign some actual bombers on them and see if they do any Ground Support after that.

If it turns out that the PVO don't do Ground Support I would at least know how to handle them next time and forward, best use them for rear area interception air defence against a German strategic bomber campaigne, etc.

Cheerio, thanks guys very much about the other info.

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 5:39:29 PM   
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So should the Soviet keep these smaller Corps HQ or not ? (Baltic, Moscow PVO, Black Sea...) Better to disband them? I'm not even sure one can disband them.

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RE: Special named Soviet Airbase features of OSNAZ, SAB... - 10/15/2018 11:48:47 PM   
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So should the Soviet keep these smaller Corps HQ or not ? (Baltic, Moscow PVO, Black Sea...) Better to disband them? I'm not even sure one can disband them.


AIUI, you can disband any airbase that a) isn't frozen, b) hasn't moved or c) has had plans flown to it (transferred from other base or assigned to it from the national reserve) or d) hasn't had any of its air plane regiments to have performed any sorties from it yet during the turn if you have the AP to pay 1 point for each disbanding of an airbase AFAIK.
(The only sort of exception is that the SAD and the 1 SAB airbases start to be automatically disbanded by the AI from around T34 at the rate of 3 per turn for free, at no AP cost to you like what happens to NKVD Security Regiments or Mot Rifle Divs converting to truckless Rifle Divs etc, I think.)

Only the Corps level air HQs can be disbanded which is really only the two PVO ones, (plus the four BAK Long Range group Corps HQs) while all the others such as Moscow, Baltic Sea & Black Sea Air Fleet Commmand HQs are actually Army level (XXXX) HQs and thereby can't be disbanded, at least in my copy of the game!

People have recommend eliminating certain air elements to save trucks, lower supply demands etc, I think they mostly must be referring to the airbases under these non-front Army air HQs, but some probably do remove both the PVO Corps HQs and their types of airbases underlings. Correct me if I'm wrong...

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