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Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 6:38:54 PM   
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michaelm states in this post here about planes attempting kami attacks prior to the 1944 activation - http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2618890


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Base must have an AF 1+. This would exclude the 'dot' bases unless they are built up.
There is no limitation such that the base has to have been occupied by the Japanese and re-captured.

If the base is in range (21 sea hexes) of TOKYO (base #252), TAKAO (base #330) or SAIGON (base #435), is not located in China/Tibet and controlled by Allied player and 1944+, then the kamikazes (converting groups to kamikaze mode,as distinct from the occasional plane turning into a kamikaze prior to 1944 due to damage) are activated.



The relevant section of the manual is silent on this. Has anyone ever seen it, or is this one of those items of forum lore?
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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 6:58:56 PM   
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This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 7:05:38 PM   
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This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.


If you mean the "Pilot X is willing to die for the Emperor" ramming messages in air combat then, no, I've not seen them before 1944 AFAIK.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 7:18:36 PM   
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I think I've seen those earlier than '44 - certainly in '43 and perhaps in '42. I don't think those are tied to kami activation in any way.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 7:24:32 PM   
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I have seen those as well.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 8:50:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.


If you mean the "Pilot X is willing to die for the Emperor" ramming messages in air combat then, no, I've not seen them before 1944 AFAIK.


I've seen them in 1943 for sure, and maybe even going back into 1942.

The 1943 occurrence was your pilot on at least one occasion, even.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 8:52:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.


If you mean the "Pilot X is willing to die for the Emperor" ramming messages in air combat then, no, I've not seen them before 1944 AFAIK.


I've seen them in 1943 for sure, and maybe even going back into 1942.

The 1943 occurrence was your pilot on at least one occasion, even.


Interesting, I'll have a search through my CR's.

Anyone seen it happen against ships or has it just been against naval vessels?

I ask as I've never seen any IJ aircraft attempt a kami attack before '44 AFAIK.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/16/2018 9:35:21 PM   
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Anyone seen it happen against ships or has it just been against naval vessels?


I had one go recently against a warship. It missed. I'm at the end of January '43, but I really couldn't say whether it occurred in '42 or '43. To this day its the only time this has happened in one of my games and its really the only game where I've gone into '43, so I'm guessing it took place in '43.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/17/2018 12:00:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.


If you mean the "Pilot X is willing to die for the Emperor" ramming messages in air combat then, no, I've not seen them before 1944 AFAIK.


I've seen them in 1943 for sure, and maybe even going back into 1942.

The 1943 occurrence was your pilot on at least one occasion, even.


+1

1943 and yes early - even in January.

I cannot ever recall getting one in 1942.

However that may be a function of my play style (cautious / historic) and therefore a lack opportunity for the 'die role' ?

While I only have played the AI - I do engage in a air frame war of attrition as soon as possible in all tactical theaters; however rarely have my Carriers or even Surface Combat Task Forces exposed without LBA long range CAP where I think the IJN will be. Port Moresby / Canton / Baker / Balikipan / Singapore / Chittatong etc etc etc



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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/17/2018 4:16:08 PM   
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I've seen an air-to-air ramming in 1942.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/17/2018 4:25:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This happens all the time. I'm sure you've seen messages (before kamikaze activation) where a damaged Japanese fighter rams into an Allied bomber, etc.


If you mean the "Pilot X is willing to die for the Emperor" ramming messages in air combat then, no, I've not seen them before 1944 AFAIK.


I've seen them in 1943 for sure, and maybe even going back into 1942.

The 1943 occurrence was your pilot on at least one occasion, even.


Interesting, I'll have a search through my CR's.

Anyone seen it happen against ships or has it just been against naval vessels?

I ask as I've never seen any IJ aircraft attempt a kami attack before '44 AFAIK.


I don't know that any actually hit any ships, but I think I saw some of your guys decide to "give his life for the emperor" or whatever the text is.

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RE: Clarification: Kami attacks before activation - 8/17/2018 5:34:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

michaelm states in this post here about planes attempting kami attacks prior to the 1944 activation - http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2618890


quote:

Base must have an AF 1+. This would exclude the 'dot' bases unless they are built up.
There is no limitation such that the base has to have been occupied by the Japanese and re-captured.

If the base is in range (21 sea hexes) of TOKYO (base #252), TAKAO (base #330) or SAIGON (base #435), is not located in China/Tibet and controlled by Allied player and 1944+, then the kamikazes (converting groups to kamikaze mode,as distinct from the occasional plane turning into a kamikaze prior to 1944 due to damage) are activated.



The relevant section of the manual is silent on this. Has anyone ever seen it, or is this one of those items of forum lore?



I've seen this as well as the occasional fighter ramming a bomber. Both happen, but are individuals, not whole units.

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