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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/11/2018 7:58:32 PM   
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Just downloaded it will play it later though I did have a look at the map. If you need new units just nick them from wargame red dragon (incidentally my user name is the same there as it is here) strela 10m and shilka's would be good for dealing with low flying aircraft along with the gepard. MI24 would also add a useful asset though I am just guessing the majority of east german gear was kept what with an aggressive Soviet union which would add a huge amount of gear

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/11/2018 8:36:08 PM   
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quote:

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Yeah that is sort of corroborated by this: http://www.airvectors.net/avf4_3.html#m2


Did a quick search for missile sales and acording to the attached Germany purchaced 96 AMRAAMs in 91 for completed delivery between 95 & 98.


Considering everywhere else I'm using AMRAAMs and the assumption that development and production went better than it did historicaly, these can be in place. Won't take long to burn through, since there is another full wing of ICE (37th in the south with 48 AC), I could probably alot 36 to this scenario. With all the other demands on production, I don't think this would be increased very much.

Not much but it will give the players some interesting delemas - do I save them for the Su-27s or use the flood of Mig-23s...



Ah man, thought this was the updated version of the scenario...

Don't mean to rush you, but do you have an ETA for version 1.1?

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/11/2018 8:42:31 PM   
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Working on it now. Tomorrow perhaps?

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/12/2018 1:24:06 PM   
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Played the first 2 hours - what a bloodbath. Sidewinders vs. Alamos lets NATO cull the strike packages, but very few aircraft get home. Also, SAR helos are not survivable. Per Zoroastro's comment - the Danish forward bases get pounded, Russians sending more aircraft than defending missiles. My gulfstreams survived - not sure how, so I at least got the first one away safely.

I glitch found - the arrival of sidewinders at Skrysdrup fired twice.

One suggestion - since NATO knows this will be a knife fight in a phone booth - wouldn't the ready fighters have heavy rather than light missile loads? Those extra 2 sidewinders per F-16 would make some difference.

As always - magnificent work.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/12/2018 11:35:57 PM   
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OK

V1.1 with many minor tweaks to make things more survivable from the NATO side:

-More Roland and AAA on the German bases
-Sea Sparrows, AAA and MANPADS on the Danish bases
-The mods for the Mig-29s and the F-4 ICE discussed earlier - 48 AMRAAMs for the Phantoms but am quite ready to drop that down if its too many.
-Changed up most of the F-16s to Heavy, not all
-Some name changes
-advanced the time on the gulfstream mission.

There is an issue in the SBR file wrt the Land based Sea Sparrow units - curious if they will actually engage targets.

Did anyone else have the double firing of the Ammo resupply?

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/13/2018 1:44:09 AM   
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Leck AB- You have a mix of ALQ-101 and 119 DECM pods.... used in different loadouts...not enough for every A/C which means some planes will only be on Recon missions (119 pod) those with the 101 pods can carry bombs. Just checking to see if that was intentional.


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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/13/2018 2:00:42 AM   
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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/15/2018 9:14:56 AM   
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That's a lot of ships and aircraft coming in I find myself wishing for a pair of SSN's and an aegis cruiser! Also its a shame about the east German gear it would make life easier especially the SU22s and koni class frigates with mines.

Oh not everything east german got binned though here's a pic of a Soviet jammer pod on a phantom.
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_url=upload%2F201801%2F1565859_49668_Luftwaffe_F4F_Phantoms_fitted_with_Soviet_made_SPS141_Gvozdika_Jamming_pod_front_ajpg

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/15/2018 9:50:13 AM   
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I am not certain that NATO was (or is?) interested in posting an SSN into those shallow waters, that's what all those U-Boats are for. An aegis cruiser would be nice but they're busy

You may see those Koni class Frigates yet, but not they way you're thinking. The Su-22s (60 of them) will make an apearance - in Med Fury 4 or 5 - when you go after Syria.


That's a cool photo. I'm wondering if it was a standard fit or experimental? Perhaps pop it into the DB request thread as a loadout, would be interesting to compair the two. If there is a DB loadout for them I'll include some for sure.


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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/15/2018 1:48:14 PM   
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quote:

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I am not certain that NATO was (or is?) interested in posting an SSN into those shallow waters, that's what all those U-Boats are for. An aegis cruiser would be nice but they're busy

You may see those Koni class Frigates yet, but not they way you're thinking. The Su-22s (60 of them) will make an apearance - in Med Fury 4 or 5 - when you go after Syria.


That's a cool photo. I'm wondering if it was a standard fit or experimental? Perhaps pop it into the DB request thread as a loadout, would be interesting to compair the two. If there is a DB loadout for them I'll include some for sure.


Thanks.


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Oh Syria I am assuming this will be mainly from Israel's perspective, but I have to ask will the RAF phantoms at Akatori get in on the fight?

Oh and you might like this video RAF phantoms escort mig 29s and SU17s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkJR9UVPsDk

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/15/2018 4:07:27 PM   
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Nice video. Thanks

From my understanding there were never any Phantoms permanently stationed at Akrotiri. They deployed as needed from time to time and for training. I personally saw them there in 82. I know 6 were deployed during the Gulf War.

Was there ever a Sqn deployed there for any length of time? Pls PM me if you have any insight on that, thanks.



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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/16/2018 1:50:47 PM   
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Weird moment last night a flight of 4 f16s bounced a flight of 8 Mig23MLD and they didn't defend themselves at all, personally thought I had screwed up because I hit the 4 in the middle first not the 2 at the back which just carried on oblivious. They were very close to the no fly zone and just about to over fly the town near there

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/19/2018 6:23:11 AM   
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quote:

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Weird moment last night a flight of 4 f16s bounced a flight of 8 Mig23MLD and they didn't defend themselves at all, personally thought I had screwed up because I hit the 4 in the middle first not the 2 at the back which just carried on oblivious. They were very close to the no fly zone and just about to over fly the town near there


Is that possibly because the MIG-23s on strike missions don't carry any AAMs? I lost an F-16 to cannon fire after letting it drift in front of such a flight.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/20/2018 7:47:43 AM   
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That makes sense most of the fighters went after my mig 29s or set up a CAP over that little island base

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/21/2018 1:41:07 AM   
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Survived the first wave, commended myself on my dashing Kormoran counterstroke, only to find that just as my best fighters have landed to refuel the orcs are boiling out of Mordor for the second wave. Oh boy, that's a lotta planes...

Still playing V1.0 and loving it!


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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/22/2018 10:32:55 AM   
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There seems to be a recurring glitch with the sidewinder resupply - it's 1604 ZULU and I'm the proud owner of 1764 AIM-9L sidewinders at Skydstrup


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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/22/2018 11:07:14 AM   
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OK will look into that this weekend - can't make it too easy to kill the Orcs of Mordor

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/24/2018 6:42:54 PM   
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Hi Gunner

This is quite a brutal but fun scen. Lots of action to say the least, but I have found two issues.

The first is nitpicking, but the correct prefix for a Danish navy ship is HDMS and not HMDS.
The second is a bit bigger. The Donskoye AB only have large aircraft runway access points and the Cubs and Mails need very large aircraft access points to take off, so they will stay on the ground taxiing endlessly.

Regarding my military service. I´m pretty sure we haven´t met, although that would have been funny.
I served in the naval infantry tasked with guarding the infrastructure needed to keep the navy fighting. In case the balloon went up, the navy would have evacuated the two naval bases as they were deemed to be too large targets, and then used the many fjords and coves to hide and resupply. It was my job to secure the resupply sites as well as the supply convoys and depots.
I left the navy in the mid 90s. My knees couldn´t take the abuse because of a nasty skiing accident as a teen.

To bad though, as I loved the navy life.
But enough about me.

Hope this helped, and a quick question.
Will the first Northern Fury book hit the shops for the christmas sales?
Because I´m always being hounded by family about what I want for christmas and this a no brainer

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/24/2018 10:30:15 PM   
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Thanks Soren

I'll fix those two points for sure.

That does sound like an interesting job, I might try and work what you describ into one of the forthcoming scenarios.

The plan is that the first Book will be on Amazon and a few other places for order in print or electrons by Christmas. I don't think it will be 'in the shops' by then because we won't be going with a mainstream publisher - its a long story.

Anyway that is the plan and it is looking good so far.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/25/2018 8:04:16 AM   
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Those KH 58 (AS11 Kilter) are unpleasant poor Bayern got hit and she wasn't even radiating (must have turned her radar off to late)

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/25/2018 7:44:55 PM   
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I played the V1.0 scenario, and here's how it went.


SITUATION
The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Well, we’re heading into a hot war with Russia, and I’ve got to defend the Baltic. I’ve got some old Drakens with bad Sidewinders, a fair number of F-16s with a mix of good and bad Sidewinders, some reworked Phantoms with Sidewinders, and, in an ironic twist, some re-unified Mig-29s which are actually my best fighter. Their AA-10s will be my best missile until some Tornadoes start showing up from England in a few hours. I also have a multitude of strike Tornadoes, a few Alpha-Jets, an occasional helicopter, and a bunch of Atlantiques.

My navy’s mostly in port, where a large number of patrol boats and diesel subs are readying. I've got a few diesel subs at sea, along with two pairs of patrol boats, and some isolated larger ships. I've got some decent SAMs (HAWKs, and a Patriot) too. It's not a Russian air defence belt, but it should be useful.

I’m up against the might of the Russian air force, with all sorts of everything (except, fortunately, Mig-31s), plus their enormous patrol and missile boat fleet, and somewhere out there lurks a very capable task group of modern DDs and FFs built around the aging Kynda class cruiser Grozny. They've also got long range coastal SSMs, which will be able to attack me all the way out to Zealand.


THE PLAN

Going up into the teeth of this will probably be futile. I plan to fall back out of the forward base at Bornholm, attriting raids where I can, and probably falling back out of Zealand (Roskilde and Vaerlose AB) too if necessary. I expect some sort of air-drop or amphibious landing at Bornholm, and possibly some dirty tricks near Zealand, so my navy will (for the most part) form up in the rear to be ready to make a strong attack once heavy enemy forces are detected, and I'm reserving some of my attack planes to deal with enemy on the ground. My subs at sea will mostly proceed east, looking for any heavies coming from that direction. My Atlantiques won't have a hope of surviving in the open Baltic, so they're sent off to patrol the Skagerrak, except for a few sent on ELINT duties near Laage. Land based radars are almost all turned off, and we'll be relying on AWACs as long as we can in the face of expected Russian ARM attacks.


PLAY

As things get under way my surveillance assets report on the positions of several merchant ships. It seems all of Poland and Germany are at sea on a fishing holiday, and there are a number of large merchant ships transiting the area. Most of them are tanker, bulk cargo, or container ships, but one is a Ro-Ro, which piques command's interest. It's called the Emden, and it's heading for the north tip of Zealand. Being dutiful officers, we've all read our Clancy! Could this be a boat-load of commies in disguise, ready to pounce on a vulnerable coastal airfield? Observation helicopters are put on patrol to monitor it continuously, and the Alpha-jets and some of the Drakens are warned to be ready for immediate action if it needs to be sunk.

First hostile action comes when ASMs are spotted inbound towards Bornholm from the east, on a course which would take them over the island and directly towards the Russian patrol boat on the west. Is this some convoluted attempt to fabricate a pretext for war? "Missiles from Bornholm sink Russian patrol boat!" screams Pravda! " Russia demands immediate occupation of hostile island," proclaims Russian UN ambassador! The order goes out to shoot them down before any incident can happen, and it takes several minutes before somebody points out that some of the Russian missiles can engage ground targets too. Like those radars directly in the flight path...

The missiles are shot down by the two ready Bornholm F-16s, who then abandon Bornholm and run for Roskilde, and as this is happening the official word comes in. It's war.

Not long after AWACS starts detecting large numbers of aircraft headed for Bornholm, and fighters (4 Migs and 4 Phantoms) scramble from Laage to intercept. AWACS keeps reporting more and more planes crossing the Russian coast, with the count well up over a hundred. Just as my fighters are about to pounce on the first of the Bornholm attackers the controllers recognize that a large stream of the Russian fighters are headed for Laage. I'd like to fight, but Laage is far more important than Bornholm, and the Migs and Phantoms are recalled. Bornholm, and its last two F-16s are on their own!

The F-16s make it into the air just before the strike arrives, and they get a few before they flee to Roskilde under afterburner. Surprisingly, the Stinger gunners do a really good job, shooting down multiple inbound attackers and damaging more, but the surviving strikers bomb Bornholm, and do a moderate amount of damage. That's all right, I suppose, since I'm essentially cedeing the island to the Russians. They can fill their own bomb craters. I don't think I'll be back.

Two huge raids develop after this, one up north against the airbases on Zealand, and one down south against Laage. I really want to keep Laage intact, since it houses my best fighters, and a combination of the recalled fighters, last-minute scrambles, some Sidewinder toting strike Tornadoes, and F-16s from Skrydstrup do their best to keep the enemy away. Patriot shots (judiciously managed due to the ARM threat) prove to be very useful for disrupting the enemy's SARH shots and breaking up his formations. Despite this I keep getting driven further and further back by the fighters, and many of the Su-24s launch their Kazoos before I can get at them. (Fortunately my abundant Sidewinders can deal with those relatively easily.) The rest press on at very low altitude, getting ahead of their escorts (who have slowed down to crank). I manage to get them all, but even my Rolands are in action to do it, knocking off the last few before they hurry to relocate to new hilltops. Laage remains intact.

The situation up north is not as good. All I have there are Sidewinders, not AA-10s, so I'm at a huge range disadvantage. I scramble what I have, including large numbers of ground attack Tornados with air-to-air loadouts, and send them in with support from HAWK batteries where possible. I manage to take a heavy toll of the attackers, particularly those out front, but it's a costly endeavour. Many Su-24s launch just before I get to them, and I have to shoot Kazoos instead, and most of the HAWKs exhaust their ready loadout and get pumelled by ARMs with target memory. I had thought of pulling back again (and was wondering if I should have evacuated the Bornholm planes further back than Roskilde) when I got the message to preserve the Gulfstreams and escort my officials out. Rotten timing! A few Tornado F3s dash in, having flown direct from England and now perilously low on fuel after a final afterburner run, and manage to break up some more of the attack, but it's not enough. Vaernes and Roskilde are both bombed.

In the final tally I've done very heavy damage to the enemy, especially their attack planes with close range weapons, but my fighters, particularly the seven lost strike Tornadoes, suffered to do it. The three HAWK batteries in the region have been destroyed or rendered inoperative, and only the fourth down by Stevns Fort is still in operation. Vaerlose was bombed, losing some soft structures and access points, but the helicopters in the hardened shelters made it through safely, and the base is theoretically operational. Roskilde takes numerous hits, particularly on the hangars at the north end of the field, but amazingly the two Gulfstreams are intact. For whatever reason, the attackers chose other targets, or I got lucky and managed to hit the planes which were assigned to strike that tarmac space. A few minutes later the first Gulfstream takes off and escapes at low level, and an hour later its colleague escapes too.

While this is happening, events are moving at sea too. The Rugen patrol, two brave little patrol boats, decide to strike quickly once hostilities commence, and dash eastwards towards Bornholm, sinking the patrol boat there with Exocets. They draw volleys of fire in return, but the RAM on the Nerz proves to be amazingly effective, shooting down missile after missile from the incoming barrage. Unfortunately my missiles run out before theirs do, and the Seeadler takes a hit, and turns to limp home. The Nerz, however, turns south and plunges into the school of fishing boats, firing Exocets at the two patrol boats along the Polish shore, before turning back for home. Unfortunately neither of them make it, and, isolated and defenceless, they succumb to missile strikes from the closing Nanuchkas.

My little Danish sub, the Nordkaperen turns to close in on the AGI that's lurking east of Bornholm, sinking it with little difficulty, before turning its attention to the swarms of passing missile boats that are headed west. The British sub Unicorn is also trying to come to grips with them, but they are charging past at 34 kts, while the pathetic British torps can only do 35 kts. The missile boats would essentially have to run over the Unicorn to be in any danger, and neither of the subs manage to engage any. Instead, the missile boats proceed further west, and start firing at the Niedersachsen, which has formed up with the two patrol boats in the area and is now lurking under the protective cover of the surviving HAWK battery at Stevns Fort. Numerous missiles are fired at this little group, both SS-N-9s from the closing Nanuchkas, and even gigantic Shaddocks from the distant Kynda. The missiles are being fired extreme range at a moving uncertainty zone, so some miss by several miles. Others are shot down by HAWKs, Sparrows, RAMs, and F-16s and Drakens and F-4s flying CAP. Almost all the enemy SSMs are expended against this brave group, and none get through. After this, the Russian missile boats withdraw, leaving me free to operate in this area.

After the SSM barrage is over, one of my patrol boats rushes north at 40 kts to intercept the Emden. It arrives just as the Emden is about a dozen miles from the shore and closing. I've got a FLIR equipped helicopter on station overhead, some bomb and rocket equipped fighters loitering in readiness, and more on hot pad alert, just waiting for the call. Itchy fingers rest on triggers. What will those sneaky commies do? Turn back, that's what! The innocent Emden decides a war zone is a bad place to be, and placidly turns about and sails back towards the Atlantic. The bemused pilots watch for a while, before being ordered home, shaking their heads about paranoia in the upper ranks. The commander tosses his copy of Clancy in the trash...

The early part of the night has some ongoing skirmishing with Russian fighters, and the Fort Stevn HAWK makes a good score against enemy planes which pursue me into its reach. A Russian sub tries snorting in the Skagerrak, but that's a short-term strategy. My two eastern subs manage to kill a couple of the slower moving ASW patrol boats, as well as sinking one Krivak and damaging another. (Good job Nordkaperen!) ELINT and AWACS start getting indications of emissions from a surface group coming west along the coast, probably the cruiser group we've been warned about. The Russian aircrft have landed and are recovering from their strike, and many of their patrols have been shot down, so now is the perfect time for a Kormoran counterstroke.

A heavy strike of Tornados with Kormoran and HARMs launches towards the east, escorted by the almost all of my Tornado F3s, half my Mig-29s, and a fair number of Phantoms and F-16s. They manage to knock down the limited number of fighters the Russians have up at the moment, and the attack moves in. About half of them tackle the SAG, while the remainder spread out to tackle patrol boats and other targets. The HARM salvo is instrumental in defeating the SAG, allowing the Kormorans to get through in good numbers, but the pilots are puzzled. There were supposed to be four ships in the formation. They only found three. Where was the cruiser? The other pilots confidently expected to clear the patrol boat scourge, at one missile per boat, but there are some hiccups in that too. One of the targets is an alert Krivak, and its SA-N-4s knock down a surprising number of incoming missiles. Still, they manage to account for another 15 patrol boats, two Krivaks and a Kanin, so it's a decent night's work, and they retire in good humour. (They maintain that it was probably a Russian missile, not an errant Kormoran, which put a hole in the side of the Solar Star LNG tanker, and the colossal flash which lit up the night sky two hours later was completely unrelated.)

Partway into the raid comes the announcement that the Poles are being reincorporated into the Warsaw Pact. Does this mean we'll start getting engaged by Polish units or air defences shortly? So far nothing's happening, but it's certainly something to bear in mind.

The Russian calm doesn't last much longer. Some of their Fitters try making a raid, which is destroyed easily enough, but then we start picking up ESM indications of something big coming: at least 15 planes and counting, emitting Slot Back radars. It only takes a few minutes to tell that there's a massive strike coming up north, and most of my best fighters have just landed! It's come as you are, with no SAM support, and only a handful of long range missiles, in the face of the Russian horde. Most of the battle takes place over southern Sweden, as we try to hit the SU-24s before they can launch their payload, and the leading ones (somewhat in advance of their escorts) go down, but then it's into the cloud, and the ones that go in almost never come out. My survivors fall back, as Russian cruise missiles stream in, but Drakens (which are hopeless in dogfights) do quite well against missiles and were well positioned to catch them all. F-16s dive in on low-level attackers, killing more Fencers, but having a nasty surprise when the next pack of "Fencers" turned out to be Fulcrums with their radar off. By the time it's over I've got 11 beepers going off in southern Sweden and the Vaernes area, and those are just the ones who managed to eject. I'm not sure if it was worth it, to defend empty airbases, but I've savaged the Russian attack planes for a second time, and none of their ordnance crossed my airbase perimeters.

As dawn approaches the Russians try an un-escorted raid, which gets eaten alive, and then a tiny (2 attackers!) but heavily escorted (12 Flankers!) attack on Laage. I manage to execute a beautiful wall on that one, with 8 Tornado F3s engaging at long range, killing the majority, and then disengaging successfully. At the same time, 2 pairs of Phantoms circled around behind, to pounce on the survivors who RTBed. My main surface combatants had formed up into a decent surface group by this point, and were headed east towards Bornholm when they suddenly had torps inbound. ASROCs at the suspected launch point produced a kill, to my surprise, and my group managed to turn and outrun the torpedoes (as well as putting some Harpoons into ASW patrol craft near Bornholm). A second anti-shipping strike mid-morning did finally get rid of the remaining patrol boats, with some of the older SAM-less ones getting hit with bombs instead of Kormorans. (I'm running low on Kormorans, with no more in the magazines, but I've still got a force of 18 Tornadoes, loaded with Kormoran and HARM, to help attack expected amphibious forces.) As mid-day approached there was some more ASW activity, with the Unicorn stalking and killing a pair of Foxtrots, and another sub getting detected and sunk by surface forces near Kiel.

The scenario came to an end with a few Russian patrol craft near their shores, where I did not want to venture into the SAM zone, and the skies mostly empty of their aircraft.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/25/2018 7:58:48 PM   
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This one's a workout! Tons of planes and action, and lots of weaving and dodging for a micromanager to play with. It took me just over two weeks of occasional evening play to finish it. I must admit I was looking over my shoulder for dirty tricks, a la Iceland, and seeing them where they weren't. In retrospect, a one-boat invasion of a Danish province of 2.3 million is a far cry from picking on isolated settlements in Iceland.

I hadn't appreciated how shallow the Baltic really is. There are numerous places where my subs couldn't fully submerge, and the ones coming out of port actually spent a lot of time cruising on the surface until they eventually got to deeper water. Sub spotting is not easy in these conditions, and I never saw any of the four subs in the western Foxtrot barrier, although I crept through it, and I only met two of the eastern barrier. (One of which made noise as it was trying to ID a fish.) I never got to the Romeos. One of the Kilos I met heard me and shot first, and I only detected one myself.

I never did see the cruiser, despite my searching. After it had expended all its missiles in very long range shots, it left the group and headed back to port to reload. I never laid a glove on it.

It was interesting being on the back-end of the missile technology curve here. Those high-off-boresight AA-11s make closing with planes extra perilous (and I had to do a lot if closing). Even if you sneak up behind, they turn a little to beam your shot, and suddenly you've got a missile coming in head-on. Those long range IR missiles (Alamo Bs and Ds) are extra nasty too - can't be jammed, can't force them to break lock, and they can follow you forever.

I sent my cargo runs to Skrydstrup, Aalborg, and Vandel. Everything which could fly was evacuated out of Bornholm, Vaerlose, and Roskilde, except for a couple of rescue helicopters.

The Merchants did not immediately turn and head out of the Baltic when their EXIT mission activated. Most of them kept going on their plotted course. The Marchen Maersk and the Emden turned, both at different times within a couple of hours of the mission activating. I think what is happening is that they will stay on their plotted course despite the mission, unless something causes the AI to recalculate their course. In the case of the two ships which turned there was land in their path, and when the ship got close enough to recalculate then the mission was applied. The others, with courses in open water, continued until they reached their final waypoint, and only then did they start to turn back. 'Ignore plotted course when attacking' is on, but since these ships aren't actually attacking it probably doesn't apply. You may have to clear their course somehow (LUA?) in order to make them turn when the event activates.

Some of the strike escorts are jammers (Brewers, Su-24s), but their mission WRA is set to OECM passive, so they don't actually do any jamming.

The SEAD patrol has its radars active, which makes it easy to ID (particularly the Foxbats with their unique radar), but isn't necessary to attack their targets. Would it be advantageous to turn the radar off and deny the player some information? On the other hand, it does give the Fencers a chance to use their AAMs against head-on targets. I'm not sure which would be better.

Would it be worth removing the buildings from the Laage strike target list, and concentrating only on operational targets? There are 36 building targets in there which I guess would somewhat dilute the strike effectiveness. The other strikes are operational targets only.

I'd suggest removing the major SAMs (Patriots, Hawks, Rolands) from airbase groups, so it's easier for the player to see them and control them. I have to admit I didn't even notice the HAWK at Roskilde was there until the attackers were almost on top of it!

The coastal defense Sepals are not on a mission, and will not fire on known NATO ships. If you switch them to Engage Opportunities: yes then they will fire. (Unless they're deliberately being held in reserve?)

The cargo delivery missions trigger once the C-130 has been in the proper area for 10 minutes. This means that the trigger fires every 10 minutes while the C-130 is refueling on the ground, so you get multiple cargo deliveries for one flight.

Geographical markers for Riga and Gotland (mentioned in the briefing as locations for enemy ships) might be handy for the geographically challenged.

The missile boats may need to increase their salvo size. Firing a pair of missiles at a RAM equipped target simply means that the pair will be shot down. It will usually take more than that to break through.

The Russians are flying 'weapons tight', which really hampers their Flankers, by preventing effective use of their long-range missiles. Russian AWACS doesn't have NCTR capability, so if NATO planes aren't radiating the Russians will see them as yellow unknowns until they manage to gt a visual ID. This means they'll forego a lot of their 70 mile range in closing engagements.



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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/25/2018 9:04:04 PM   
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Thanks Andrew - always enjoy your reports!

Some good points in there that I'll fix. Not sure why you're so paranoid?

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/27/2018 9:15:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Thanks Andrew - always enjoy your reports!

Some good points in there that I'll fix. Not sure why you're so paranoid?

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Now I am sure you are going to add a trick into the scenario when you update it next!

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/27/2018 11:59:35 AM   
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Hi Gunner98, thanks very much for this scenario! This has really been one of the best scenarios I've ever played through. It felt almost unwinnable at first; in my second attempt I decided to sacrifice Vaerlose, and was much more successful.

Here's my feedback other than the point about AIM-9L resupply already mentioned:

- I think the placement of AWACS and lack of active ground radars allows the NATO player to hide fighters from the offensive counter air sweeps by keeping them over airbases like Vaerlose and Roskilde, where they can attack cruise missiles and non-standoff strikers without being quickly intercepted by WP fighters, due to being hidden from radar. I suggest either or both of moving the A-50 track 75nm west or have the Big Bird, Tall Rack, Tin Trap etc radars currently positioned at the coast in Kaliningrad active at the start of the scenario. Initially there won't be much of a danger of WP fighters being lured over active Hawk batteries because of the massive SEAD firepower the first wave is packing.
- Why not add HVA escorts for the A-50? No one ever seems to do this, and it was very easy to send F-16s in on HVAA missions later on. Maybe Command doesn't offer an easy way of doing this.
- Su-24M2 seems too modern for this scenario (DB suggests 2009?), although they do add welcome difficulty to AIM-9L interceptions since they carry the R-73.
- The Poland situation feels strange - if they've rejoined the WP (or about to at scenario start), it's odd that their airspace is open. Why not put a no nav zone for NATO, justified by a desire to keep Poland out of the war? I presume you quite reasonably didn't want to have to add Polish airbases and air defences.
- I exhausted the SAMs on my Bremen class frigate quickly but was disappointed that I couldn't reload them at the naval base. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a historically accurate fact about NATO readiness for an extended conflict.
- After making a concerted effort to pursue and destroy any Flankers or Fulcrums that I detected, I went for hours without seeing any fighters. Might it be a good idea to stagger the AI ready times so that at least one or two flights will launch semi-regularly, even if only to do a coastal patrol? It felt rather odd operating with seeming impunity over Kaliningrad for hours on end.
- The lack of active air defence radars or other surveilance units in Kaliningrad and the Baltic states makes it possible to approach SA-10 batteries at low level and bomb them with MK-82 AIRs (having located them with the RF-4 SLAR), once the A-50s are dead. The 2nm SA-10 minimum range means that the battery won't see a low-level aircraft before it's too late to engage, at least during night and dawn. How about a few Tunguska units? Even if you feel they should operate under strict EMCON, Tunguska fire units include LLTV and IR sensors, which I suspect would make things quite difficult for the NATO player.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 8/27/2018 3:39:40 PM   
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Thanks templar42 - some great points which I'll tidy up.

The Su-24s should be 'M' and not 'M2s' I'll fix that, will need to tighten up the escorts a little
I just checked on the Sea Sparrows - Germany purchased 375 in three lots for the Bremen and Brandenburg class, they need 192 to equip all 12 ships so there should be some reloads available. Will fix.

Will work on an update this coming weekend.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 9/1/2018 1:30:47 AM   
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OK here's an update for this one. Fixed the issues noted above. Added a couple surprises... couldn't resist

The No Nav Zone in Poland is going to be a bit of a PITA but it will get modified later in the scenario. The end game should be a bit more of a challange as well.

Enjoy. Still looking for any comments you may have.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 9/1/2018 9:23:59 AM   
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Loving what I presume are the SOF, although my only detection has been their machine guns hitting radar dishes!

I forgot about this in my original feedback. As per my thread in the tech support section about the R-27 ARM, could I suggest not using that loadout? The dev team seem to agree there's a genuine issue with the missile, since it can and will be launched against non-emitting targets, and homes in on them infallibly.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 9/1/2018 10:31:34 AM   
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Roger, missed that in the Tech threads, don't follow them too closely.

My experience is that once Dimitris has an issue such as this in hand it is fixed pretty quickly.

I just checked the scenario, I think it is the R-27P you're refering to - correct? There are 4x Su-27s with that loadout at Chkalovsk in Kaliningrad (159 IAP #33-36), they are on a mission 'AWACS Strike'.

Attached is a version with a different loadout for them, but if you've already started, you can either disable that mission or change those loadouts.

Just need to remember to change it back once the issue is fixed.

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RE: New Scenario for testing: Baltic Fury #1 Storm th... - 9/2/2018 2:02:06 AM   
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Yes the R-27P (Alamo E). It's a pity because it's a great weapon for an AWACS strike mission.

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