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IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/19/2018 1:49:06 AM   
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hi all! Looking for references to convoy setup to ship from southern area to home islands. I know I have seen charts out there. Any help?

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/19/2018 4:32:41 AM   
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What do you mean charts?

Basically, you need to pull stuff from islands that it "spawns" on (is created on, is created by, whatever you want to call it) and haul it to Japan. While Tracker isn't necessary for this, it would be very helpful. You can sort by which regions (and/or which bases) have the stockpiles of resources that you need to pull.

I have not really been able to get Resources, and not all Fuel/Oil, to flow through Asia from Singapore or other ports. Some seems to do so, but not all that much. Singapore, being the largest port by far in the area, will naturally pull in a lot of Resources/Oil/Fuel. Presumably, you will be dumping Fuel/Oil from Sumatra there as well. Maybe even Java or Balikpapan.

In any case, you should familiarize yourself with the loading limits at each port, which is dependent upon the port size and the Resources or Oil numbers at a base (these help with loading rates above and beyond what the port facilities do). Then find yourself some ships that will load up in a day, or an even 2 days, and have at it.


Of course, you can also always just send ships to where there's stuff to be picked up.

In game, you can find these bases (if you don't want to browse around the map) by pushing 'J' and then sorting by how much Fuel/Oil/Resources they have. The big places you'll see accumulate "stuff" would be: Balikpapan, Soerabaja, Palembang, Miri/Brunei, Singapore, and various places in the Philippines. There are some other, smaller sources that are worth grabbing if you've got ships going that way anyway.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/19/2018 11:38:04 AM   
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This is a good primer: CLICK HERE

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/23/2018 10:25:00 PM   
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Thank you Lokasenna! I believe (and may still have somewhere unfound) A chart listing southern resource locations, and recommended shipping allocations to transport whatever it is they produce to either Japan, Singapore, Truk etc. I've just had a re-start with my total rookie Allied OP (as opposed to my advanced ROOKIE status)and I'm just trying to pre-collect the required shipping. Thank you for your suggestions, and I get the gist, I was just seeking a shortcut that I think exists, but haven't found in my 'book'

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/23/2018 10:26:39 PM   
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Thank You Anachro! (time sliding over the edge?) I have the primer. Just looking for something I put where I would remember whre it was, but don't.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 6:55:38 AM   
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You only need to bother yourself with shipping liquids (oil and fuel) from the south. Lokasenna named all the relevant the bases.
As for Resourses themselves - don't bother, unless you have empty ships available on site and heading for Japan anyway, e.g. from troop/supply convoys. There is enough Resources in China/Korea/Sakhalin to cover all your production needs and not expose your shipping to unnecessary risks

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 2:17:58 PM   
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That said, is there a good thread for discussing how to setup the "magical road" through China as opposed to Shipping by sea from the Singapore hub? Is it just a matter of manipulating port levels and resource/oil hubs so everything travels up and into Korea?

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 4:33:47 PM   
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I think there's something that'll help, but I can't seem to find it. Give me a bit and I'll try again.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 4:48:59 PM   
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This isn't exactly what I was searching for, but I think its very good and helpful for newbie's.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3329605

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 5:03:23 PM   
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OK, I can't find what I'm looking for, but I know I have a hard copy and I'll get the authors' name and use that to find it later.

Something I just went back to look at though is the beginning of Mike Sollis' AAR. Check it out. There's a wealth of info there for a beginner.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/24/2018 5:12:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

You only need to bother yourself with shipping liquids (oil and fuel) from the south. Lokasenna named all the relevant the bases.
As for Resourses themselves - don't bother, unless you have empty ships available on site and heading for Japan anyway, e.g. from troop/supply convoys. There is enough Resources in China/Korea/Sakhalin to cover all your production needs and not expose your shipping to unnecessary risks


I found myself running very large supply convoys to places like Singapore or Luzon at certain times in my games. Early on, I loaded them up with Resources. Later, I noticed I had about 1.3M Fuel sitting at Singapore (along with 2M Resources...), so just began using the xAKs to transport that instead.


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

That said, is there a good thread for discussing how to setup the "magical road" through China as opposed to Shipping by sea from the Singapore hub? Is it just a matter of manipulating port levels and resource/oil hubs so everything travels up and into Korea?


It's been discussed here and there, and I think there was a thread perhaps called "Magic Coast Road"... if you search for that on google, you might find something. Use '"magic coast road" site:matrixgames.com' for your search term (drop the 's) and you might find a few threads or posts where it's mentioned.

The short version is: understanding that demand is driven by port size and some other factors. The largest port on an island will naturally accumulate all or nearly all of the surplus Resources, Fuel, and Supplies unless you change something at other locations (setting stockpiling, increased supply numbers, basing ships there, etc.). One common way of increasing demand for Resources at a port that is not the largest is to just load up resources there. This, apparently, creates some demand (that you can't see directly). My experience with this is building up Fusan to level 8 and loading resources there, for transit across the Tsushima Strait. It does seem to draw plenty of resources to max out the port's capacity for loading them onto ships every day, but that's about it. I still needed to draw from other sources (Hokkaido, Sakhalin, for a time I even shipped from Hong Kong).

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/29/2018 8:27:33 PM   
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quote:

There is enough Resources in China/Korea/Sakhalin to cover all your production needs and not expose your shipping to unnecessary risks


Yeah, not so sure about this, but... TBH I've not run the numbers to see if they add up. Then again I do a number of things that I'm sure would cause many here to howl. Nothing 'illegal'.

As for myself, my attitude is to get everything I possibly can to the HI while the U.S. torps suck. So throughout '42 there's not a whole lot to worry about when it comes to U.S. subs, especially if you have escorts for your convoys.

As to the 'Magic Highway' I don't use it as I feel there's not enough infrastructure to ship all to the HI. Its why they used shipping to do it, and for the most part still do. So I'd recommend that you check with your opponent before you attempt to implement it.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/29/2018 9:50:10 PM   
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/sb4koy01abdrboj/Draft.doc?dl=0

This was what I was looking for, been in a few recent threads. Thanks for the assist guys.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/30/2018 9:51:46 PM   
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Thanks again to all! I do have the primer and some other cut and paste notes. Wouldn't it be best to send as much of everything (ie liquids + resources) to Japan. For the (inevitable?)eventual total blockade? If I have the shipping early and resources are stacking up is it not better to have them stack up in the home islands?(agreeing with rustysi here) I have read some about the 'magic road'. My opponent and I have no house rules, but I haven't really decide on pursuing that. It does strike me as a feasible situation that the Japanese perhaps could have made more use of. Railroads being railroads. I gave the yanks a re-start after he realized how very careful the US must be with CVs the first couple turns. I do not hunt them, but I was operating off Johnston and stumbled into Enterprise and then found he was very aggressive around Wake with Lex. It wasn't looking good for red, white and blue. If I can just re-finish turn one, hopefully we can get into the game proper. Thanks again!

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/30/2018 10:49:27 PM   
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I gave the yanks a re-start after he realized how very careful the US must be with CVs the first couple turns. I do not hunt them, but I was operating off Johnston and stumbled into Enterprise and then found he was very aggressive around Wake with Lex.


That was very generous of you, especially considering that the Allies can easily recover from one lost carrier. Him making a mistake in his orders or something, I can understand. Him being overly-aggressive is just him reaping what he sows.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/31/2018 5:57:04 AM   
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Actually my n.1 problem by far related to and with resources-oil moving and transportation is the escorts...as to say convoy shipping and organization, and escort gathering, which is by far my heaviest task and chore in the game

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/31/2018 6:18:06 PM   
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quote:

I have read some about the 'magic road'. My opponent and I have no house rules, but I haven't really decide on pursuing that. It does strike me as a feasible situation that the Japanese perhaps could have made more use of. Railroads being railroads.


I'm not saying that this route is totally unfeasible. I'm sure Japan could have organized some transportation along this route. I seriously doubt they could have gotten it all through using this method. My biggest 'gripe' with this route is that there's no real way for the Allies to interdict it. To me that 'cat and mouse' game is part of play and just too much fun to take away. I sent it, you find and sink it, if you can!!!

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That was very generous of you, especially considering that the Allies can easily recover from one lost carrier.


Sounds like two, but whatever... Its obvious that your opponent has learned the hard way that a '600 lb gorilla' sits wherever it wishes to. The only real pain is the restart time involved. Why didn't you just go back to the 'day after' and start from there? Of course mentioning that he do something 'completely different'. Hehe.

Also if you let your opponent know that if he posts something here, and you agree not to look when he says you're not allowed, he's sure to get several responses back rather quickly that'll advise him one way or another.

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Actually my n.1 problem by far related to and with resources-oil moving and transportation is the escorts


Yup, Japan is always short on escorts. Then add in all the 'upgrades' where the boats will be in the yards for several weeks or more and you'll end up pulling out what's left of your hair trying to work it out. It can and has to be done though. With some practice and experience it can be accomplished. Read page one of Mike Solli's AAR, he goes into quite a bit of detail on how and what vessels to use as escorts.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 5/31/2018 9:10:04 PM   
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EE - The restart - My opponent is a total cherry at this gam, and the incident occurred 3-4 days after PH. I don't think he quite correctly imagined the 600lb gorilla.

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RE: IJ Shipping from southern resource are - 6/1/2018 7:26:56 PM   
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quote:

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EE - The restart - My opponent is a total cherry at this gam, and the incident occurred 3-4 days after PH. I don't think he quite correctly imagined the 600lb gorilla.


Uh-ha, lessons learned.

Not that unusual.

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