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Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:13:12 PM   
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Due to my comments on this thread earlier this week, I will be an Admiral Nimitz per se and take over as Allied Commander on 42 Jan 18th.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4474248

I just received a confirmation from Donald (Japan) that he is good with me taking over. Yesterday, I had a series of PMs from von Beanie (Norm) and had started my orders (got everything in USA and Eastern Pacific done to SoPac area.

Donald is not allowed beyond this post as I will give a screenshot and some details of where I'm at. This is Scen 1 and a stock game. Long, long time since I've played stock.
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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:14:53 PM   
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I'm not going to continue my game. You are most welcome to contact my opponent: Don and see if it is practical to do so. I know he wants to continue and, in fact, offered to switch sides with me. He sent me the current turn files again, and I'd be happy to change my passwords to whatever you want, and forward the combat summary and game files to you.

My situation isn't hopeless by any means. I successfully defended Midway in December by reinforcing it as the KB was retreating from PH. Repulse and Prince of Wales are almost at South Africa for repairs. I haven't lost any major ships except two BBs from the Pearl Harbor raid. He has lost a Hiryu-class CV to one of my subs.

Although both Singapore and Clark base are under siege and will eventually fall, I've saved everything that my political points could save. Celebes, Borneo, Java and Sumatra are essentially empty except for the forces needed for garrisons. I've already created a substantial base at Luganville, Koepang and a few other locales to defend Australia and give you good, impregnable starting bases for the reconquest of the DEI. Because his main CV force is near Portland, I even put a defense and construction force at Tulagi almost half a year ahead of time. In short, I'm pretty sure I could win this by 1944 without the CVEs, AKs and TKs, but I just don't care to continue a game with a player willing to take advantage of the game system by doing the suicide mission at Portland.

And I would be happy to provide any other details you might want to know about the situation.

Just let me know if you want to continue, your preferred passwords (which you can change to something else later), and your email address, and I'll be happy to forward to you the two current Allied game files.

Best wishes, Norm

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:17:39 PM   
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I as fly in to San Fran from Washington, DC, I'm briefed on this situation.






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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:23:05 PM   
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Am I missing the airframes and air groups as part of "Emergency Reinforcements" as I don't see them anywhere.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:28:11 PM   
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This should help, but maybe not in time.




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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 6:52:16 PM   
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I believe that your air groups should move up by 6 months. I am not sure when that actually happens, maybe the next turn?

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 7:08:23 PM   
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It's like Harry Heth at Gettysburg. They are just trying to get the shoes at the Nike plant in Portland. It's all a terrible misunderstanding!

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 7:10:49 PM   
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Get something in the mountain passes out of Portland...if you have anything.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 7:35:45 PM   
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This is fascinating. I am relatively new to the game and the forums (at least compared to most regulars ), and I have not followed an AAR with a West Coast invasion before.

I will be following this :)

Mind if I ask a couple of questions?
Do you already have some strategy / objective in mind, IF you do lose Portland (and all those prospective CVEs)?
Perhaps some target you want to use your new toys against? Any ideas of how to approach the problems caused by the lack of CVEs?

If you have not thought about it yet, or prefer not to say for whatever reason, it's fine of course.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 8:19:09 PM   
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Good luck;

Did you also get:
Scen1 2nd tank br - Canada & Provisional tank bde -Mojave


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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 9:02:05 PM   
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Keep Portland Weird.




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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 9:19:31 PM   
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Am I missing the airframes and air groups as part of "Emergency Reinforcements" as I don't see them anywhere.


This is what I got in my test seven years ago. Note the date. Might be the difference.

Also note that the NZ package is co-mingled. Sorry. The USA stuff should be obvious.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Mar 26, 42

No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
No additional repairs possible on DD Rathburne
using currently assigned resources at Los Angeles
No additional repairs possible on SS KXV
using currently assigned resources at Soerabaja
Ship Withdrawals: 2 overdue (40 Daily PP, 1680 Accumulated PP)
Group Withdrawals:
43 overdue (513 Daily PP, 18753 Accumulated PP)
WC invaded! Counter invasion forces released.
New Zealand invaded! Counter invasion forces released.

Bateson, R.N. reassigned
xAK Goyo Maru is reported to have been sunk near San Francisco on Mar 26, 1942
xAK Hitati Maru is reported to have been sunk near San Francisco on Mar 26, 1942
xAK Syohei Maru is reported to have been sunk near San Francisco on Mar 26, 1942
VMD-1 arrives at San Diego
VMD-2 arrives at San Diego
VMF-123 arrives at San Diego
VMF-124 arrives at San Diego
VMSB-143 arrives at San Diego
VMSB-144 arrives at San Diego
VMO-151 arrives at Eastern USA
VMF-213 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-214 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-223 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMF-224 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-233 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-234 arrives at Pearl Harbor
VMSB-242 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMSB-243 arrives at Santa Barbara
VMSB-244 arrives at San Diego
VP-61 arrives at Alameda
VP-62 arrives at Alameda
VS-6D14 arrives at Alameda
ZP-32 arrives at Alameda
No.118 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.132 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.133 Sqn RCAF arrives at Nelson
No.135 Sqn RCAF arrives at Canada
No.147 Sqn RCAF arrives at Vancouver
9th PS arrives at Spokane
71st OG/17th OS arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/9th BS arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/11th BS arrives at Aden
7th BG/22nd BS arrives at San Francisco
43rd BG/63rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/64th BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/65th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/69th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/70th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/71st BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/319th BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/320th BS arrives at Eastern USA
90th BG/321st BS arrives at Eastern USA
307th BG/370th BS arrives at Spokane
307th BG/371st BS arrives at Spokane
307th BG/372nd BS arrives at Spokane
308th BG/373rd BS arrives at Boise
308th BG/374th BS arrives at Boise
308th BG/375th BS arrives at Boise
90th BG/400th BS arrives at Eastern USA
43rd BG/403rd BS arrives at Eastern USA
28th CG/404th BS arrives at Eastern USA
38th BG/405th BS arrives at Eastern USA
307th BG/35th RS arrives at Spokane
308th BG/36th RS arrives at Boise
341st BG/490th BS arrives at Aden
341st BG/491st BS arrives at Karachi
301st BG/32nd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/352nd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/353rd BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/419th BS arrives at Mojave
301st BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/358th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/359th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/360th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/427th BS arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/BS (Comp) arrives at Mojave
7th BG/9th BS Det arrives at San Francisco
7th BG/88th RS Det arrives at San Francisco
23rd FG/74th FS arrives at Aden
23rd FG/75th FS arrives at Aden
23rd FG/76th FS arrives at Aden
328th FG/326th FS arrives at San Francisco
328th FG/327th FS arrives at San Francisco
328th FG/329th FS arrives at San Francisco
329th FG/330th FS arrives at San Francisco
329th FG/331st FS arrives at San Francisco
18th FG/333rd FS arrives at Pearl Harbor
55th FG/338th FS arrives at Portland
329th FG/332nd FS arrives at San Francisco
374th TCG/6th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
13th TCS arrives at Eastern USA
22nd TS arrives at Melbourne
42nd TCS arrives at Anchorage
1st FeG/3rd FeS arrives at Aden
1st FeG/6th FeS arrives at Aden
1st FeG/13th FeS arrives at Aden
7th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco
307th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Spokane
308th BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Boise
301st BG/Hq Sqn arrives at Mojave
303rd BG/Hq sqn arrives at Mojave
23rd FG/Hq Sqn arrives at Aden
35th PG/Hq Sqn arrives at San Francisco
II USA Armored Corps arrives at San Luis Obispo
II USA Corps arrives at Salt Lake City
2nd Armored Division arrives at Salt Lake City
4th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
8th Motorized Division arrives at Salt Lake City
36th Infantry Division arrives at Salt Lake City
Provisional Tank Brigade arrives at Mojave
2nd Army Tank Brigade arrives at Canada
Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City


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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 9:58:52 PM   
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Good luck, my hat is off to the bold Japanese player...this done in a scenario 1 game.

6000 men is probably 180 AV of Naval Guard type troops?

Any PT boats available...well, you know what to do...I suspect Japan will be in for a horrible game long term.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 10:08:06 PM   
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So did none of those emergency reinforcements arrive??? Sounds like a scenario error.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 10:11:48 PM   
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So did none of those emergency reinforcements arrive??? Sounds like a scenario error.


IF I recall correctly, it might take a day as the check occurs at the beginning of the turn. I tested a December invasion Canada a couple years back.


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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/6/2018 11:14:52 PM   
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My first turn is away!! A no Stack Limit (SL) game......

Thanks, Mr Moose, it looks like I did get everything.
Just so much to do and begin to wrap my head around things.
Lots of airgroups without any planes.

Meanwhile, looks like base development around "Fortress Timor."
Koepang, Lautem, Darwin, and Broome have good number of Dutch troops that were attached to ABDA with significant supplies and fuel.
Java is mainly stripped.
Many Allied warships here, but Repulse and Prince of Wales are limping to Cape Town.

Other non-normal bastion are Port Blair, Tulagi, Luganville (3 American CVs plus), and some additional at Port Moresby.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 12:41:44 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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So did none of those emergency reinforcements arrive??? Sounds like a scenario error.


IF I recall correctly, it might take a day as the check occurs at the beginning of the turn. I tested a December invasion Canada a couple years back.


Oh, I haven't reading the other thread, didn't know this was the actual invasion turn.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 1:31:28 AM   
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Yes, the thing to do is resist like Hell with continental troops and reinforce or counterattack at
key points elsewhere. You might be able to get the USN carriers in among the supply train that must be on its way from Japan.

Also note Tacoma builds quite a few CVE as well and then there is the literally priceless B-17 and B-29 production at Seattle. The Portland CVE's don't even begin to arrive before mid 1943. I predict the newly unrestricted B-17's and ground troops will more than make up for it.

Can't lose Seattle under any circumstances.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 3:20:45 AM   
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If this is not a just a quick raid the Japs may not be content with running supplies from the Home Islands to the U.S. west coast. Look for them to maybe establish a base at Midway, or in the Aleutians.

Not only for relaying supplies, but as a CRUCIAL repair base for damaged ships.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 3:31:19 AM   
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Even I have never, ever seriously contemplated invading the WC. KUDOS for the Japanese Player. As Michael and I talked a few days ago the industrial consequences of the Japanese actually capturing ANY of these bases makes for a real interesting change in the 43--44--45 aspect of the match.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 4:12:18 AM   
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Yes, you have to admit the Portland idea is pretty clever. Poorly defended. Sail right up the river......Port-land-ia

By ra way...I think you can get to Bellingham without going past the Oak Harbor guns.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 4:18:22 AM   
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Also under no circumstances should the LYB's be allowed to capture Piroshky's Bakery in Seattle. If they get the recipe to the smoked salmon pastry the war is over.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 10:22:16 AM   
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42 Jan 18: The Battle for Oregon is mainly over...


Ground combat at Portland (213,56)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10240 troops, 113 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 876

Defending force 934 troops, 9 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 14

Japanese adjusted assault: 157

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 52 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Portland !!!


Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
53rd Division
4th Division

44th Field AA Battalion
1st Fleet
11th Air Defense AA Regiment
21st Air Defense AA Regiment
34th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
144th Infantry Rgt /1
117th USAAF Base Force

Looks like he is here for a while with base now having 7 LCUs = 35920 trps, 275 guns, 27 AFVs
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Ground combat at Astoria (211,55)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3536 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 122

Defending force 148 troops, 17 guns, 20 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 107

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 107 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Astoria !!!


Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (24 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
24th Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
Columbia R Defenses


Notes: When I looks at CVE reinforcements I'm down to 21 CVE for rest of game.
Looks like I lost over 70 CVEs plus other shipping.
OUCH!!

KB is 3 due west of Portland 113F, 163B, 40 Aux

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 11:30:46 AM   
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Scen 1 Portland

46 CVE
7 AM
9 APA
5 AK
3 AKA
28 LST
46 PC
76 TK
216 xAK


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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 12:01:01 PM   
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Scen 1 Portland

46 CVE
7 AM
9 APA
5 AK
3 AKA
28 LST
46 PC
76 TK
216 xAK



Ouch. The Portland Gambit. We have been warned.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 12:03:44 PM   
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quote:

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Scen 1 Portland

46 CVE
7 AM
9 APA
5 AK
3 AKA
28 LST
46 PC
76 TK
216 xAK



Yikes! losing 76 tankers on top of 46 CVEs is gonna hurt!

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 1:07:57 PM   
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Well, you knew the airfield defenders at Portland were going to fold. If you ask me the amphibious assault ships are worse than the TK's. Also, I don't think the CVE air complements show up without the CVE's..so that has to be at least 1000 AC, more likely 1400 or so (46 CVE from Portland in DBB...ight be more in stock). Ouch.

FWIW you do have good terrain for the defense of Tacoma and Seattle. Wooded rough at Tacoma and then you have the Cascades East of Seattle. You can probably hold the rail link to Vancouver. Get some infantry of some sort to Oak Harbor to help keep IJN BB's out of Puget Sound...and mine the BeJesus out of it. Eastern Washington doesn't matter after the initial surge of reinforcements from Salt Lake. Everything can eventually reach Seattle via Canada..including Eastern US.

Also, don't forget, the damage to the Japan war cause has been done in terms of emergency reinforcements so they might land at Santa Ana or Cap Pendleton and try to take San Diego to take out all the B-24's. If you lose all your B-17, B-29 and B-24 on map production you are well and mightily screwed.






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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 1:22:43 PM   
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Also this. If he brought paras and transports...wings on, on a CVL for instance...or an AKL (if Japan has any)...he could take Ogden or Boise and Butte and stop your strategic movement toward Seattle.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 1:23:53 PM   
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There is also this. You could be the first person in AE to use a nuke on an American city.

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RE: Invasion USA!! Dontra85 (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - 5/7/2018 1:24:45 PM   
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This is why I freaked out in my game against NJP and his apparent move toward Hawaii and the west coast and moved the Canadian and British divisions to America.



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