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Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 2:44:03 PM   
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Windows will 'update' your Windows 10 computer soon. Next week or so. It's not an update. It's an upgrade. Potential problems will ensue. Plan for a long installation time. Around an hour at best from what the tech guy tells me. Gird your loins.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 2:59:44 PM   
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This is why I'm still on Windows 7, I don't need M$ to dictate what I update and when I update so if it has any problems I can choose to wait.

My PC at work however isn't as lucky, it's running Windows 10 so am not looking forward in ''updating'' at the worst possible time when I need to do my job. The last one took around 4 hours when I really needed it for work.....

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 3:15:22 PM   
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It's impossible, Zakblood told us that windows 10 was the last!

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 3:50:58 PM   
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The other bizarre behavior I've notice on my Win 10 with certain updates is my PC performance drops. When I've checked Task Manager my memory is 99% full and my hard drive is very active. Reboots do not resolve the issue. I need to perform a restart to fix it. Google the issue and you will find few hits.

I do not like that at all.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 4:03:28 PM   
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there has been 4 versions from the RC version which first came out as windows 10

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows-10/release-information


each build is a new version in it's own right, and a complete new install or upgrade, depending on which you chose to do, for me i always do a clean install.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 4:15:52 PM   
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The 1/18/2018 version 1709 has caused our desktop to spontaneously reboot a couple of times a week and we still have not found a way around that.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 4:52:06 PM   
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if it's an upgrade from a old none standard windows 10 version, eg from windows 7 or 8 etc, i'd do a clean install, if its a clean install or upgrade from another windows 10 version, i'd try so newer drivers or see if there all windows 10 compatible etc, no issue for me, then again might just be lucky with hardware and have used it since alpha testing more than a few years ago now

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-delete-the-windows-old-folder-from-windows-10/


on the step 3 bit, tick all and empty the lot tbh, as none is needed

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 4:56:59 PM   
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quote:

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The 1/18/2018 version 1709 has caused our desktop to spontaneously reboot a couple of times a week and we still have not found a way around that.

quote:

version 1709 has caused our desktop to spontaneously reboot a couple of times


go to Power Options, then "Choose What The Power Button Does", then "Change settings that are currently unavailable" then UNCHECK "Turn on fast startup (recommended)" then hit "save changes". SHUT DOWN the computer completely, then turn it back on. Something about that setting causes fatal errors, changing may help you, and worth a try anyway as you have nothing to loose.

good luck

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 7:37:21 PM   
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This is why I'm still on Windows 7, I don't need M$ to dictate what I update and when I update so if it has any problems I can choose to wait.

How is that Windoze 7? I've been thinking of upgrading TO it, but I have heard (and STILL continue to hear) complaints about its backwards compatibility? And isn't windoze 7 one of the versions that Windoze 10 took control of and replaced, uninvited?


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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 8:47:12 PM   
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I don't need M$ to dictate what I update and when I update

Not related to anything in this thread but it reminds me of my new 'smart' tv that I got 6 months ago and at the same time 'upgraded' to a Comcast X-1 box. Comcast 'updates' every 24 hours and will automatically turn on the tv when this happens, or if is is already on and you are watching something you have a very brief message to delay the update. It will stop what you are watching and reboot the system, takes 5-10 minutes.

Comcasts solutions are to A] unplug the tv, and B] set the updates to occur when you are not watching.

Thanks [sarcasm there].

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/2/2018 11:38:43 PM   
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I don't need M$ to dictate what I update and when I update

Comcast 'updates' every 24 hours and will automatically turn on the tv when this happens, or if is is already on and you are watching something you have a very brief message to delay the update. It will stop what you are watching and reboot the system, takes 5-10 minutes.

We control the vertical. We control the horizontal...





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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 11:10:51 AM   
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This is why I'm still on Windows 7, I don't need M$ to dictate what I update and when I update so if it has any problems I can choose to wait.

How is that Windoze 7? I've been thinking of upgrading TO it, but I have heard (and STILL continue to hear) complaints about its backwards compatibility? And isn't windoze 7 one of the versions that Windoze 10 took control of and replaced, uninvited?



For me Windows 7 is the last good Microsoft OS, is it flawless? No, but it doesn't give you a daily headache like the crashing mess called Windows ME did, or caused by the awful design of Windows 8 in general. I moved from Windows XP to Windows 7 and don't plan to ever go back to XP, for me Windows 7 does everything I need it to do.

As for Backward compatibility well what are we talking about? Programs? Devices or Games?
I can only answer Games from personal experience as my PC at home is purely for that purpose and nothing else so I can't tell you much about programs or devices like printers, scanner or what have you plugged into the PC.

As for games,in short so far I have no issues perhaps I got lucky with the titles I used to run back on the days of Win95 & 98. Naturally some require the use of Dosbox for it to work or perhaps a bit of troubleshooting for a solution online.

Yes, Windows 7 like 8 where victims of the ''Update to Windows 10 for free'', before that I was pretty ingorant and had auto-update on to get my dose of security patches like anyone else would want to, when one of the updates installed that what I call Microsoft's Ad-ware which asked you if you wanted to sign up for the free update to Windows 10 to which I said ''NO'' thinking it would end right there and leave me alone...I quickly discovered it didn't as it kept giving me a pop up at start up about this Windows 10 update that it rubbed me the wrong way. I removed the KB update that was responsible for this and switched off auto-update. Good thing too because the Computer at work which ran Windows 8 (yeah garbage OS but I only need it to connect to a remote server to do my work) and left the auto-update on as the Computer isn't my property. One day when I booted up, opened shop and when I sat down I was looking at a taunting message that said it'll start to update to windows 10 unless I clicked this button but was too late as it started before I could reach for my mouse. Pretty disgusting move if you ask me.


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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 11:18:59 AM   
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I actually like my Windows 10 set up. It plays everything with no problems for over 9 years on this computer. However, upgrade could make me wrong.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 11:32:48 AM   
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there seems to be quite a lot of user who don't like it, and that's a fair comment and point, but as most new modern pc's won't now come with anything else, in the end, it's either stay on your older hardware or get used to it, for me, a very big fan of windows 10 and gaming, it's the best thing since windows 98SE.

so either hate it or love it, but don't forget most you hear are myths about it,...

plays 99% of all pc games, including DOS, if you use a emulator and are more than ok at setting it up.

a clean install is always better than a upgraded from version, imo,...

and any operating system is only as good as the drivers for your hardware, so if it doesn't work so good for you, take a look at the dates of your hardware / drivers and see which is to blame, before knocking it and saying it's rubbish and doesn't work.

it's the fastest O/S on the market to install and setup from scratch on a good hardware, the simplest to repair if damage with very good inbuilt tools to self recover and repair.

auto back up, auto anti virus and malware protection and file encryption built in if you need it or use it, auto update, it's not an error it's a feature and tbh takes away any burden from the none techy person and user, and all those who know how to can disable it anyway if needed, but why would you?

if your happy with what you have, that's fine, as long as your hardware lasts, as soon as it fails, you won't get much choice, the future is here, it's your choice to live in it "the future", or not, use it or don't, but in the end, it will or won't be long before it's needed with almost all new games as support will be there for the older ones, but i can see it coming sooner rather than later as a pre requite for some game if not all games in another year or so, so plenty of time for your hardware to last before you will need to upgrade to it, eg windows 10

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 12:06:05 PM   
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there seems to be quite a lot of user who don't like it, and that's a fair comment and point, but as most new modern pc's won't now come with anything else, in the end, it's either stay on your older hardware or get used to it, for me, a very big fan of windows 10 and gaming, it's the best thing since windows 98SE.

so either hate it or love it, but don't forget most you hear are myths about it,...

plays 99% of all pc games, including DOS, if you use a emulator and are more than ok at setting it up.

a clean install is always better than a upgraded from version, imo,...

and any operating system is only as good as the drivers for your hardware, so if it doesn't work so good for you, take a look at the dates of your hardware / drivers and see which is to blame, before knocking it and saying it's rubbish and doesn't work.

it's the fastest O/S on the market to install and setup from scratch on a good hardware, the simplest to repair if damage with very good inbuilt tools to self recover and repair.

auto back up, auto anti virus and malware protection and file encryption built in if you need it or use it, auto update, it's not an error it's a feature and tbh takes away any burden from the none techy person and user, and all those who know how to can disable it anyway if needed, but why would you?

if your happy with what you have, that's fine, as long as your hardware lasts, as soon as it fails, you won't get much choice, the future is here, it's your choice to live in it "the future", or not, use it or don't, but in the end, it will or won't be long before it's needed with almost all new games as support will be there for the older ones, but i can see it coming sooner rather than later as a pre requite for some game if not all games in another year or so, so plenty of time for your hardware to last before you will need to upgrade to it, eg windows 10

This..... Got Win10 when it was free, and never regretted it. It is fine with DOSbox, even runs SSI's Imperialism II when the mood strikes me to play it.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 3:47:15 PM   
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-auto update, it's not an error it's a feature and tbh takes away any burden from the none techy person and user, and all those who know how to can disable it anyway if needed, but why would you?


Why would you disable Auto-Update?
For me personally, the main reason is as my free time is limited that I rather not run into a headache situation that after a mayor update things no longer work as they should, my system crashes or doesn't boot at all. So I prefer to read what the update is beforehand, wait a while to see if there's anything mayor reported about it like the AMD CPU booting issue when Windows had their patch related to the meltdown&spectre exploit.

also AFAIK on Windows 10 Home there's no way to shut off Auto-Update in a permanent manner which to me is an error and not a feature which funny enough is actually in Windows 10 Pro with the Local Group Policy Editor.

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if your happy with what you have, that's fine, as long as your hardware lasts, as soon as it fails, you won't get much choice, the future is here, it's your choice to live in it "the future", or not, use it or don't, but in the end, it will or won't be long before it's needed with almost all new games as support will be there for the older ones, but i can see it coming sooner rather than later as a pre requite for some game if not all games in another year or so, so plenty of time for your hardware to last before you will need to upgrade to it, eg windows 10


Ow if my hardware goes then I have nothing to worry about yet as long Modern hardware have drivers that support Windows 7, I actually own a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit as I buy my computers from a store where I pick my own components. This is also the reason the ''Free Update to Windows 10'' rubbed me the wrong way as Microsoft disrespected my choice to not take part of the update as I wasn't feeling like beta testing their newest OS and was a bit skeptical about their newest OS after my experience with Windows 8.

At work it Runs Windows 10 Home, my father's laptop runs Windows 10 Home which I maintain or troubleshoot when it's needed. I have no mayor problems with Windows 10 in general, I dislike some things but nothing that I probably wouldn't be able to get used to I think. But as long my copy of Windows 7 allows me to do the things I like to do on my computer I don't plan to update yet untill it's absolutely necessary. I've always purchased a copy of Windows as I go through a few total hardware overhauls over the years and this way I always have my own copy of windows for a complete clean installation.

My reluctance has more to do with Microsoft's lack of respect for an users choice back then when they offered the update to windows 10 home for free.

If they did, heck there's a good chance I would have updated to Windows 10 Pro by now having purchased a copy of it.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 4:00:46 PM   
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there's tool you can get to stop auto downloads and also others than stop process from running and do many other things, i have one that turns off the nvida spy program and also the built on one in windows, which tbh doesn't do that much data exchanging anyway for most users.

the problem with software approach is, every update of the O/S also needs a update to the app and or programs you run and use to make sure it's still off, stopped or hidden, or disabled, depending on what you need, i only use home, have pro also, but from a pure gaming approach, home is always best on any O/S, as other stuff is just bloatware for most imo.

there's tool kits now days that change every aspect of windows 10 and if used can alter almost anything, while i use some minor ones myself on my gaming rig, on my test pc's, there default, so nothing altered apart from where it's built it to be disabled by user choice






and please don't ask, as i don't link other peoples programs, or name them either, as most aren't for public use either, and while most say there safe, there's always a chance that something that stops one things alters something else which may or may not lead to another error etc, so if your not sure, don't do it, as not everyone can recover or replace missing or disabled files or programs etc

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/3/2018 5:00:26 PM   
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I prefer the use of build in tools to activate/disable or switch from Auto/Manual then to discover in a trivial manner that I don't have acces because I have the version of Windows that doesn't include it. My reason I always went for Pro and the Ultimate versions, probably true that they are most likely bloated with features you don't need or rarely use but PC and gaming is a hobby of mine and I do tend to tweak things now and then so rather have acces to it on the rare occasion then discovering I can't and as you said while third party solutions claim to be safe there's alwas this chance it breaks something that's irreversible unless you do a complete reinstall...not my ideal way to spend my free time

Also it's not that I don't want to update my Windows at all, it's that I want to have full control of what Updates I want to allow and when. So used to Windows 7 scan > tick the ones I want > install. If there is that same ability in Windows 10 then I've yet to discover it in the nightmare that is the UI of Windows's 'Configuration' panel.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/4/2018 3:10:38 PM   
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In Windows 10, identifying your internet connect as a metered connection will prevent most updates from being installed. It's probably a bad idea though because it means security vulnerabilities go unfixed.

You can also set "Active Hours" during which your machine will not reboot. So for example my work PC can be set to office hours and my home PC to night-owl hours when no updates will be installed.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/10/2018 7:50:14 PM   
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'How to block the Windows 10 spring update, version 1803, from installing'

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3232632/microsoft-windows/how-to-block-windows-10-spring-update-from-installing.html


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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/11/2018 12:38:14 PM   
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The 1/18/2018 version 1709 has caused our desktop to spontaneously reboot a couple of times a week and we still have not found a way around that.

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version 1709 has caused our desktop to spontaneously reboot a couple of times


go to Power Options, then "Choose What The Power Button Does", then "Change settings that are currently unavailable" then UNCHECK "Turn on fast startup (recommended)" then hit "save changes". SHUT DOWN the computer completely, then turn it back on. Something about that setting causes fatal errors, changing may help you, and worth a try anyway as you have nothing to loose.

good luck


Well zak, we did what you suggested and have not had a spontaneous reboot since. I guess that did the trick. Thanks for the tech hint. You da man.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/11/2018 12:58:54 PM   
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no problem, any time and glad it sorted it for you

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/13/2018 6:48:31 PM   
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Never used Win10, never will. Using Win7Pro on 2 desktops & a laptop. Running XP on a dinosaur at home. Also running Linux on a flash drive for business.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 6:55:36 AM   
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also use win7 because don't like win10

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 2:37:04 PM   
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It is very simple to make W10 functionally identical to W7, allowing you to get the (IMO) better UX of W7 with far superior W10 subsystems. It's not a hill to die on IMO.

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 2:45:47 PM   
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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 2:46:05 PM   
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windows 10 isn't so different from 7 or 8, than most have the ability to learn how to use it and get around in less than an hour and certainty isn't the leap from windows 2000 from win98se etc, while if your happy, in the end as long as the hardware doesn't change to much, you will or should be fine for a few more years, but in the end it will die when support goes from it, then as all before it, not only will it be left vulnerable but also obsolete

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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 6:56:04 PM   
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windows 10 isn't so different from 7 or 8, than most have the ability to learn how to use it and get around in less than an hour


I don't think that is the issue for many win 7 and other OS users. I believe that most of us non win 10 users accept that a newer OS will do certain things a bit better, but don't care if we save a couple of milliseconds here or there. Many users strongly object to microsoft accessing their machines, adding functions that many will never use, and changing security settings at their leisure without the user's permission, which would probably not be granted even if microsoft did ask.

There are also conflicting attitudes to issues like microsoft's helpful assistance software/spyware (delete according to which side of the fence you are on) such as Cortana, which I believe can no longer be completely disabled without hacking the registry. Suggest doing that to an average user and watch them turn pale.

PC users tend to fall into two broad camps. There are the computing enthusiasts and professionals who absolutely have to have the latest tech, and the others (on this forum perhaps gaming enthusiasts) for whom the computer is simply a host to run their software packages. And if it is still doing that successfully then as far as they are concerned, their system isn't broke so they don't want it mended just because it suits microsoft to do so.


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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 7:24:40 PM   
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all this and much more has been brought up many many time and seems a very flawed argument tbh regarding not using a given piece of software, and i'll give an example if i may,

do you use a phone? doesn't matter if land line or not tbh,...

do you use car satellite technology?

do you use a internet browser of any sort? or almost any sort of device, matters little,...

do you use email?

i could go on tbh,

but if use anything now days, online banking, mobile banking, or hole in the wall or counter banking for that matter,

pay tax, vote, use any medical care system almost anywhere in the world, your tracked, logged and in a system somewhere.

credit cards? bank cards, or bought a house even, your logged and your data is shared, your online presence grows the moment you are born and doesn't die with you either, it stays in the system until someone removes it, and it won't be you.

but you worry about what your own pc is giving away, lol, it's laughable,

read any online security mag and they will list every version of all browsers, bar an odd one or any version of any O/S even mac's spying on your data and using it in one way or another, the only thing M/S did with windows 10 is announce which part it's gathers, in the same way as steam does as part of it's terms for using it's software, as you rent it, as no O/S is own, and almost any piece of software, if you read between the lines, it's code is it's own, bugs and trackers combined.

if you worry about what your giving away, then move, have no presence, no house, no bills, and get off the grid, you still can, but failing this, unless you have something to hide, don't worry about what leaking from everything you do while your alive and live a bit, as in the real world, camera's only look for bad people, crooks take more care than normal people as they have something they wish to hide.

big brother has always been watching, reporting and tracking, recording and filtering out the good, bad and those who fall in-between.

use it or don't use, but putting a bucket on your head doesn't protect you from anything more than they already know and got from previous versions, so unless you wish to go back to a piece of string and tin cans, careless, not more,...

last year windows 10 reach 500 million active users, that's not installs, but online at any given day eg serials numbers etc, so if like me you have reinstalled 20 times, it wont add to the number, as same serial used etc etc

so if you think anyone can harvest and record and keep and process that much and it will double to 1 billion soon enough, then good luck on getting the data and finding a use for it or pay for it to be stored and sorted, for what?

90% of my stuff is about cake, biscuits and or games, so not really earth shattering or worth much of a first read, never mind storing and or keeping, but if anyone wants a read, just drop me a pm and i'll add you to the email list and forward you some also


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RE: Windows 'Update' Soon - 4/19/2018 7:53:29 PM   
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'How to block the Windows 10 spring update, version 1803, from installing'

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3232632/microsoft-windows/how-to-block-windows-10-spring-update-from-installing.html



More facts on Windows 10 Update.

'Microsoft holds up Windows 10 feature upgrade after finding BSOD bug'

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3268913/microsoft-windows/microsoft-holds-up-windows-10-feature-upgrade-after-finding-bsod-bug.html

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