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It seems to me that I am missing something about night ... - 3/19/2018 8:45:05 PM   
MrKane


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Well:

70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (12 airborne, 33 on standby, 0 scrambling) WHY is "0" scrambling ???

Raid is overhead Why ???

I do not see any reason for this. It looks like that every single night. Sometimes I have over 200 NF airborne and zero interaction with allied bombers.
I will be very grateful for any hint about what is going on ?


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Night Air attack on Keijo , at 103,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 45
Ki-102b Randy x 20

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (12 airborne, 33 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
75th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (4 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes



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Night Air attack on Keijo , at 103,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 39
Ki-102b Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 1
Fires 2403

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (39 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
39 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 12860.
Raid is overhead
75th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead



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Night Air attack on Keijo , at 103,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 37
Ki-102b Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (37 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
37 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Raid is overhead
75th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead



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Night Air attack on Keijo , at 103,50

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 34
Ki-102b Randy x 18

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (34 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
34 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Raid is overhead
75th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (18 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
18 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead
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RE: It seems to me that I am missing something about ni... - 3/19/2018 10:34:13 PM   
Lowpe


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I often don't see planes scrambling at night, but subsequent follow on attacks had almost a full contingent airborne.

You really need to include some wayfinder planes in the night CAP...those that have airborne radars. Then you will see some good long engagements.

In this particular case, I speculate the low number of attacking planes that is letting them slip by...but you had a ton of bombs dropped on the base with only 1 hit...which is pretty darn good. Of course you want better though.

How many radar sets and searchlights are present on the ground?

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RE: It seems to me that I am missing something about ni... - 3/19/2018 10:46:39 PM   
MrKane


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I often don't see planes scrambling at night, but subsequent follow on attacks had almost a full contingent airborne.

You really need to include some wayfinder planes in the night CAP...those that have airborne radars. Then you will see some good long engagements.

In this particular case, I speculate the low number of attacking planes that is letting them slip by...but you had a ton of bombs dropped on the base with only 1 hit...which is pretty darn good. Of course you want better though.

How many radar sets and searchlights are present on the ground?



I have 10 searchlights and 4 Ta-Chi 7 radars and 40-50 heavy AA guns. Radar for NF is still not available ;(

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RE: It seems to me that I am missing something about ni... - 3/19/2018 11:09:15 PM   
inqistor


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrKane

Well:

70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (12 airborne, 33 on standby, 0 scrambling) WHY is "0" scrambling ???

Probably not enough time to intercept?


quote:


Raid is overhead Why ???


Try increasing patrol altitude, or put them in few layers.


quote:


I do not see any reason for this. It looks like that every single night. Sometimes I have over 200 NF airborne and zero interaction with allied bombers.
I will be very grateful for any hint about what is going on ?

There are probably too few Allied planes to catch them on time. What are actual, reported daily loses?

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RE: It seems to me that I am missing something about ni... - 3/19/2018 11:23:13 PM   
MrKane


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quote:

ORIGINAL: inqistor

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrKane

Well:

70th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (12 airborne, 33 on standby, 0 scrambling) WHY is "0" scrambling ???

Probably not enough time to intercept?


quote:


Raid is overhead Why ???


Try increasing patrol altitude, or put them in few layers.


quote:


I do not see any reason for this. It looks like that every single night. Sometimes I have over 200 NF airborne and zero interaction with allied bombers.
I will be very grateful for any hint about what is going on ?

There are probably too few Allied planes to catch them on time. What are actual, reported daily loses?


Losses are "0".

and :
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes > Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes

Plus fighters are exactly on altitude of incoming raid.

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RE: It seems to me that I am missing something about ni... - 3/19/2018 11:53:46 PM   
Aurorus

 

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The initial raid was detected by the Tai-Chi 7s, it seems. It was not "overhead," and the entire CAP did scramble and was airborn for the follow-on raids. The follow-on raids, however, were not detected by the Tai-Chi 7s it seems. This is probably because they were small raids of 6 planes or less. Therefore the on-station CAP could not be routed to target by ground radar. Without air-search radar on the Dinahs and Randies, they will not have much improved performance over standard non-NFs. Once air-search radar is available, however, they will route themselves, other squadrons, and all splinter groups to the target. There is a patch note about how aircraft- based air-search radar was not functioning correctly to route splinter groups from the the squadron to target, so we know that aircraft-based air-search radar functions to route the CAP to target: i.e. engage. (This problem was corrected by an early patch).

< Message edited by Aurorus -- 3/19/2018 11:58:26 PM >

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