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Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 4:22:09 PM   
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Trying to find info on this. Search turned up no good explanations.

Does "Magazines ordered flooded"...:

Prevent or lessen chance of magazine explosion?
Prevent reloads of weapons?
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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 4:51:52 PM   
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Prevents ignition and explosion of charges and shells

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 5:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Prevents ignition and explosion of charges and shells



Good. As far as I know, this is something only seen when watching the combat, there is no reporting of it in the combat report.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 5:43:41 PM   
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I think this is just a message that happens, which is abstracted with some minor flooding damage.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 5:48:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


Trying to find info on this. Search turned up no good explanations.

Does "Magazines ordered flooded"...:

Prevent or lessen chance of magazine explosion?
Prevent reloads of weapons?


Have never seen this particular message.

It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion. That is dependent on a penetrating hit and subsequent die roll falling within 4% range. The damage inflicted is immediate and does not preclude additional damage being inflicted before ship sinks.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 6:14:12 PM   
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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 6:32:29 PM   
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quote:

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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?


Or a different magazine? There are many aboard Navel ships.


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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 6:40:25 PM   
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quote:

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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?

I think the point is that it is just chrome. Otherwise it should also zero out the ammo for at least one turret, right?

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 6:46:41 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf

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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?

I think the point is that it is just chrome. Otherwise it should also zero out the ammo for at least one turret, right?

=1

unless a dev steps in an provides a clearer response.


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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 7:34:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf

quote:

It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?

I think the point is that it is just chrome. Otherwise it should also zero out the ammo for at least one turret, right?

=1

unless a dev steps in an provides a clearer response.




My take on it as well.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 9:48:16 PM   
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That message does not appear coincident with a hit - it comes after fires have been raging a while and it simulates (as Alfred said) some additional flooding on the ship to prevent the fires touching off the magazine. AFAIK it does not do anything to reduce the fires or prevent them from spreading in other directions.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/21/2018 10:33:48 PM   
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But does it prevents from spreading in to that direction?

I mean it can be chrome but can also be there was a game die roll and that result in that message.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 1:48:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dili

But does it prevents from spreading in to that direction?

I mean it can be chrome but can also be there was a game die roll and that result in that message.

The game engine does not model the ship other than the devices aboard and the damage in the categories System/Engineering/Flotation/Fires. Some hits can reduce crew experience but I have never seen any actual effect from things like "Fire on the Bridge" killing the Captain. So I am guessing the magazines themselves are not modeled and it might be possible for the ship to explode even after the Magazines Flooded message (but I don't recall having seen it happen). If Alfred says it is chrome, you can rely on that.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 2:38:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dili

But does it prevents from spreading in to that direction?

I mean it can be chrome but can also be there was a game die roll and that result in that message.

The game engine does not model the ship other than the devices aboard and the damage in the categories System/Engineering/Flotation/Fires. Some hits can reduce crew experience but I have never seen any actual effect from things like "Fire on the Bridge" killing the Captain. So I am guessing the magazines themselves are not modeled and it might be possible for the ship to explode even after the Magazines Flooded message (but I don't recall having seen it happen). If Alfred says it is chrome, you can rely on that.


As I stated above, I haven't seen that particular message so I can't definitely state when it may be generated. Lokasenna's post seems very plausible.

The magazine flooding message will have no role in preventing the magazine exploding event.

Whenever a penetrating hit is achieved there is an immediate die roll to see if the 4% chance of the magazine exploding event occurs. If it occurs the ship immediately receives 99 fires and 99 flotation damage. Those damage levels practically ensure damage control efforts are overwhelmed and unable to prevent the ship from tipping over into sinking.

Alfred

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 12:07:37 PM   
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In case anyone is wondering if this report is accurate, I'am 100% certain that this was the message. The only thing that may be wrong is "Magazine" or "Magazines". I have delay at 5 seconds, enough time to show a clear message, and by the time I realized that this was a new message it was too late to take a screen shot. Ive tried rerunning the turn but the 2nd combat fails to take place. I had given orders to ships in that area and I cannot remember them exactly.


To show the damage here are excerpts from Combat Report. I'am the Japanese and the ship in question is the Allied CL Phoenix. "Magazines ordered flooded" during 2nd battle

Battle 1: Surface Battle
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


Battle 2: Surface Battle
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 26, heavy fires, heavy damage
"Magazines ordered flooded"

Battle 3: Air Attack by Judys
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

< Message edited by MakeeLearn -- 2/22/2018 5:35:48 PM >

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 12:20:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf
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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.

This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?

Propellant magazines will be much safer (and useless) with water inside, but AFAIK it is not them that cause the most catastrofic blowouts. On the other hand shells magazines' probability of detonation should not depend on shells being wet

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 2:21:40 PM   
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Wasn't there a US Cruiser that had exactly this happen?

I think one of the turrets was hit (and may be set on fire) and the captain ordered it flooded.

May be the message is a reference to that event.

Also may be it notes that a Magazine explosion was avoided.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 3:15:13 PM   
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Wasn't there a US Cruiser that had exactly this happen?


USS Boise at Battle of Cape Esperance.

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RE: Magazines ordered flooded... - 2/22/2018 7:33:19 PM   
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quote:

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It will have no direct effect on possibility of a magazine explosion.


This sounds surprising. Isn't the whole point of flooding the magazine exactly to prevent an explosion? At least in real life -- maybe in game this is just chrome?


That's basically what I meant by it being "fluff" text.

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