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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 10:29:37 AM   
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Eastern Front (1941) for the Atari by Chris Crawford. That started the addiction, while most start with board games. I still have the box and cartridge from 1983 in perfect condition, but no Atari to play it on. It doesn't look like WitE, that's for sure!

You can buy an Atari + disk drive on eBay. I did.

Or you can download an emulator and a disk image for free. I did. (*grin*)


Emulators don't have the feel of the real thing.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 12:39:52 PM   
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Eastern Front (1941) for the Atari by Chris Crawford. That started the addiction, while most start with board games. I still have the box and cartridge from 1983 in perfect condition, but no Atari to play it on. It doesn't look like WitE, that's for sure!

You can buy an Atari + disk drive on eBay. I did.

Or you can download an emulator and a disk image for free. I did. (*grin*)


Emulators don't have the feel of the real thing.


In that regard computer games don't have the real feel of the real thing either. I miss rolling the die and moving the minature pieces.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 3:25:46 PM   
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The first has to be Toei's Gengis Khan and then Lords of the Realm (I). I played both to death.

But "seriously" (the other two were rather primitive, a bit arcadish), I guess Uncommon Valor.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 5:52:06 PM   
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I don't remember what my "first 'proper' wargame" was. Since it was probably by SSG, SSI, or MicroProse and was released in the mid to late 1980s, I would venture a guess that it was the Decisive Battles of the American Civil War series.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 5:55:48 PM   
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MicroProse, what a pioneer they were. The one wargame that probably saw me clocking the most hours in 1980s was their Silent Service, with Gunship probably there in the top, too.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 6:59:31 PM   
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That's easy. Action Stations. Raw Entertainment and Alan Zimm. I still have the big floppys. The really floppy ones.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 7:51:03 PM   
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That's easy. Action Stations. Raw Entertainment and Alan Zimm. I still have the big floppys. The really floppy ones.

Really big floppies are the 8" size that were obsoleted by hard drives in the early '80s. Next to them the 5.25" seem small.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 8:49:46 PM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 10:03:55 PM   
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Eastern Front (1941) for the Atari by Chris Crawford. That started the addiction, while most start with board games. I still have the box and cartridge from 1983 in perfect condition, but no Atari to play it on. It doesn't look like WitE, that's for sure!

You can buy an Atari + disk drive on eBay. I did.

Or you can download an emulator and a disk image for free. I did. (*grin*)


Emulators don't have the feel of the real thing.


i understand that feeling , but dosbox is pretty awesome, though i do like to get big box 3.5inch originals which i then manually install through dosbox - if there was at all in existence an external 5.25drive with a usb connection that would be great too but i don tthink that exists at all

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 10:17:50 PM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/20/2018 11:02:36 PM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 12:29:36 AM   
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Thanks for the memories. I'd play EF again, and lose.

I posted this elsewhere, but it is true:

Ironically, last week started playing SSG's Battles in Italy "The Ardennes Offensive" (TAO5) scenario. The U.S. 8th Regiment, 4th ID had been behind German lines entrenched for seven turns. Then I mistakenly left two arty units unprotected within reach. So it unentrenches, moves over to them and destroys them.

I don't see AI like that in many games today for sure. Games that cost a lot of money, too.



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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 1:07:10 AM   
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Desert Rats
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3 great games that I still miss.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 1:36:18 AM   
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Way long ago in the 70s with Tactics II (well, actually, even earlier it was me and dad, and toys soldiers vs my other toys on my bedroom floor :) ).

On a machine it was Chris Crawford's Patton Stikes Back.

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I expect hexes and turns.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 1:38:10 AM   
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I remember Patton Strikes Back. It wasn't great, but all we had back then ;)

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 3:00:51 AM   
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"Carriers at War" by SSG - not the current version but the Apple IIe version.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 3:49:09 AM   
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That's easy. Action Stations. Raw Entertainment and Alan Zimm. I still have the big floppys. The really floppy ones.


And all this time I thought I was the only one who had purchased Raw Entertainment's Action Stations.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 5:14:49 AM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 7:22:18 AM   
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SSI's Battles of Napoleon (1988)





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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 9:07:56 AM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 6:44:09 PM   
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I love those old style colors and terrain from the early days of wargaming. Simple colors with simple units and a great AI to play against. That was back in the day where AI's were more important than graphics.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 7:43:14 PM   
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Way long ago in the 70s with Tactics II (well, actually, even earlier it was me and dad, and toys soldiers vs my other toys on my bedroom floor :) ).

On a machine it was Chris Crawford's Patton Stikes Back.

I have the 1958 version of Tactics II, not to boast or anything.
It is kinda beat up.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/21/2018 10:03:07 PM   
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I agree aaa, I had more fun with those simple looking games

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 12:05:59 AM   
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I got my first PC in 1998 and a friend of mine gave me three games to introduce me to computer wargames: Age of Rifles, Age of Sail and Battleground Waterloo. I last played Age of Rifles only last year. I'm thinking about playing Age of Sail again for old times sake.




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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 12:25:55 AM   
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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 11:24:09 AM   
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Oh my board game? Gettysburg by Avalon Hill, 6th grade.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 11:41:41 AM   
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I miss REAL wargames.

'Real" wargame to me = anything you can learn in a day and enjoy playing for a lifetime.

I no longer have some of my old classics. I think it was a mistake to let them go.

I've been puttering around with some beat up Squad Leader era materials. Pondering revising all the 3 modules back to initial Squad Leader complexity.

I still enjoy Panzer Leader and I have downloaded a lot of user made boards and counters (there's a great wealth of it out there).

I'd rather play a board game solo, than pretend a single PC wargame has ever actually equaled the experience of a single board game wargame.

The beauty of board games, is the issue of AI is never even in the discussion.
And no opponent means you either play it by yourself both sides, or you don't play it.
And you just don't play designs that require secrecy to function.
And there are no shortage of designs that don't require secrecy in the operation of the design.

My current deluxe experience is The Longest Day. 5x5.5 feet of pure simulation. No secrecy, simple rules design, you just need a place to put it.
And as I can't seem to find a man to waste space on in my apartment, I have the space :)

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I expect hexes and turns.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 11:47:43 AM   
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I miss REAL wargames.

'Real" wargame to me = anything you can learn in a day and enjoy playing for a lifetime.

I no longer have some of my old classics. I think it was a mistake to let them go.

I've been puttering around with some beat up Squad Leader era materials. Pondering revising all the 3 modules back to initial Squad Leader complexity.

I still enjoy Panzer Leader and I have downloaded a lot of user made boards and counters (there's a great wealth of it out there).

I'd rather play a board game solo, than pretend a single PC wargame has ever actually equaled the experience of a single board game wargame.

The beauty of board games, is the issue of AI is never even in the discussion.
And no opponent means you either play it by yourself both sides, or you don't play it.
And you just don't play designs that require secrecy to function.
And there are no shortage of designs that don't require secrecy in the operation of the design.

My current deluxe experience is The Longest Day. 5x5.5 feet of pure simulation. No secrecy, simple rules design, you just need a place to put it.
And as I can't seem to find a man to waste space on in my apartment, I have the space :)


You certainly like the Longest Day! I do too, one of the best "monster war games" ever made. My copy was lost to Tropical storm Fran - flooded the detached work room, (along with all the rest of my board wargames). So it's only computer games nowdays. Ted and I played Longest day twice, both great games - He won one as Allies, I won one as Germans! Simple in design, simulated the campaign very well, easy to play.

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 12:12:12 PM   
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I happened upon Avalon Hill's D-Day at Boardgamegeek 2nd hand market a while ago, ordered it, to my surprise it was the very 1st edition of the boardgame as well. First game with hexes, would you believe.

Plays beautifully even today. A fun, quick game, suitable to solo as well imho, I just roll a die for the Allied invasion decision once German's all set up, historically of course

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RE: First PC wargame you played seriously - 2/22/2018 2:03:47 PM   
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