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Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/28/2018 7:36:33 PM   
Evander Law

 

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Hi all, this is my first AGEOD game. Just need some guidance as a newbie. I've read the manual, watched the tutorials on YouTube, and have played around with the UI etc (learned to move, make stacks, attack etc). What I'm wondering is what is the best way to approach the game at first? Should I first try to build up my armies? Best to attack or defend? Try to capture territories or important towns, etc... hope that makes sense.

Also, there is a ton of information provided in the game. In your opinion what are the most important pieces of information to keep an eye on each turn? unit cohesion, supply chains, weather, enemy troop movements etc??

thx!
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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/28/2018 8:09:01 PM   
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The thing to remember is that a force's strength fluctuates over time, depending on circumstances.

If your troops are tired or disorganized from too much marching and fighting, it will take them a while to get back into fighting trim.

The fastest way to get them back into condition to fight is to adjust their posture to something less than passive. The problem is that this will often make them sitting ducks if there are any enemies in striking range.

Make sure you watch your supply, because you ignore it at your own peril.

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/29/2018 7:19:00 AM   
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Few very general tips.

a) the AGEOD system often rewards doing nothing. If you can't see a good reason to move a unit, then don't - as above let it sit and regain cohesion etc;

b) keep a close eye on supply. Check over the wagons in a stack - are they red (empty), keep an eye on the supply indicator on the right hand of the stack screen (at the bottom), are you running short? Send wagons back to a supply source to refill (and escort them);

c) in the main, don't march in winter, you pick up a lot of cohesion loss (so your units don't really fight) and run out of supply. Supply wagons act as a buffer against extra attrition but equally are emptied out much quicker;

d) keep a close eye on the command points (CP) used and needed by a stack. As far as possible try to avoid any malus here, certainly try to keep the malus under 5% (if you don't again your units won't fight very well);

e) leadership traits really matter (sometimes more than the raw scores). Need to move quickly - do you have someone with the fast mover trait? Need to operate in a region with poor supply - do you have someone with the traits that help here?

f) also about leadership note that some traits only come into play if the commander is in charge of the stack, others if they are present in the stack;

g) stances split into two groups and its worth thinking about what you want to do:

g1) green-green is great for 3 things. You recover cohesion very quickly (and limit cohesion loss if you move), you will fall back out of combat very quickly (assuming this is what you want to do) and its good for scouting forces - especially if used with the 'evade combat' option;
g2) defend is the default stance if your leader is inactive (but you don't take control over a province), attack is needed if you will attack (but you don't gain any defensive terrain modifiers), assault is only needed if you plan to storm a fortress;
g3) commitment levels, well green as above means you will abandon a battle quickly, blue/orange are the default options and red means you won't retreat (be careful as you can get very badly beaten using this);
g4) combinations assault-orange means you will assault any city you end the turn in the province with, assault-red means you will assault cities as you move (can be good to capture a chain of weakly held cities);

h) going back to supply, a province will generate supply in its own province and send this to armies in adjacent provinces - any further and you need to use your supply wagons to move it;

edit:
i) the combat power measure is useful but limited. Some leader traits allow units to fight better/worse. Some units are better in certain terrain than others, some are better on the defense and so on. Also combat power degrades quickly as you lose cohesion, so if you force your units to march across poor terrain with limited supply then even the best army will not fight very well. So combat power can change as the turn develops;

j) frontage matters as well, a huge stack can only deploy some of its strength (this may be good = reserves) but it does mean that defending in poor terrain can bring the largest army to a halt (it can't fully deploy);

k) there are some posts in the Wars of Napoleon section that may help. You can ignore the stuff on march to the sound of the guns as that doesn't apply here but some of the other discussions about frontage, stack and unit selection for combat may help once you have a feel for the basics;

l) Military Control (MC) is an odd concept. Basically it indicates how much you dominate a province but the consequences can be important. If you move into a province where you have low (or no) MC any stack will be changed from defend to attack stance. You might want this (it means an 'inactive' general might attack - at a malus) or not, but it can cause confusion if you aren't expecting it. Sometimes opposing armies can be in the same region (esp if both are now on the defense - by choice or due to leadership problems), this can create problems for resupply and the movement of extra forces in and out;

< Message edited by loki100 -- 1/29/2018 7:29:08 AM >


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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/30/2018 6:27:51 PM   
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Nice tips! Even for ex newbies alike (I'm an half-newbie, by the way)

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/31/2018 4:25:38 PM   
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Yes,, excellent tips. One or two things there I was not aware of/had not thought of.

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 1/31/2018 4:30:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: loki100

Few very general tips.

a) the AGEOD system often rewards doing nothing. If you can't see a good reason to move a unit, then don't - as above let it sit and regain cohesion etc;

b) keep a close eye on supply. Check over the wagons in a stack - are they red (empty), keep an eye on the supply indicator on the right hand of the stack screen (at the bottom), are you running short? Send wagons back to a supply source to refill (and escort them);

c) in the main, don't march in winter, you pick up a lot of cohesion loss (so your units don't really fight) and run out of supply. Supply wagons act as a buffer against extra attrition but equally are emptied out much quicker;

d) keep a close eye on the command points (CP) used and needed by a stack. As far as possible try to avoid any malus here, certainly try to keep the malus under 5% (if you don't again your units won't fight very well);

e) leadership traits really matter (sometimes more than the raw scores). Need to move quickly - do you have someone with the fast mover trait? Need to operate in a region with poor supply - do you have someone with the traits that help here?

f) also about leadership note that some traits only come into play if the commander is in charge of the stack, others if they are present in the stack;

g) stances split into two groups and its worth thinking about what you want to do:

g1) green-green is great for 3 things. You recover cohesion very quickly (and limit cohesion loss if you move), you will fall back out of combat very quickly (assuming this is what you want to do) and its good for scouting forces - especially if used with the 'evade combat' option;
g2) defend is the default stance if your leader is inactive (but you don't take control over a province), attack is needed if you will attack (but you don't gain any defensive terrain modifiers), assault is only needed if you plan to storm a fortress;
g3) commitment levels, well green as above means you will abandon a battle quickly, blue/orange are the default options and red means you won't retreat (be careful as you can get very badly beaten using this);
g4) combinations assault-orange means you will assault any city you end the turn in the province with, assault-red means you will assault cities as you move (can be good to capture a chain of weakly held cities);

h) going back to supply, a province will generate supply in its own province and send this to armies in adjacent provinces - any further and you need to use your supply wagons to move it;

edit:
i) the combat power measure is useful but limited. Some leader traits allow units to fight better/worse. Some units are better in certain terrain than others, some are better on the defense and so on. Also combat power degrades quickly as you lose cohesion, so if you force your units to march across poor terrain with limited supply then even the best army will not fight very well. So combat power can change as the turn develops;

j) frontage matters as well, a huge stack can only deploy some of its strength (this may be good = reserves) but it does mean that defending in poor terrain can bring the largest army to a halt (it can't fully deploy);

k) there are some posts in the Wars of Napoleon section that may help. You can ignore the stuff on march to the sound of the guns as that doesn't apply here but some of the other discussions about frontage, stack and unit selection for combat may help once you have a feel for the basics;

l) Military Control (MC) is an odd concept. Basically it indicates how much you dominate a province but the consequences can be important. If you move into a province where you have low (or no) MC any stack will be changed from defend to attack stance. You might want this (it means an 'inactive' general might attack - at a malus) or not, but it can cause confusion if you aren't expecting it. Sometimes opposing armies can be in the same region (esp if both are now on the defense - by choice or due to leadership problems), this can create problems for resupply and the movement of extra forces in and out;


We can always count on loki100 to help the guys new to, and even the not so new, to Ageod games.

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 2/1/2018 1:03:17 PM   
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Great tips, Loki. Question about depots - as a means of getting supplies from province to province (and I would add use the supply overlay to see which cities exactly are providing the supplies) is it the same in this game as in CW2, where, if I've understood it correct, cities level 3 and above will automatically forward supplies (without you needing to use wagons), or cities with a depot. Therefore you can pull supplies through to your units in more distant provinces (more distant from the supply sources, I mean) by building a chain of depots in between? Is that right?

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 2/1/2018 6:39:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenix100

Great tips, Loki. Question about depots - as a means of getting supplies from province to province (and I would add use the supply overlay to see which cities exactly are providing the supplies) is it the same in this game as in CW2, where, if I've understood it correct, cities level 3 and above will automatically forward supplies (without you needing to use wagons), or cities with a depot. Therefore you can pull supplies through to your units in more distant provinces (more distant from the supply sources, I mean) by building a chain of depots in between? Is that right?


No not in the games with the 'simple' system (this, TYW, WIA, AJE). It sits in the province its produced but will move to an adjacent province if you have an army there. So you need to move it yourself, by sending back wagons etc. What a depot will do, is to enable a province to build up a supply reserve (otherwise it is used as produced) which can help for winter/sieges or as a base for your operations.

In effect, AGEOD use this model for games set in periods/places where the overall infrastructure is weak. The main impact is you need to be very careful about where you winter and need to start planning for that by late summer.

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 2/4/2018 6:49:07 PM   
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Can anyboy tellme what do the units cards columns mean?

The manual sais that in the "unit card" the purple column is for the cohesion and the green for the man power. There is a green column in the "Stack card" but in the "unit card" I see only Purple and blue! what is the blue? is the manual refering like green the blue one?

The manual dont say anything about the "Stack card" where there are a purple, a blue and a green column, what does they mean?

This is a mess...

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 2/4/2018 8:54:14 PM   
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Thanks so much for the tips. I have a few more newbie questions if you don't mind! :) I'm starting to get comfortable with the UI so am now noticing more and more details.

1. On the main map each town/city has different colored dots underneath. I'm guessing blue dots mean there are some naval units? And green dots mean land units? I also see some tan colored dots???
2. Sometimes when a stack of mine is in the defensive posture I try to change it to the offensive posture but it won't let me? Why is that?
3. What do the envelopes mean on your stacks? Some are brownish and some are white...while some are dimmed. Does that reflect if I've issued orders to a stack that turn?
4. On the battle result screen there are some red colored hearts with numbers and a second icon next to them also with numbers. What are those?
5. On the battle decision screen there are numbers at the top with percentages. Some of the numbers and percentages are green and some are red. What do they indicate?
6. And what do the three numbers for a leaders command rating mean. i.e. 5-6-6. Is that offensive/defensive/movement?

thx for the help!

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RE: Newbie game play guide/tips? - 2/4/2018 9:31:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evander Law

Thanks so much for the tips. I have a few more newbie questions if you don't mind! :) I'm starting to get comfortable with the UI so am now noticing more and more details.

1. On the main map each town/city has different colored dots underneath. I'm guessing blue dots mean there are some naval units? And green dots mean land units? I also see some tan colored dots???

Tan are empty slots?

2. Sometimes when a stack of mine is in the defensive posture I try to change it to the offensive posture but it won't let me? Why is that?

Your commander is inactive.

3. What do the envelopes mean on your stacks? Some are brownish and some are white...while some are dimmed. Does that reflect if I've issued orders to a stack that turn?

White is active, brown is inactive, see above for effects.


4. On the battle result screen there are some red colored hearts with numbers and a second icon next to them also with numbers. What are those?

Heart is hits, KIA, the other is cohesion loss, can be recovered by resting.

5. On the battle decision screen there are numbers at the top with percentages. Some of the numbers and percentages are green and some are red. What do they indicate?


Green is your forces, red is the enemy, the percentages indicate the types of troops the forces are composed of.



6. And what do the three numbers for a leaders command rating mean. i.e. 5-6-6. Is that offensive/defensive/movement?

Strategic rating, offensive, defensive.
The strategic rating affects how often the leader is active and can be issued orders.


thx for the help!


You are welcome.

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