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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/1/2018 3:57:09 AM   
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Just received turn 2 back and took a quick look(I always log out of the game if I'm posting since I don't want to accidentally close the game, lol).

All pockets that were created stayed sealed (whew, that is a good thing since I was sweating my ballz off). Plus M60 is being aggressive in the Air this time and bombing my Airbases on the 1st turn. Nicely played ;(..... Anyway I assume I surprised him by turning on Interdiction turn 1. I have rethought my Strat on interdiction and on turn 1 it is a must to turn on for Germany. Why? because it tells a story to you without using recon. And you may be able to squeeze out a movement point or two lost to the Soviets that may be crucial. PLUS! and this is the big one. If you get hit with interdiction you can't keep testing the best spot on where to put a unit. This is what made me rethink interdiction. Even if interdiction is turned down to low numbers just that factor alone is important to me. Finally the Soviets aren't set up to deal with interdiction(normally) on the 1st turn, so for now on that little green light is being turned on for turn 1 for me. No interdiction happened above Vitsbeckin our game, interesting ;-).

****Will deal with the problems with interdiction if that beast raises it head but for now it is turned on with its idiosyncrasies***






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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/2/2018 1:10:38 PM   
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TURN 2 was sent back to M60 last night.

The Rumanians finally get their first unit surrounded on the first turn!!!!! Well in a round about way that is. It isn't surrounded per se but was forced to come to a halt by Rumainian Air Interdiction on the first turn. As can be seen in the 1st photo this division is still close to the Rumanian border. After opening up the battles hexes in the 2nd picture you can see the unit being interdicted twice effectively stopping the unit in its track. Now comes the hard part, getting the Rumanian units to surround the Soviet Division, lol.

Well, 1st turn interdiction for me was a win just for the added Division alone.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/2/2018 1:18:37 PM   
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All pockets were cleared 100% except for the Lvov pocket and the Large tank pocket in front of Kiev. I was able to get to the Land Bridge Turn 2 to at least make the Soviets Divisions less effective in digging in. 3 of those hexes at the land bridge are almost level 1 forts. I did one airfield bombing for 80ish aircraft destroyed to zero German.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/2/2018 1:34:46 PM   
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From air observation I saw roughly only 2 units that didn't rally for the Soviets in the North. Wish mine were that good when I played the Soviets. Maybe M60 has special Vodka he drops to these men or something ;-). Anyway, M60 was able to get a ZOC into the two hexes circled in yellow with an Armored Division. It was close but no cigar to interrupt the rail conversion since 7 hexes is the max you can obtain and I have 7 converted going North. (Remember you can get 7 hexes converted on certain bends in the track. I'm sure this is going to bring out all the doomsday sayers and alarmist that the game is broken & the Germans are OVERPOWERED along with using gamey tactics ;-). I still love them no matter what. the units to the south were not able to interrupt the progress either. at the moment RAIL full steam ahead!

GAWD DANG it!! I just noticed I forgot to go and finish moving the FBD to convert 2 more hexes of rail. The hex 2 hexes east of the 0-32 HQ could have been converted and the one below it. I forgot to do it since I had to get rid of a unit there but I had to do other things before getting rid of the unit. Dang it, I sux at this game :(






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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/2/2018 1:49:57 PM   
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Turn 2 loses so far.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/2/2018 1:59:49 PM   
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Turn 2 Air loses for me on just my turn was 1 Recon. Now combined with M60's Turn 1 bombardment we have the number on this screen. If other games are an indicator of how bad the bombardment gets I am not looking forward to it. I have said the Germans can do things to mitigate this so lets see if it is still the case. Time will tell but the Soviets have an enormous air fleet and nothing like getting slowly killed by a bazillion ants.

For some reason M60 was picking on my Do-17's. Wonder why?

*****some of the extra loses were from air interdiction btw****




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/3/2018 11:14:39 PM   
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So there has been much talk about the Soviet Airforce being overly powerful at the beginning of the game in more than just a few AAR's recently. Thus in recent games the Soviets have been able to cause some very good sustained numbers with their obsolete LB aircraft in Night bombing runs causing substantial fighter loses to the Germans(to a lesser extent day bombing raids). Starting on Turn 3 of this game I will initiate what I have eluded to in another AAR but difficult to convey to another my sentiments of how to handle the Soviets LB Night raids. Secondly I hope to show what the Germans need to do against CAP sweeps by the Soviets. Will I still take loses? Yes, I will still take loses but not to the extent the other German players did in their respective AARs against the Soviet masses. (will see if this still holds true or everyone else is correct in their assessments. I still feel the Germans can do things to alleviate the loses, we shall see)

The first thing that needs to be done is;

1. Stop flying interceptors at NIGHT. Yes, you heard me correctly. The Germans are the main cause of the exceptionally high fighter losses on their side when they fly night missions. (I do fly night mission and will show what I do after a turn or two after turn 3). But if previous games are a guide when I used this against MAD HATTER Soviet bomber players it makes it expensive for the Soviets and semi bearable to the Germans.
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To be continued...... (the other numbers 2-4, and there are more than 4, will be filled in over the turns for other Germans players willing to give it a try). Of course I'm sure there are other players that are better than me that has a better system to combat the Russian Hordes of aircraft. If they do have a way to deal with it feel free to post yours :). But until I initiate this on turn 3 and have results for this a turn or two after initiated you will just have to wait for me to fill in the rest of the numbers :). (I have posted mine in the past a couple of times & revised it to what it is today) But the primary one is stop flying damn night interception missions with your "BIG" squadrons (thats a hint to #2)

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/4/2018 12:56:52 PM   
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So there has been much talk about the Soviet Airforce being overly powerful at the beginning of the game in more than just a few AAR's recently. Thus in recent games the Soviets have been able to cause some very good sustained numbers with their obsolete LB aircraft in Night bombing runs causing substantial fighter loses to the Germans(to a lesser extent day bombing raids). Starting on Turn 3 of this game I will initiate what I have eluded to in another AAR but difficult to convey to another my sentiments of how to handle the Soviets LB Night raids. Secondly I hope to show what the Germans need to do against CAP sweeps by the Soviets. Will I still take loses? Yes, I will still take loses but not to the extent the other German players did in their respective AARs against the Soviet masses. (will see if this still holds true or everyone else is correct in their assessments. I still feel the Germans can do things to alleviate the loses, we shall see)

The first thing that needs to be done is;

1. Stop flying interceptors at NIGHT. Yes, you heard me correctly. The Germans are the main cause of the exceptionally high fighter losses on their side when they fly night missions. (I do fly night mission and will show what I do after a turn or two after turn 3). But if previous games are a guide when I used this against MAD HATTER Soviet bomber players it makes it expensive for the Soviets and semi bearable to the Germans.
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To be continued...... (the other numbers 2-4, and there are more than 4, will be filled in over the turns for other Germans players willing to give it a try). Of course I'm sure there are other players that are better than me that has a better system to combat the Russian Hordes of aircraft. If they do have a way to deal with it feel free to post yours :). But until I initiate this on turn 3 and have results for this a turn or two after initiated you will just have to wait for me to fill in the rest of the numbers :). (I have posted mine in the past a couple of times & revised it to what it is today) But the primary one is stop flying damn night interception missions with your "BIG" squadrons (thats a hint to #2)



Can't wait for your tutorial HLYA!! :)

I though you would advice putting all those BF 110 for night missions, I mean as long as they are facing unescorted bombers, they should do a good job right?

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/4/2018 12:58:11 PM   
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I though you would advice putting all those BF 110 for night missions, I mean as long as they are facing unescorted bombers, they should do a good job right?


The key point being not in range of, or able to be brought into, Soviet fighter sweeps.


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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/4/2018 3:04:30 PM   
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So there has been much talk about the Soviet Airforce being overly powerful at the beginning of the game in more than just a few AAR's recently. Thus in recent games the Soviets have been able to cause some very good sustained numbers with their obsolete LB aircraft in Night bombing runs causing substantial fighter loses to the Germans(to a lesser extent day bombing raids). Starting on Turn 3 of this game I will initiate what I have eluded to in another AAR but difficult to convey to another my sentiments of how to handle the Soviets LB Night raids. Secondly I hope to show what the Germans need to do against CAP sweeps by the Soviets. Will I still take loses? Yes, I will still take loses but not to the extent the other German players did in their respective AARs against the Soviet masses. (will see if this still holds true or everyone else is correct in their assessments. I still feel the Germans can do things to alleviate the loses, we shall see)

The first thing that needs to be done is;

1. Stop flying interceptors at NIGHT. Yes, you heard me correctly. The Germans are the main cause of the exceptionally high fighter losses on their side when they fly night missions. (I do fly night mission and will show what I do after a turn or two after turn 3). But if previous games are a guide when I used this against MAD HATTER Soviet bomber players it makes it expensive for the Soviets and semi bearable to the Germans.
2.
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To be continued...... (the other numbers 2-4, and there are more than 4, will be filled in over the turns for other Germans players willing to give it a try). Of course I'm sure there are other players that are better than me that has a better system to combat the Russian Hordes of aircraft. If they do have a way to deal with it feel free to post yours :). But until I initiate this on turn 3 and have results for this a turn or two after initiated you will just have to wait for me to fill in the rest of the numbers :). (I have posted mine in the past a couple of times & revised it to what it is today) But the primary one is stop flying damn night interception missions with your "BIG" squadrons (thats a hint to #2)



Can't wait for your tutorial HLYA!! :)

I though you would advice putting all those BF 110 for night missions, I mean as long as they are facing unescorted bombers, they should do a good job right?


Yes, I was the one that gave that advice and yes the BF110 is very efficient at shooting bombers down. I still stand by that advice. BUT what we have to look at are the numbers of interceptors that are being lost to these Soviet night bombers(and to a lesser effect the Soviet day bombers). In effect the Germans are losing too many fighters to the Soviet bombers that are coming in and bombing at night. As a German player you are going to have to control the loss of fighters as best you can. Thus my 1st thing I do is turn off all "night intercept" missions for all fighters. Germans flying night mission with their fighters is hazardous to their health. Now having said that I do fly night missions and those night missions are "By the Schwarms" (Damn, that would be a good book title!!!). So number 2 on my list is set up night mission "By the Schwarms" to do night operations interceptions. I fly (1) Bf110 schwarm and 2-3 BF-109 schwarms in the area of operation. I then rotate groups based on loses, fatigue, etc to keep them fresh. After a few turns of doing this the "Schwarms" will be in the 90+ experience and will become even more effective. Now just doing #1 and #2 isn't going to get you there. There are more parts to the story like, AA, AA placement (Yes, I figured this one out too of when they add to a battle. I'm sure others already knew), how many squadrons on an airbase, air settings etc etc to form a whole package.

Now I'm going to deviate for a minute here and say that Tyronec is correct that the Soviet bombers are doing too much damage. I set up a test bed and tested this out with over 50+ simulations over two days using mass bombers of the Soviets and the Germans. In this scenario the Soviets are bombing at night & the Germans by day. The Soviets night missions consisted of ~250-280 aircraft would destroy almost on par what ~390-450 German bombers would do during the day. Now the Germans delta variation was higher on occasions but the sheer numbers of Soviet aircraft the Soviets could fly and do damage far surpasses the Germans. Please note that "only" bombers were flown in an attempt to garner a base. I found this very interesting since to me the Germans and Soviets seem to be using the same "TO HIT" chart and "DAMAGE" chart for night/day. But this is all speculation on my part but the Soviets do seem to be pretty effective with LESS aircraft and EVEN AT NIGHT. I find this interesting. I will continue to test and I could just be doing my tests wrong. (only LB's were used in these test. But I do have the delta's for the Dive bombers and working out how many fighters to escort the Dive bombers to target and not lose aircraft now ;-). actually just confirming my numbers again in current patch :-)



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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/4/2018 3:10:30 PM   
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I though you would advice putting all those BF 110 for night missions, I mean as long as they are facing unescorted bombers, they should do a good job right?


The key point being not in range of, or able to be brought into, Soviet fighter sweeps.



Aye, that is bloody darn right too. But I have been working on Soviet CAP zerging too. I think I have a theory that may work but I need to further test it out. Unless of course another on the forums have a good one they would like to share.

To me Soviet CAP zerging isn't that bad in my opinion & normally is controlled with the amount of aircraft flown and the distance by Soviets. To be honest I like it when the Soviets do this because of the fatigue and morale loss to the Soviets. The Germans just need to set their settings to, if you will, "to FISH" out enough kills without fatiguing themselves.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 3:41:19 PM   
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Enjoying this thread like a baby.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 5:05:16 PM   
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Enjoying this thread like a baby.


I was actually considering about closing my AAR down. I don't know for certain yet but it is a possibility. I do know for sure that I am busy Tuesday-Thursday of this week so I won't be posting much over the next couple of days.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 5:08:46 PM   
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Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 5:20:45 PM   
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Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!


Thank you. I should have updates later this afternoon after I finish my turn on both of my games.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 5:25:19 PM   
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Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!


What he said!

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 8:14:58 PM   
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Turn 3

I can say that the Alt Combat is making combat for me extremely easy by taking out all the guesswork you would have without it. Take for instance this PZ division in the picture (which is at 82% TOE by the way. I know it is 68 CV no if ands or buts about it. Easy to do the odds on hasty attacks with that info. I'm just saying. So It is making my attacks more deadly since I can pretty much know what is going to succeed about 98% of the time now. But lets continue.






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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 8:18:36 PM   
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Turn 3 rail in the North

Pretty easy to look for as the Soviets, I'm providing it free of charge. Yes, I got a 7 hex leg on the north leg of the rail. I will get a 7 hex leg on the south rail next turn. I will use the 3rd FBD to make the rail lines redundant here in a few turns.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 8:23:33 PM   
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Turn 3

The old saying of, "History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme" came to mind as I am posting this. Lets take a look back to a snapshot of M60 and my game over a year ago. This is a snippet of turn 4 of that game. See I LOVE attacking the Land Bridge.





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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 8:39:01 PM   
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Turn 3

Fast forward to present day game after looking at the previous snap shot.

After looking at the frontage and seeing that there was no Soviet fighter covering the area and Soviet bombers aren't flying I decided to go for broke turn 3. I was just praying that Zhukov wasn't in charge of the units at the land bridge. After the first combat, he wasn't!!!! Thank gawd!!! So M60 has a decision to make now of what to do with open terrain behind him except a few trees. I do have Infantry on the front line now too & next turn as all know 3/4's of them will be there. Will be interested to see what M60 does.

Well history didn't repeat but it does look similar. Only thing is is it is turn 3 instead of turn 4 this game.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 9:34:19 PM   
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Thanks for the AAR HLYA.
Always interested in logistics, I would appreciate some commentary on this matter. How was your use of HQ BUs before the patch and how is it now? Where do you concentrate your transports?

Your Panzers must have quite some MP in T3 as the attack against the land bridge surely required some attacks and there was at least one ZOC to ZOC move to be done.
Is there a chance to get an overview map each turn? I know own exp that putting all this images on the forum takes some time, but you IIRC you play on a very high resolution map so an overview map can be made quite easily.
Of course understandable if this sucks up too much time.
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 9:54:29 PM   
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Thanks for the AAR HLYA.
Always interested in logistics, I would appreciate some commentary on this matter. How was your use of HQ BUs before the patch and how is it now? Where do you concentrate your transports?

Your Panzers must have quite some MP in T3 as the attack against the land bridge surely required some attacks and there was at least one ZOC to ZOC move to be done.
Is there a chance to get an overview map each turn? I know own exp that putting all this images on the forum takes some time, but you IIRC you play on a very high resolution map so an overview map can be made quite easily.
Of course understandable if this sucks up too much time.
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Believe it or not I did not do a HQ buildup. It was straight up movement. So far up to turn 3 there have been no HQ buildups. I'm thinking of one possible this turn but havent decided yet. The units that went from ZOC to ZOC had 28 & 49 mps respectivly and high morale. I also don't have my JU-52's deployed, believe it or not. I really don't start using them until later turns. Ya, call me stubborn on that front and I know what I am missing out on. But I try and tax myself to see what I can get out of units without a crutch if you will.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/5/2018 10:38:22 PM   
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Thanks for your answer. Your approach as stated in your old aar was quite scripted during the first turn, did you also have a kind of HQ BU-script for the early turns?

Something like "do HQ BUs on 2 of the 4 Pz. Corps in the center"?
Also, on which way are you doing your HQ BUs? You have set up some detailed rules for your Soviet play (re unit selection), do you use similiar heuristics for this matter?
Hope this doesn't touch confidential information :)

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Thanks for your answer. Your approach as stated in your old aar was quite scripted during the first turn, did you also have a kind of HQ BU-script for the early turns?

Something like "do HQ BUs on 2 of the 4 Pz. Corps in the center"?
Also, on which way are you doing your HQ BUs? You have set up some detailed rules for your Soviet play (re unit selection), do you use similiar heuristics for this matter?
Hope this doesn't touch confidential information :)


No, feel free to ask any question you want :). HQ BU's depends on the situation I see in front of me more than anything and my goals. You will laugh if M60 describes the Land bridge battle on what happened. Which I'm sure he will. But the contributing factor was free to air bombardment and ground air support, my leader, and his leader. There were no random events to worry about except for Reserve activation. But with reserve activation, you just bring enough force and the defender stays home, literally.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA ... - 2/6/2018 3:17:26 AM   
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Turn 3

I was not able to initiate my Air base setup :(. The reason was I needed the bombers I had on hand to assist with creating a pocket. So I will probably take horrid losses since the bombers are fatigued to HIGH heaven :(. Oh well. See if I can do the setup on turn 4, unless M60 gives me another opportunity, but I don't think he will.



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M60 did do 4 bombing raid against my partial South airfields setup this turn (no AA, no Germans and not placed correctly). I wasn't flying any Germans at night thus relying on the small squadrons of the Rumanians to provide night cover. Loses are proportional to squadron size and small squadrons at night do very nice damage. I'm kinda proud what the Rumanians did to be honest. The Rumanians were guarding my Army bases stacked high with Recon planes. 3 recon bases with 8 squadrons each on them. So the damage done wasn't that bad along with the Rumanians doing pretty good damage back and gaining experience. Win - win imo. Soooooo far. Once I get the AA set up and the German Swarms here we should be doing 30-40 Soviet aircraft per run to 0-3 German/Rumanian. But here are some snap shots. (Again turn 4 could be bad up north because I fatigued the Germans bad)






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Another night bombing raid 2 of 4




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Another night bombing raid 3 of 4. Without AA & the Germans it is a bit rough to look at. But on the previous picture did shoot down 4 for 0 lost :). And these (2) IAR 80A took out 7. Kinda makes my pee pee hard ;-P




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Another night bombing raid 4 of 4. Again no AA yet in the Area :(. But as you can see if the Rumanians can do it the Germans can do it better. And the BF-110 swarms are freaking nuts in my test at night. But then again lets see this play out but may be a turn or two more before any of this comes to fruition. I'm just not expecting good results from my poor setup up north on those airfields. Here is 9 IAR 80A taking out 10. Give those guys a medal :). So "size" matters at night (I can hear what you all are thinking, behave now). So far the smaller swarms are pretty effective along with the small size of the Rumanian squadrons. Lets see if it holds up. Again, those Army airfields were stacked 3 high and 8 units each.




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