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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/31/2018 4:31:48 PM   
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Turn 224
7th November 1942


It looks like there was a further pull back by the Axis forces on the coastal plain, but only three units were engaged which is a shame.

There was one bombardment and numerous RBCs that destroyed my commando units and some AA (maybe others I couldn't make out too).



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/31/2018 4:51:03 PM   
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7th November 1942


Less than 20 - I think time has run out for the Allies




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/31/2018 4:52:03 PM   
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Sadly its another really tough day at the office for the CW..... All CW reserves are now committed and there has been no be breakthrough. I made a very costly error on one attack - thinking I'd cancelled the whole rubbish attack but actually only cancelling one stack (and so making the attack even more rubbish with those left....). But even without that the enemy are too strong despite committing only a portion of his forces. I haven't seen a replacements 'no' for the Axis yet that I recall either...

CW first:
Infantry: 281 vs 556
Artillery (all types): 15 vs 43
Tanks: 15 vs 7
Fighters (Destroyed): 0(0) vs 2(0)
Bombers (Destroyed): 12(3) vs 5(1)

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/1/2018 5:30:08 PM   
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11th November 1942


And still they come.....

No attacks this turn from the Axis but despite a further withdrawal just one unit was engaged.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/1/2018 5:31:45 PM   
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11th November 1942


Total disaster. A failed proficiency check for the CW after just 2 turns. Really not impressed with this.....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 11:07:25 AM   
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14th November 1942


Two bombardments from the Axis - and the results were roughly even thanks to counter-battery fire.

Sadly for the CW the Axis continue to withdraw but leave sufficiently strong rear-guards to make pursuit difficult.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 11:12:41 AM   
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14th November 1942


devoncop continues to play a canny game and as a result of this latest retreat my artillery are clean out of the picture. I have few combats this turn and so it makes little sense to have a massive bomber force on Combat Support.

I don't want to use Interdiction because it appears to be just a cheap excuse to achieve little but get all my bombers evaporated - and that is just going to cost me victory points for no good purpose. BUT I have to try something. I see the enemy fighters continuing to withdraw and I now have new airfields at Sidi Barrani and Zawyet Shamus to cover my bomber fleet.

So....

The position with one round to go.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 1:11:55 PM   
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A very weak turn for the CW. I put in some bombardments at the end so have to hope that the Axis need reorganising. If not then.....

I placed much of my 'dark green' bombers on interception. I set the range so that they would only be hitting Axis forces at or near the front line - and where I have plenty of fighter cover.... let's see what happens, although based on previous experience my hopes aren't high....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 2:58:10 PM   
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17th November 1942


Difficult to contain the anger at this stage. From what I could tell on the playback there was not a single bomber that flew an interdiction mission - I then checked the Air Unit Report and every interdicting bomber is still 'dark green' and indeed the air briefing states no aircraft lost.

But it gets even better; despite the presence of all that artillery, not a single Axis unit is engaged when retreating. Right....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 6:35:04 PM   
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17th November 1942


devoncop has placed a lot of German units at the Halfaya Pass. I hope I've not underestimated his strength here. The South Africans and the Free French have done a great job moving up the coast road but I've needed to give them more support from elsewhere.

This is the big picture with one round to go. These are great tactics from devoncop as it takes me all turn just trying to clear the stragglers - meaning advance is painfully slow.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/2/2018 7:05:54 PM   
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17th November 1942


Another incredibly disappointing turn and Axis counter-battery fire remains lethal. Air Battle 32 was a particular low point as 161 modern Allied fighters came up against 22 bi-planes.... and promptly received only 2 less casualties but had 4 more aircraft destroyed.....

Despite the loss of so many field pieces there was some good news in the form of the number of enemy tanks - many German - that were lost.

If the Germans at Halfaya are in half decent shape then I'm screwed - oh unless my aircraft decide to interdict this time.....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/3/2018 12:30:45 PM   
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21st November 1942


Its really strange. I am receiving a few odds and ends by way of reinforcement but the Axis continues to have units streaming onto the map from Tripolitania....

Yet again no retreating units were engaged (seriously?) and although some bombers were shot down this time - I saw nothing in the playback to say there were any interdictions.....



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/3/2018 12:34:37 PM   
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21st November 1942


With one round to go once again the thin line of Axis blocking units has been all that is required to stop any meaningful advance. So so frustrating.

At least I at last took El Hamra - which I think is worth a victory point or two.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/3/2018 5:21:08 PM   
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25th November 1942


My own stupidity in failing to move a whole theatre in the PAW game has not done wonders for my mood but this is now getting to be something of a joke... My bombers - 90% of which are set to Interdiction, just won't interdict. At the start of the game if the CW sneeze they get blown to hell. Now, my fully rested, dark green bombers simply refuse to fly.

Added to which, once again, not a single Axis unit is engaged when withdrawing - not a single one.

And a dozen or so Axis reinforcements arrive....

As expected, the German artillery at Halfaya has knocked seven bells out of my artillery too.....

Great.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/3/2018 6:33:35 PM   
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25th November 1942


With one round to go the CW are almost through Halfaya Pass - although who knows what is waiting the other side.....


We'll head 'em off at the pass!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQvu4H3BXM8



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/3/2018 7:05:22 PM   
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All in all a pretty appalling turn. My bombers are totally useless if they won't interdict so I decided to use them as aerial artillery instead and got smacked about despite not a single Axis fighter being present and no hex attacked had AA in situ. Oh well....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 12:59:34 AM   
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Warspite,

This game can be very frustrating, I hate it when I task units and they do not even try to follow up. The air war is good in the game, but still can be frustrating. I wish that I had more control over Interdiction missions.

You are definitely pushing Devoncop back...

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 5:56:52 AM   
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Turn 229
25th November 1942


All in all a pretty appalling turn. My bombers are totally useless if they won't interdict so I decided to use them as aerial artillery instead and got smacked about despite not a single Axis fighter being present and no hex attacked had AA in situ. Oh well....





Warspite your planes are almost certainly performing interdiction strikes. Unlike TOAW III this version of the game(TOAW IV) does not indicate interdiction strikes in your opponent's replay. A lot of the mysterious "unexplained" air losses you complain of are probably related to interdiction actions. And depending on the AA setting in the game any weapon with an AA rating can contribute to air loses...noy just anti aircraft units.

It is a known issue but they do need to fix interdiction so you have some idea where and how often your planes conduct interdiction strikes. Imagine how frustrating it can be in a Vietnam scenario while playing the US

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 6:22:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Turn 229
25th November 1942


All in all a pretty appalling turn. My bombers are totally useless if they won't interdict so I decided to use them as aerial artillery instead and got smacked about despite not a single Axis fighter being present and no hex attacked had AA in situ. Oh well....





Warspite your planes are almost certainly performing interdiction strikes. Unlike TOAW III this version of the game(TOAW IV) does not indicate interdiction strikes in your opponent's replay. A lot of the mysterious "unexplained" air losses you complain of are probably related to interdiction actions. And depending on the AA setting in the game any weapon with an AA rating can contribute to air loses...noy just anti aircraft units.

It is a known issue but they do need to fix interdiction so you have some idea where and how often your planes conduct interdiction strikes. Imagine how frustrating it can be in a Vietnam scenario while playing the US

warspite1

Yes the interdiction problem - and the total lack of information is known and I have pointed it out once or twice

But please see post 1089 - no aircraft losses at all and all bombers on interdiction remain 'dark green' the turn immediately following what should have been interdiction strikes. I am as confident as its possible to be that those aircraft did not fly.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 3:40:27 PM   
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I am as confident as its possible to be that those aircraft did not fly.


Sure you had them on Interdiction ("I") and not Sea Interdiction ("T")?

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 4:05:37 PM   
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quote:

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I am as confident as its possible to be that those aircraft did not fly.


Sure you had them on Interdiction ("I") and not Sea Interdiction ("T")?
warspite1

100% sure. I am a wargaming bozo, but in a game without Italian naval vessels it would be well beyond the realms of bozo to place my bombers on sea interdiction.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 4:17:58 PM   
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Turn 230
28th November 1942


In a shocking development no Axis units retreating from the front line were engaged.....

At least this time I think there was an airstrike as the air briefing states there were 3 Allied aircraft lost.

There were a number of over-excited AA units (in recce mode) destroyed and one land attack that destroyed and LRDG unit and the AA it was stacked with.

The German appear to have brought up panzer and anti-tank units to defend the Sidi Omar area.

The Germans should have no more replacements with 14 turns to go (although I am assuming that to be the case if the CW take back Alexandria - it doesn't specifically say so) - and I didn't see any new units pouring over the Tripolitanian border.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 4:26:09 PM   
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28th November 1942


I haven't done an update on any nos. for a while - the Axis air force has disappeared and, lets face it, there is no point holding anything back at this stage! However it might be interesting to see just what the CW has left....

But first a summary




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 4:40:41 PM   
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Turn 230
28th November 1942


The actual nos. of aircraft has never been so high - although the reserves have been hugely eaten into. The last of the Wellington replacements arrive this turn and the Spitfire the turn after. While saying the total aircraft is high in number, the actual bomber strength has reduced markedly.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 4:53:31 PM   
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Turn 230
28th November 1942


A comparison of infantry and small arms - I've chosen turn 199 simply because that appears to have been about the peak... that's a lot of losses....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 5:02:22 PM   
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Turn 230
28th November 1942


Same rationale with the artillery and turn 207 seems to have been a high point. There is only one number worth looking at here. If devoncop has any tanks left and he sees this I'm screwed....




I don't intend to go through the tanks regiment by regiment, but will simply do a total. There are 1,240 remaining in the 8th Army - that is 116 less than the peak - although there were no Shermans and now there are 222.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/4/2018 6:17:14 PM   
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Turn 230
28th November 1942


With one round to go the CW has made a breakthrough at the Pass and captured (at least temporarily) Sollum.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/5/2018 12:05:44 AM   
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Warspite,

I find it interesting to see that most of your posts show the units with their movement allowances showing - not their strengths. Do you usually play that way or is it just because a lot of your posts are during the last round of combat?

Good luck as you finish off this game.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/5/2018 2:58:04 AM   
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Warspite,

I find it interesting to see that most of your posts show the units with their movement allowances showing - not their strengths. Do you usually play that way or is it just because a lot of your posts are during the last round of combat?

Good luck as you finish off this game.


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No I always have this as my setting - its just personal preference.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 6/5/2018 6:01:44 AM   
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Turn 231
2nd December 1942


The victory level is 96 - and for the first time moves to marginal victory. However I have a message from devoncop to say that he will concede at the end of my turn as he is literally scrabbling round for units.

It would have been nice to see how the last dozen turns play out and how far the CW could get, but I understand from devoncop's point of view that simply retreating in the hope that you keep the score as low as possible isn't perhaps the best fun.

I still don't quite understand what happened - and guess I won't until I see it from the Axis side. One minute it seemed there was an impenetrable wall of Axis units, well dug-in with copious tank, aircraft and artillery support and then..... there wasn't. And let's be honest, the only reason devoncop lost this is because, as a new player, he didn't realise (and neither did I) that the RN could be killed off with the Ju-87 so I was able to destroy so many of his units and delay the taking of Tobruk to fatal effect for the Axis.

So thanks again to devoncop for a thoroughly enjoyable frolic in the sand

With STBP and now CFNA done, I can concentrate on PAW - and that needs a lot of concentration. I still have four other CFNA non-AAR games going (and am losing heavily in three of them!) so I can give them more time too.

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