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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/7/2018 6:16:25 PM   
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You should now be receiving gobs of Shermans, Grants, and Crusader IIIs via the tracks.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/7/2018 6:24:41 PM   
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You should now be receiving gobs of Shermans, Grants, and Crusader IIIs via the tracks.
warspite1

When I checked a few turns ago I think I had about 4 Shermans and a few more Crusader III's. I've been getting Grant's for ages. I'll check for an update when its my turn next.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 8:40:17 PM   
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26th August 1943


Well I need to get some sleep so I can't go through the detail now - but that is likely the turn that confirms the CW (at least in my hands) just can't win this.

I got some luck in the air last turn and kept air superiority, but that means nothing and two CW squadrons are furballed - not really sure what on earth the fighters were even doing as there were no attacks by the Germans and no aircraft are on interception so....

But that wasn't even the bad news. I've lost something like 100+ field guns in just one turn - in 7 bombardments! That's just bonkers.


Okay so in the cold light of day the result wasn't quite as bad as feared (but still very bad) as the losses were 'only' 97 guns of all types.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 4:54:36 AM   
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Turn 203
26th August 1943


Despite that awful turn the victory score moves 1-point in my favour thanks no doubt to the Axis furballs from the turn before. Just 40 turns left.....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 5:13:41 AM   
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Turn 203
26th August 1943


The dire state of the air force...

Lots of squadrons on paper - actual aircraft....not so much. The number of operational squadrons is my first pass - simply placing anything 'dark green' on operational status. I will need to fine hone this later in the turn to ensure none of these dark greens have too few aircraft or maybe some of the light greens can be brought into service given the urgency of the situation.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 5:27:22 AM   
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26th August 1943


I identify the following as possible areas for attack. I can't afford to try too many as I need to concentrate my puny artillery in order to stand any hope of making the attacks work.

In the south devoncop appears to have made a general withdrawal and what I am facing is a screen.

I want to keep the pressure on in the coastal plain however - the deeper desert is secondary.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 6:09:11 AM   
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Turn 203
26th August 1943


After a round of bombardment I select two more hexes for barrage and three to attack. The air battles were okay - although not as god as it could be given the number of sorties flown - but I was saved by one battle in particular where the Axis suffered.

The Land battles saw mixed success. Advances in the north and south, but the 1st Bn. 5th Panzer Regiment came to save the day in the centre. Allied losses - even before the ridiculous aircraft situation - were heavy.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 6:32:00 AM   
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26th August 1943


For the next round I was able to push the Axis back in all three attacked hexes - but the losses are just so great - units evaporating all over the place too. And yet I attack on 'Excellent' or occasionally less if I have lots of artillery and air support. But I don't take the mickey where German forces are concerned and yet.... the battle predictions in this game appear to be a lottery in many cases - what am I missing?

I get one more round and I will see what I can do but in addition to evaporation I got a few key units reorganising after that.

Overall the losses weren't too bad - and it was good to see the German tanks take some losses. The continued reduction in the bomber force is annoying, although the Axis fighters seemed to expend their strength in shooting them down as their response grew increasingly worse.

Sadly a battalion of Royal West Kent's got excited and will be surrounded and gobbled up next turn. A lone tank battalion that advanced to the east is in trouble too....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:41:39 AM   
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Turn 204
29th August 1943


The CW fighters continue to suffer

But the British battalion caught behind enemy lines (sorry I thought it was the RWK's but it was the 5th Royal Sussex) held on though completely surrounded




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:45:31 AM   
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Turn 204
29th August 1943


Annoyingly my fresh infantry division - the 51st Highland - decides to go into reorganisation.... great timing lads.

So as I try and decide what to do, here are the latest scores on the doors...




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 6:56:55 PM   
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Warspite,

I hate it when the unit I've got plans for decides to reorganize. Especially if I can see no reason for the reorg.

I noticed in your victory point shot that the enemy loss penalty fluctuates - the enemy loss penalty goes from 99 to 98 from July to August. I've noticed this elsewhere and I really do not know what the loss penalty actually covers. Do you?

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:01:47 PM   
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quote:

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Warspite,

I hate it when the unit I've got plans for decides to reorganize. Especially if I can see no reason for the reorg.

I noticed in your victory point shot that the enemy loss penalty fluctuates - the enemy loss penalty goes from 99 to 98 from July to August. I've noticed this elsewhere and I really do not know what the loss penalty actually covers. Do you?

Have a good day

The loss penalty is increased by losses and decreased by replacements.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:03:12 PM   
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quote:

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Warspite,

I hate it when the unit I've got plans for decides to reorganize. Especially if I can see no reason for the reorg.

I noticed in your victory point shot that the enemy loss penalty fluctuates - the enemy loss penalty goes from 99 to 98 from July to August. I've noticed this elsewhere and I really do not know what the loss penalty actually covers. Do you?

Have a good day
warspite1

I'm assuming its losses of men and equipment as it seems to fluctuate after turns with big losses.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:03:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay


quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeJ19

Warspite,

I hate it when the unit I've got plans for decides to reorganize. Especially if I can see no reason for the reorg.

I noticed in your victory point shot that the enemy loss penalty fluctuates - the enemy loss penalty goes from 99 to 98 from July to August. I've noticed this elsewhere and I really do not know what the loss penalty actually covers. Do you?

Have a good day

The loss penalty is increased by losses and decreased by replacements.
warspite1

Yeah, what he said


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 8:45:57 PM   
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Turn 204
29th August 1943


In a staggering - but not surprising - display of ineptitude - I manage to copy over my saved screenshots....

All I have therefore is the summary combat losses. As can be seen the turn was pretty good from an Allied perspective all in all. I wanted to make in roads on the coast road, but the reorganising of the 51st Highland Division put paid to any hopes there. The gains made were further south where the surrounded Sussex battalion were rescued - and just to the north of that position where mixed Kiwi, Indian, Australian and British troops have started to push north.

The attack here (Battle 19) cost the Italians and Germans heavily in infantry and artillery of all types. A look at the air war indicates (please ) that the Axis air forces are struggling to put up the numbers. Even so the Allied bombers came in for rough treatment despite the size of the escort - Battle 19 being particularly frustrating.....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 12:03:58 AM   
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Curtis,

Thanks for the info on the loss penalty - makes sense to me now, I think.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 8:01:06 PM   
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Turn 205 - Axis Turn
2nd September 1942


Some movement south of the Depression at last....


This picture part way through the turn pre-bombardments.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 8:03:38 PM   
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Turn 205 - Axis Turn
2nd September 1942


A quite painful turn for the CW given the small number of bombardments employed.... Another CW Hurricane evaporates The turn was perhaps interesting for the few Me-109's that appeared.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 8:09:46 PM   
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Turn 205
2nd September 1942


There was something of a swing victory points wise toward the CW last turn - despite that last Axis go. I guess the overall aircraft losses were expensive...




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 8:13:38 PM   
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Turn 205
2nd September 1942


You couldn't make it up.... Hot on the heels of the newly arrived 51st Highland Division going into reorg, my best infantry - the 2nd New Zealand - now do the same... I mean how the hell???

But as before, I can't let a simple lack of infantry delay things!

I open proceedings with some bombardments before switching to combat - and three attacks. My focus remains the coastal road but and I manage to push the enemy back here. To the south of the railway line two further gains are made - one of which is against a lone German battalion that dishes out a large number of casualties to the CW forces.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 10:28:39 PM   
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Turn 205
2nd September 1942


Further bombardment ensues before another couple of assaults are ordered. There is no real opportunity to attack on the coast road which is a real shame, but that is okay - if, if I can drive northwest toward Ruseiwat Ridge, then in theory I have a chance of encircling devoncops units on the coastal plain. This won't happen but I can dream can't I?

There is one big attack here (the northern-most of the two) that accounts for almost 100 infantry squads and 60 tanks - most of these German.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 10:32:50 PM   
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Turn 205
2nd September 2018


The final round is a mix of bombardment and 3 assaults. Tank formations try and force a gap in the enemy lines south of El Hammam but this is the only attack that gains territory and the enemy hold elsewhere.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 10:35:41 PM   
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2nd September 2018


The final bill and its a bit of a mixed bag. I end the turn as I started it, with air superiority but once again the results are incredibly disappointing. The Allied fighters flew 4 sorties to every 1 Axis but the Allies lost more fighters - as well as 40 bombers.

The other negative was the loss of almost 60 anti-tank guns which really hurts. However, the Axis losses in infantry and tanks is pleasing to see.

I haven't yet committed the Greek Brigade to the fray and hopefully the Kiwis will be back next turn. Let's just hope no other key units decide they need R+R......




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 10:21:28 AM   
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Turn 206
5th September 1942


A pretty awful turn for me and the victory points swing back in the Axis favour by two points.

My gain on the coast road was wiped out and I lost more than 50 field guns. The unfathomable goings on in the air continues - I continue to have air superiority according to the air table - and I got completely trashed in the air.... again????

My mood is massively improved with the news that not only is the 51st Infantry Division reorganising....again... but so is the recently arrived 44th Division - that's 6 field artillery, 2 anti-tank and 18 battalions out of the order of battle straight off.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 10:57:33 AM   
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Turn 206
5th September 1942


The opening round saw a series of bombardments along the front. Results were not spectacular but the artillery was spread out rather than concentrated this time.

For round 3 no less than 6 attacks are ordered - in the north to try and take back Burg El Arab - two attacks to try and put pressure on El Hammam - and finally three attacks toward Alam Halfa.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 11:12:51 AM   
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Turn 206
5th September 1942


I haven't looked at the casualty nos. at this stage but the attacks were all successful in gaining ground.

I decide to continue with three more attacks - and these too succeed - at varying cost - in pushing the enemy back. But at the end of the round I fail a proficiency test - which is really irritating in the extreme at this time. The end of the turn means I can't take a picture but if you look at the picture above I can confirm that my lead armour elements are now just two hexes from El Hammam - but the breach is two hexes wide not one (subject to what devonccop has in response). Instead of a picture of the front I will do a round up of the costs....

The infantry losses were pretty serious.....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 11:56:36 AM   
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Warspite,

Units reorganizing without any apparent reason is so frustrating. I understand your pain.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 12:11:44 PM   
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quote:

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Warspite,

Units reorganizing without any apparent reason is so frustrating. I understand your pain.
warspite1

I guess there is a reason - what is so annoying here is that the 51st Highland have only recently arrived and have reorganised in two of the last three turns.....


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 1:01:29 PM   
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This inspired me to actually RTFM to work out what goes on ...

Section 9.1.10:

"Units of Formations failing a Formation Quality
Check at the beginning of a Turn are considered
to be Reorganizing and will only be available for
non-combat orders. They will accept all other
orders, and they will Defend normally, but are not
available for launching Attacks or Bombardments.
Formation Quality is the average of the
Formation’s Proficiency and average assigned
unit Quality. Formation Quality is reduced if
many units are divided. The Formation passes the
Quality Check if this value is greater than a random
number from 1 to 100, or [?? presumably this should be "and"]
if the number of units that
experienced severe combat results in the previous
Turn is smaller than a random number from 1 to
the number of units in the Formation."


And:


19.1.2. Unit Quality Calculation
Quality = (2 x proficiency + readiness) / 3


So: The 51st Div has formation proficiency of 70 and all of its assigned units appear to start out at 70 also. At 100% unit readiness, average Unit Quality = (2*70+100)/3 = 80. Which gives Formation Quality = average(70,80) = 75. So the division has a 25% chance of re-org each turn. Modulo increases in unit proficiency, reductions in readiness and severe combat results. And modulo loss of div HQ and losses to support squads.

To me, that seems too high for a good quality C'wealth division. I think British C&C failings should include a Force Proficiency aspect. Something like re-org check against average of Formation Quality and Force Proficiency. At the moment, Force Proficiency mainly impacts early turn endings.

Anyway, it would have been nice if after all these years, the system would allow for both Force and Formation Proficiency to be varied via events, reflecting eg Monty arriving to hand out cigs, tidy up the lesser mortals' messes & take a grip on things.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 2:39:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Szilard

This inspired me to actually RTFM to work out what goes on ...

Section 9.1.10:

"Units of Formations failing a Formation Quality
Check at the beginning of a Turn are considered
to be Reorganizing and will only be available for
non-combat orders. They will accept all other
orders, and they will Defend normally, but are not
available for launching Attacks or Bombardments.
Formation Quality is the average of the
Formation’s Proficiency and average assigned
unit Quality. Formation Quality is reduced if
many units are divided. The Formation passes the
Quality Check if this value is greater than a random
number from 1 to 100, or [?? presumably this should be "and"]
if the number of units that
experienced severe combat results in the previous
Turn is smaller than a random number from 1 to
the number of units in the Formation."


And:


19.1.2. Unit Quality Calculation
Quality = (2 x proficiency + readiness) / 3


So: The 51st Div has formation proficiency of 70 and all of its assigned units appear to start out at 70 also. At 100% unit readiness, average Unit Quality = (2*70+100)/3 = 80. Which gives Formation Quality = average(70,80) = 75. So the division has a 25% chance of re-org each turn. Modulo increases in unit proficiency, reductions in readiness and severe combat results. And modulo loss of div HQ and losses to support squads.

To me, that seems too high for a good quality C'wealth division. I think British C&C failings should include a Force Proficiency aspect. Something like re-org check against average of Formation Quality and Force Proficiency. At the moment, Force Proficiency mainly impacts early turn endings.

Anyway, it would have been nice if after all these years, the system would allow for both Force and Formation Proficiency to be varied via events, reflecting eg Monty arriving to hand out cigs, tidy up the lesser mortals' messes & take a grip on things.

warspite1

Thanks for that Szilard. Numbers and maths an' **** leaves me cold so its nice that you've been able to put some context on this definition.

I agree for a 1942 Commonwealth - certainly post Monty - a 1 in 4 chance seems excessive.


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