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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me (Allied) - 1/15/2018 3:34:59 AM   
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I consider Brian's turn one moves to be the best I've seen him do yet and I marvel
at what I've just seen. This should be a tutorial on how to move your units in T1
of FITE2. Needless to say I really like what he's been able to do and how
far his units have gone. The turn ended rather abruptly however so I'm guessing
he failed a force proficiency check or something technical like that.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 3:52:22 AM   
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I found a great reason to ground the Soviet air fleet for a while. I'm going to move
those that aren't in reorg and can move, to the Moscow area to give them a period of
rest and to avoid the worst of the air shock difference. My planes wouldn't be much
of an Axis hinderence right now anyway.

EDIT: Yeah, I said Berlin instead of Moscow. But I've changed it to Moscow now so
it reads right again.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 3:55:42 AM   
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Here's how fierce his attacking was in turn 1:




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 3:58:36 AM   
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I'm posting this partial list of losses to show me what I'm starting with and how much
I have to play with and so on.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 4:02:19 AM   
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I went to see how many formations there were and discovered all the formations were set to attack mode. D'oh.
There's too much to change for me to be tempted to use Elmer to move the units.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 4:13:04 AM   
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All the aircraft are in poor shape except for a few that are still green.
But I can't use the ones that are in the green by themselves, best all at
once at some future date. Right now I'm going through all the aircraft
units setting them to a single-dot setting and those that can move I'm
moving to the Berlin area.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 4:23:53 AM   
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If you move all those Soviet aircraft to the Berlin area, you probably won't like the results.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 8:02:23 AM   
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I found a great reason to ground the Soviet air fleet for a while. I'm going to move
those that aren't in reorg and can move, to the Berlin areaa to give them a period of
rest and to avoid the worst of the air shock difference. My planes wouldn't be much
of an Axis hinderence right now anyway.






The Red Air Force needs to move as far East as possible to be able to recover, especially during the first few turns of negative air shock. Then and only then can it return to the fight. It can achieve parity in the Finnish area of operations and if you plan a local counter attack concentrate you air forces for the duration of your attack and then run east again. Your air force need to be husbanded very carefully during the first few turns so it has a chance to fight back later in the day

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 8:23:37 AM   
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If you move all those Soviet aircraft to the Berlin area, you probably won't like the results.

The idea I had was to move the aircraft to safety, to get them out of combat for a while in
a safe place so they can rest and recover some of their moxie.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 8:45:37 AM   
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The Red Air Force needs to move as far East as possible to be able to recover, especially during the first few turns of negative air shock. Then and only then can it return to the fight. It can achieve parity in the Finnish area of operations and if you plan a local counter attack concentrate you air forces for the duration of your attack and then run east again. Your air force need to be husbanded very carefully during the first few turns so it has a chance to fight back later in the day

Thanks for posting this info; I think it's a good idea.


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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 9:55:26 AM   
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There's an interesting thread about FITE2 in the WAR ROOM section of the forum
( http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4419062 ) about the house rules about
no bridge bombing and no INT or SEA INT missions and I thought maybe I should bring
it to your attention. I kinda lean toward no restrictions at all just like in real
life but that may cause a balancing issue as was mentioned. And FITE2 playtests
aren't of short duration and development of the scenario would necessarily take quite
a while....especially for the late war period testing.

What do you guys think about the aircraft mission restrictions?

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:12:16 AM   
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I'm going to have to peruse the Scenario Briefing again to see if I can
find out when Lend Lease kicks in, altough I don't remember reading any
thing at all about it. Also, I could see from the inventory dialog when
I start building Studebaker trucks if they aren't building already. I'll
have to take a look at that.

I'm probably not going to get any Studebaker trucks for a while yet.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:16:51 AM   
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It looks like Lend Lease starts to kick in for Studebaker trucks
in T136. But then I start to get a bunch of them per turn.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:24:21 AM   
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From the Scenario Briefing:

Soviet Automatic events:

Turn: 30
Event: First lend-lease protocol signed with the US.
Soviet Supply +1
Description: Before 1st October, the Soviets payment was in gold. However, the first
protocol that agreed on what materials should be send and the pacific route opened up.
This was, after the war started between the US and Japan delivered in Soviet ships,
and only non-military help came that way. There was a very active flight way for aircraft
though. This is also marks the time of the first British convoys that
started to arrive.
Especially these early shipments from the British played
a crucial role in defending Moscow. The timing was indeed perfect.


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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:35:30 AM   
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I've got a sort of Stalin Line started down south so I think I'll build on that
and see what kind of response I get. Part of the problem is that the Rumanians
usually jump the river and hit me on my left flank at the most inopertune time.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:39:59 AM   
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The supply level at Murmansk isn't the best I've ever seen.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 10:51:47 AM   
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In the Riga area I'm in a footrace to get to the river before the Axis units can get
there and trap my units on the wrong side of the river. The idea is to pull everybody
back to the river and defend there. The problemo is that Brian has tanks and fast
moving recon units and he'll probably get there ahead of me. D'oh. I'll have to
build another MLR somewhere further east. Probably near Pskov.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 11:53:04 AM   
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I just discovered to my horror that there's some unfinished rail to the NE of Odessa.
That means I can't just rail in some reinforcements easily. They will have to hot
foot it some. I need to get the entire fleet inventory of RR engrs down here to do
something about this pretty quickly. I've also broken a bridge near Moscow accidently
that I need to fix too in order to ship stuff from Moscow to Leningrad. I've got
about a dozen RR engr units and most of them are in the Moscow area right now low on
MP's and needing a job.

Brian and I are negotiating the house rule about no bridge bombing. I've got some IL-4
squadrons that just love to bomb the bridges outside of Berlin over and over just to
keep the Axis engineers employed.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 12:20:16 PM   
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Brian and I are negotiating the house rule about no bridge bombing. I've got some IL-4
squadrons that just love to bomb the bridges outside of Berlin over and over just to
keep the Axis engineers employed.




Thats probably the reason why the no bridge bombing rule is in place. Strategic strikes were not a real feature of the war in the East. I guess there can be some sort of HR worked out between players about tactical bridge strikes maybe. But IL-4s bombing bridges by Berlin seems a bit out of the realm of the possible, though I sense a bit of tongue in cheek here

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 2:38:41 PM   
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I was making a joke because you had put that you were resting your Soviet aircraft in Berlin. Your idea was sound, I just found it humorous that you had put Berlin instead of Moscow.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 2:52:14 PM   
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I was making a joke because you had put that you were resting your Soviet aircraft
in Berlin. Your idea was sound, I just found it humorous that you had put Berlin
instead of Moscow.

OOOOOooooohhhhh. I get it now. I read it wrong and missed your point entirely.
I guess that's how tired I was. I just now got up from my nap and I'm ready to go
again. The electricity went off last night but I didn't loose all my work on my
moves because I had put my computer in hibernation mode. I did have to boot it
again however. Just to be safe I did a save game and shut everything down and did
a restart to reset the virtual RAM file. It was getting big.

I really like this FITE2 scenario. The only problem is finding your way around the
huge map. I zoom out a lot.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 8:27:47 PM   
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I've gotten started on my Stalin's Line down south. I've been moving units since about 21:00 last night and only took one nap
and it's already 14:10 the next day and I'm only about half-way done moving my dudes. A lot of them are in reserve and can't
move so there's no decision about those but the rest of them need to be moved to the spots where I'm building my roadblocks
and strong points and especially the prototype front lines that are taking shape.

In the Riga area I've decided not to lose a lot of people trying to hold onto the river crosing but to defend on the northeast
side of the river instead. Maybe that'll work out better. Other units are racing for the river crossings trying to get
there before the Germans do. Both to avoid being trapped on the west side of the river and ultimate destruction, but to be
able to defend better with a river between us.

I've just about used up all my rail cap moving formations at a time from deep in the Urals down southeast up to at least Odessa
or around there. It would be just like Brian to put some of his divisions on the rail and move them through Romania to get
into my backfield. So far so good. The good news is that I'm retreating into better supply and Brian's moving into lessor
areas.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 8:42:32 PM   
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Here's a typical Corps. This scenario uses Corps for the Soviet side instead of divisions I guess. The proficiency is
40% which means they aren't trained past mess-kit repair and can't shoot move or communicate worth a dad gum. They
are mostly cannon fodder for when I need to do some three-dot defenses at the river crossings.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/15/2018 9:38:57 PM   
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Down south I figure I need to defend in depth and that means more than one MLR and
several would be ideal so I've started three of them along the rivers. I think it
might be possible to delay Brian's troops the most if I drop the bridge, post a
guard there so he can't repair it immediately, backed up with some arty maybe. The
idea is to hold in place as long as possible. Buy some time for the killed units to
respawn and rail to the front. Plus a turn or two of rest. The units killed in turn
one will probably be spawning in turn five or six and four more turns for resting and
railing to the front, say T10 for some reinforcements at the front. I need to hold
on that long at least. Once the reinforcements start coming in I think there's a
chance that I might be able to build a proper front line and have it stand in place
for once. So I'm looking for a game turnaround about T20 or so.




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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/16/2018 12:50:09 AM   
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Brian and I are negotiating the house rule about no bridge bombing. I've got some IL-4
squadrons that just love to bomb the bridges outside of Berlin over and over just to
keep the Axis engineers employed.




Thats probably the reason why the no bridge bombing rule is in place. Strategic strikes were not a real feature of the war in the East. I guess there can be some sort of HR worked out between players about tactical bridge strikes maybe. But IL-4s bombing bridges by Berlin seems a bit out of the realm of the possible, though I sense a bit of tongue in cheek here

Maybe a game's flaw, or some compromise that the designers have to do, but no one in his right mind, in WW2, was gonna send bombers to the enemy's capital (if was not in the front line) to bomb some BRIDGES. That's absurd.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/16/2018 12:53:25 AM   
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Maybe a game's flaw, or some compromise that the designers have to do, but no one in his right mind, in WW2, was gonna send bombers to the enemy's capital (if was not in the front line) to bomb some BRIDGES. That's absurd.

That's why Brian wouldn't expect it. Hee, hee.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me ( Allied ) - 1/16/2018 12:56:23 AM   
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quote:

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Brian and I are negotiating the house rule about no bridge bombing. I've got some IL-4
squadrons that just love to bomb the bridges outside of Berlin over and over just to
keep the Axis engineers employed.




Thats probably the reason why the no bridge bombing rule is in place. Strategic strikes were not a real feature of the war in the East. I guess there can be some sort of HR worked out between players about tactical bridge strikes maybe. But IL-4s bombing bridges by Berlin seems a bit out of the realm of the possible, though I sense a bit of tongue in cheek here


Several harassment raids were made by the Soviets against German cities in 1941 including Berlin. Some before the Baltic Islands were captured. Some from Leningrad. Yer-2, PE-8 and Il-4. Raids were also made against Bulgaria and Romania.

I don't think they could have hit a bridge though unless they crashed the aircraft into it.

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me (Allied) - 1/16/2018 4:59:27 AM   
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I've posted something to the wrong AAR and to prevent some
confusion I'll just delete the image and verbage..

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me (Allied) - 1/16/2018 6:23:51 AM   
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Huh, how did you get hold of all those German Bautrupps? POWs or deserters? Or did you mix up the AARs...?

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RE: FITE2 PBEM General Patton(Axis) and me (Allied) - 1/16/2018 6:25:49 AM   
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Huh, how did you get hold of all those German Bautrupps? POWs or deserters? Or did you mix up the AARs

Ooopps. Wrong AAR.

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