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Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for Bel... - 12/15/2017 6:46:40 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/15/2017 7:04:06 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/15/2017 7:10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		A good resource I stumbled upon was here:

http://www.comandosupremo.com/italian-divisional-organizations-tipo-africa-settentrionale-a-s.html

as well as the old website bayonet strength -

https://web.archive.org/web/20150101022929/http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com:80/Italian/italian_infantry_battalion%20north%20africa.htm

So, we're not that far off with our 1a Compagnia...

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/15/2017 7:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK... one thing... if you don't use modified .EQP files, than how would the unit look like in 'vanilla' TOAW IV terms?

Now, the Rfl Sqd M91/41 is in 'vanilla' terms the Light Rifle Squad. Basically, just grunts without light MGs, just rifles.

The Rfl Sqd M91/41 + Breda LMG(2) would be the equivalent to the Heavy Rifle Squad. Why heavy? The standard HRS has 2 LMGs. The regular Rifle Squad in the 'vanilla' would have one LMG.

I'll talk a tad more about it tomorrow... and Si! We'll create more units for Bella Italia ;)

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/15/2017 8:32:41 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 2:33:55 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 3:21:30 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 3:46:08 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 3:59:00 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 4:13:01 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 4:14:22 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/16/2017 4:20:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, here are the files for you to play with them...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjfa8mbem8qnm1h/Tutorial%20%2742%20-%20Editor.zip?dl=0

You know the drill where to put the files. Also, get Notepad++, or another XML editor, to see for yourself how you can easily open, modify (but also screw up!?) a .OOB file ;) Right now, I am waiting for our feedback and suggestions before I will continue.

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 2:02:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, time to share some other insights into the whole process of creating what's called TO&E of units for TOAW IV and where to find OOBs.

A good start for our purposes: https://web.archive.org/web/20160526041637/http://bayonetstrength.150m.com:80/Italian/italian_army.htm

and here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150720174504/http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/942IQAD.PDF

As well as this site:

http://www.niehorster.org/019_italy/__italy.htm

They do provide just the basic stuff we need in order to model our force(s) and units.

Remember, that all the numbers and authorized equipment were rarely matched in reality. But potential and actual sustained losses of men & equipment can be easily implemented.

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 2:40:49 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 3:04:25 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 3:12:48 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 4:06:22 PM   
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Based on - https://web.archive.org/web/20110905232338/http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/British/Infantry/british_infantry_battalion%201941%20to%201942.htm

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 4:32:33 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 4:49:14 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/17/2017 5:21:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, that's it for today. Attached the updated .SCE and .EQP file; you know where to put them. I also included some guidelines about force/formation/unit proficiency/supply default values.

On behalf of Col. Klinkoni and Lt.Col. McKlinkock your feedback and suggestions are, as usual, appreciated. Please, note: The scenario is purely a sandbox scenario for you to toy around, ja?

EDIT: Recommended supplemental reading - http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4401059&mpage=1� - How is Defense Strength of Equipment used in combat resolution? - A big thanks to MarGol, the Försvarsminister.

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/18/2017 1:15:33 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/18/2017 1:39:45 PM   
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thank you for your very interesting tutorials, in particular this for me

I am glad you liked it! Do forgive me though when some of my Italian descriptions weren't 100%, I tried my best (I do my research, you see?).

Now it's time for my Italian and other fellow TOAW 'groupies' to start building units and formations of their own. Attached the OOB and very good TO&E of the Italian forces during the Gazala operation in May 1942.

German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unternehmen_Theseus
Italian: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Ain_el-Gazala
English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gazala

More feedback is of course appreciated!

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/18/2017 3:46:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tutorial '41: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4382552
Tutorial '42: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4387818
Tutorial '42 - Editor: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4401098
Tutorial '43: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4390285
Tutorial '43 - Combat: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4394374
Tutorial '44: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4397183

OK peeps, that's the whole Tutorial 'xx series at present. Please do forgive me the countless typos in various 'speech bubbles'; I'll try to go through the whole slides (quite a few!!!) and correct them. The whole project is not finished yet, alas I do require direct feedback, positive or negative. Feel free to post your feedback in threads or PM/Email me. Thanks!

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/18/2017 6:58:14 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 12/18/2017 7:44:06 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 1/9/2018 3:43:38 AM   
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Now... Can we modify, add, delete and so on our units and OOB without the editor at all? Sì possiamo!
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Herr Oberst, an explanation is requested as to how you jumped from editing in game to editing using Notepad++. When I save an OOB it saves as an OOL file which is binary, not a readable XML file. So there's a step missing on converting OOL to OOB perhaps?

Note that I have no problem editing the .gam XML file, but also ended up with a parsing error which you warned about.

Thank you.

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 1/9/2018 1:21:44 PM   
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Now... Can we modify, add, delete and so on our units and OOB without the editor at all? Sì possiamo!
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Herr Oberst, an explanation is requested as to how you jumped from editing in game to editing using Notepad++. When I save an OOB it saves as an OOL file which is binary, not a readable XML file. So there's a step missing on converting OOL to OOB perhaps?

Note that I have no problem editing the .gam XML file, but also ended up with a parsing error which you warned about.

Thank you.

Nick,

you need to save the OOB via the editor, e.g. when you edit your forces (see below).

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RE: Tutorial '42 - Editor... Or how to create units for... - 1/10/2018 4:57:38 AM   
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you need to save the OOB via the editor, e.g. when you edit your forces (see below).
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Ah, yes. Thank you, sir! I would not have figured that out without your assistance, (or perhaps reading the manual - it is there, know that I know what to look for...)

But still, it doesn't make much sense to me to have this (and other critical scenario editing functions) only available when the force editor is open, looking like a modal window, but not. Must be a necessary code work-around dealing with the ancient Koger glypts.

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