Okay I'm reluctantly re-opening this thread...
We will not release full database editing capability for as long as the Command development project is running. Full stop.
The rationale is given in detail here:
Main points are:
"Second, the database for Command is very complex. Anyone who has spent time in the Harpoon2/3 database editor will immediately notice the increased number of parameters when they look in the Command DB Viewer. Editing or leaving out the wrong parameter could have rather negative impact on gameplay, generating a ton of unnecessary support tickets for the developer."
"Third, having multiple user-created databases makes continued expansion of Command far more difficult. Any schema changes would also have to be applied (correctly!) to any 3rd party databases, each of which may or may not have been abandoned by its author at that point in time. There would also be the risk of making associated material (scenarios) unusable. The Command database schema & enum tables are updated regularly and keeping all database hobbyists up-to-date would be a monstrous task, both on the dev end and on the 3rd party end. It would not take many weeks (or days!) before a new db author simply would give up."
Can you imagine the support burden this would create? Had we released the database editor you’re after, you’d soon fill our forum with similar messages as above, but this time yelling at us for not devoting 500 hrs of DB Editor support to you alone. And how many others would do the same?
So the problem would just shift one step to the left, but solve nothing. You still wouldn’t be able to use the editor much, and it would be a tremendous support burden on us. Loss-loss rather than win-win.
We, experienced players, do not need your support! We did not appeal to you 5-10 years ago, we do not appeal to you now!
We need an editor in the format "as is". Without support. Without service. "Disclaimer" and all these things.
We do not create any strain for you! And we are not going to create it!
I said straight and honestly - we do not need you. And it was not an insult. We really do not need you and we do not communicate with support at all.
The current situation is not win-win, it's a loss-loss-win-win. You do not want to see that there are four sides involved in the situation: experienced players (loss) - their fans and friends (loss) - developers (win) - beginning players (win). Four, not two!
You just do not notice that we exist and that we are losing because of your decision for beginners! You do not notice us precisely because we do not write to you and we do not go to complain when we have any problems with modifications!
I've been doing my custom databases for Harpoon Classic and Harpoon 2-3 for several years. And no one has ever heard of me - because I never complained and never wrote support tickets. And even more so, I never went to your topic about the databases of the DB2000-EC2003 at the forums. Just because I do not need you. And I can do everything myself.
I've never written in the topics of DB2000. And you are trying to force me to do this. And leave me no choice. But you know what? I will not write to them in any way. I dont want to participate in creating a joint database. It's slow and useless. And most importantly - I, like many experienced players, do not need it. And I need a lot of "what if", hypotetical or custom units. Dozens just for one scen. And i know your answer for them - "No".
"Editing or leaving out the wrong parameter could have a rather negative impact on the gameplay, generating a ton of unnecessary support tickets for the developer."
No! It happened before! You can simply say that you are not responsible for bugs with custom databases. "As is". And that's all.
It is not necessary to solve problems with custom databases. Just give up this support. And give us an editor.
"You still wouldn’t be able to use the editor much, and it would be a tremendous support burden on us."
I did a great job with editors for previous versions of Harpoon. As for Harpoon Classic, and for Harpoon 2-3. This is not a problem for me. As I say, dont underestimate us...
Also, the Harpoon database editors were released AFTER the development of those games had ended, and for Harpoon2 the developer was pretty much bankrupt and they tried to squeeze a few more $$$ out of their game by releasing buggy developer tools.
It was their fault! They needed to release the editor along with the release of the game! As an important part of the product! We expected this from you!
You focused on control - but it's a mistake! We need freedom and custom game experience. We pay you for it! And not for waiting and begging! We are not beggars - we can do everything ourselves.
Having said that, I’m curious to hear what db mods you need.
You missed about 10-20 soviet small ships and support ships. You missed about 5-7 soviet classes of submarines. You have errors in the list of sonars. You have giant errors in the organization of air defense units. You dont have some radars. You dont have many hypothetical and promising modifications of ships, planes and so on... You dont have many real loadouts. You do not have custom buildings and land units. And so on.
No, I will not create it all again every time, in every scenario. No, current scen editor's capabilities are not enough. No, binding to scen is not an option.
No, I will not beg and wait. Last time I had enough.
You can edit mounts, sensors and magazines, and comms via INI settings (yeah yeah, I never got around to adding a UI for that).
This is not enough. I need my own database. I do not want to do it again every time. For some missions I need a couple dozen custom classes of units! And I will not do it all again!
I have (draft) for my own global campaign and here it is possible to create many separate missions. Moreover, it relies on one russian book with several dozen real alternative projects of ships of the Soviet navy. Do you suggest that I do all this work again and again?
What is missing that makes it impossible for you to create your perfect scenarios?
(And I'm looking for a constructive dialog here, hint hint).
Database editor. Period. And i want INGAME database editor.
< Message edited by spec111 -- 12/1/2017 7:27:10 PM >