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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 1:51:17 PM   
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Manual are really obsolete, modern UI in game doesn't require them.


Try doing that with War In The West or War In The East. Whilst they have very user friendly UI and can be played without reading the manuals you wouldn't get very far in the games without immersing yourself in the manuals.

It's got nothing to do with 'modern UI' or what year it is. The fact is some (complex) wargames simply require the player to do at least some reading.





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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 1:54:24 PM   
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It got everything to do with modern UI, tooltip, automatic tutorial on your first scenario, special screen that pop up when you start the game for the first time etc.

I played WitW and WitE and without the manual I wasn't very good, but you know I started every scenario with ease.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 1:57:09 PM   
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OK, we will agree to disagree. I actually like reading manuals but I guess I'm old-school and in the minority these days.



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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 2:02:51 PM   
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I do have fond memories of manual
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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 3:15:58 PM   
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I don't think, and am not saying, you have to read the manual from front to back before you play a game. But it is there as a reference. So a little self help is what the OP needs to do before accusing a long-standing company of stealing.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 4:06:34 PM   
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OK, we will agree to disagree. I actually like reading manuals but I guess I'm old-school and in the minority these days.




You are not too alone...I enjoy reading the manuals as well, especially for wargames. I am that guy that reads the owners manual from front to back when he gets a new vehicle, and usually I have this done by day two of ownership. I am driven to know what all my vehicle can do, and the same is true in wargames. There are always details buried in the manual that really help enhance your ability to play a game better. If I wanted to play a game without a good manual, then I guess tic-tac-toe would suffice.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 4:56:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: XXXCorps

OK, we will agree to disagree. I actually like reading manuals but I guess I'm old-school and in the minority these days.




There are always details buried in the manual that really help enhance your ability to play a game better. If I wanted to play a game without a good manual, then I guess tic-tac-toe would suffice.


+1. I agree and well said.



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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 5:07:46 PM   
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I am considering demanding a REFUND as well. My complaint is that there are TOO MANY SCENARIOS to choose from.

Am I supposed to make a decision on which of the OVERWHELMING LIST OF SCENARIOS to play without any assistance? How can I choose from over 200 choices? What does Matrix think we are... intelligent people?? We are gamers afterall...

At the very least a SUPPORT GROUP should be established for SCENARIO CHOICE TRAUMA SYNDROME.

It's long past time for game producers to step up and take some responsibility for the effects of their outstanding products...





LOL

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 5:18:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VegasOZ

I am considering demanding a REFUND as well. My complaint is that there are TOO MANY SCENARIOS to choose from.

Am I supposed to make a decision on which of the OVERWHELMING LIST OF SCENARIOS to play without any assistance? How can I choose from over 200 choices? What does Matrix think we are... intelligent people?? We are gamers afterall...

At the very least a SUPPORT GROUP should be established for SCENARIO CHOICE TRAUMA SYNDROME.

It's long past time for game producers to step up and take some responsibility for the effects of their outstanding products...





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I hate SCTS. That is why I let my cat walk across the keyboard and let her decide what scenario I play. LOL!


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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 6:12:11 PM   
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Guys, I appreciate the support, and that you checked the manual to figure this one out. And having "I got robbed" plastered over the game's forum is indeed not the best of sights when it's for something like this.


But it is a fair point that one should not be required to check the manual to figure out how to browse all the scenarios. It's something that our many years with the game made us blind for during development, but we will look into how best to remedy it.


I would suggest you delete this thread as the OP is misleading. Some people might not read past the OP - particualry as reading anything longer than one sentence of 140 bytes is now beyond the skills of a large part of huanity.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 6:15:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pochepiller

It got everything to do with modern UI, tooltip, automatic tutorial on your first scenario, special screen that pop up when you start the game for the first time etc.

I played WitW and WitE and without the manual I wasn't very good, but you know I started every scenario with ease.


But if you'd read the manual you might have eventally become very good :)

This game is playable without reading the manual - you can select units, move them, attack the enemy, etc. But you'll lose a lot of battles.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 6:49:05 PM   
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I would suggest you delete this thread as the OP is misleading. Some people might not read past the OP - particualry as reading anything longer than one sentence of 140 bytes is now beyond the skills of a large part of huanity.

I'll strongly support this request!

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 6:53:38 PM   
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+1. Regardless of what people think of the game on a factual basis - what their opinions are - the title of the thread is just troll muck and either designed to harm the chances of people reading on, or so lacking in tact and any proper factual basis that you should delete it as a species of fake news. There have been several such threads today that have been simply based on fake views, because once corrected - many times over - the OPs have not returned to admit their errors. Suggesting the majority of the scenarios had no AI, for example. You should take an active view in deleting stuff which is factually inaccurate (lies) and put in a way which is agressive and offensive. I find all these aggressive lying posts offensive and I just bought the game today and I'm still deciding whether I actually like it. But I realise a few poeple put a lot of effort and care into it and the chances of it flourishing shouldn't be harmed by hate postings. Just my tuppence worth....

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 6:57:25 PM   
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There's solid conversation here, heated or no, so I don't think the thread should be trashed - but the title could at least be changed to remove "I got robbed," because that's based entirely on what turned out to be an outright misunderstanding.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 7:03:09 PM   
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zee next one to take zee wee wee, will be put up against zee wall and shot

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Re: Where do I find the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 7:04:01 PM   
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Thread title updated, misleading post about no AI removed.

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RE: Re: Where do I find the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 8:26:44 PM   
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That is much better.

But I still feel robbed! TOAW IV and its staff is robbing me of all my war gaming hours! I demand a refund for the future years it will suck up in war gaming ecstasy!

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/17/2017 9:00:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pochepiller

Manual are really obsolete, modern UI in game doesn't require them.

I thought you were joking at first...

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/18/2017 1:30:38 AM   
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Post-windows 3.1 UI would not require folder browsing to find all of the scenarios built in game. It's just that grognards don't think UI/UX design is something worth spending time on.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/18/2017 2:29:07 AM   
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Folders are there for better overview, it's not a burden´but a feature.
You can even add your own folders to keep track of your own, 3rd party, beta, or whatever scenarios.

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RE: I Got Robbed, where are all the Scenarios? - 11/18/2017 6:01:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tamas

But it is a fair point that one should not be required to check the manual to figure out how to browse all the scenarios. It's something that our many years with the game made us blind for during development, but we will look into how best to remedy it.


You can't fix stupid. This is like someone complaining they ate cold soup because they didn't bother to read the instructions. The only concern from my view is if people aren't willing to open a PDF and search on scenario then how are they going to have a career and support them selves in the future. Everything in life requires at least a minimum effort

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