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"They Crossed over the Border an Hour before dawn&... - 10/14/2017 8:20:36 PM   
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I would be a newbie to WITE and took Telemecus' offer to participate as a German commander in the 2x3 game. The North is exciting for 20 turns or so .. and either I have taken Leningrad or I have failed .
This AAR will be written 5 turns behind with the particular turn in mind. This AAR will be of the North exclusively .. the other fronts I leave to my fellow commanders ..

The situation and the plan changes dramatically and at the end of turn 4 .. with everything at stake!

At Turn 1 HardLiuckAgain's well documented Pskov defense has me very concerned. It is well thought out in my opinion. One thing in a group game is for the other players to give up on selected units to transfer to their front. That will be very interesting if in fact the plan is to follow HardLuckAgain's recommendations.
My Plan is to create a 'super" 18th Army at the expense of the 16th Army and reach Pskov before the Soviets dig in ..

The plan on turn 1 is simple .. rail units in from the rear to bust the first holes followed by an infantry breakout and the PzXXX rushing as far as possible forward. Model takes I Corps to the Right of 18th Army to maneuver side by side with II Corps 16th Army

As per the enclosed pdf .. things do not go as planned

One change of plan is to ignore Riga .. the unintended consequences worked out for the Germans ..

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 10/14/2017 8:25:57 PM   
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At the end of the German turn 1 I leave Riga alone .. My experience has been it cost fuel, supplies and tanks .. the infantry can mop up if these units decide to stay. The Russian try and use sea transport ..with a sea disaster




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 10/14/2017 9:28:27 PM   
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At the end of the German turn 1 I leave Riga alone .. My experience has been it cost fuel, supplies and tanks .. the infantry can mop up if these units decide to stay. The Russian try and use sea transport ..with a sea disaster





Ya, I would have left the NKVD Division there. Plus you got to interdict the unit as it retreated by ships and probably did a great deal of damage to the Division on top of that.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 10/31/2017 3:12:17 AM   
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Turn 2 was a critical turn as far as setting the strategic direction for AGN. I can now see how Hitler looked at a map and started redirecting forces such as the 4th Army away and then toward Stalingrad. In this case, the Bridgehead across Lake Pskov was too good of an opportunity to exploit.
The forcing of this bridgehead becomes the center of action in the future binding the 4th Pz Group into a grinding battle of attrition rather than breakout.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 10/31/2017 3:17:55 AM   
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Somehow I messed up my airfield bombing attack .. one has to be careful to left click .. right click .. I right clicked at the wrong time and lost 9 bombers ..





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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/4/2017 4:13:02 AM   
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Hope you don't mind that I took a look at this. Since we're a couple of turns behind.

Sending that guy out by ship was a mistake. I didn't realize how tough it was to dig Russians out of cities, even if they are isolated. And he had supply by sea. I'm new to this too.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/4/2017 11:39:11 AM   
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Hope you don't mind that I took a look at this. Since we're a couple of turns behind.

Sending that guy out by ship was a mistake. I didn't realize how tough it was to dig Russians out of cities, even if they are isolated. And he had supply by sea. I'm new to this too.


If they had stayed in the city then they would have been routed out by a successful attack back across the sea to the rest of the motherland anyway. But that way you could have taken a few Germans with you. I think there are a few other interdicted sea evacuations coming up soon ....

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/4/2017 2:23:47 PM   
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Hope you don't mind that I took a look at this. Since we're a couple of turns behind.

Sending that guy out by ship was a mistake. I didn't realize how tough it was to dig Russians out of cities, even if they are isolated. And he had supply by sea. I'm new to this too.


The 22 NKVD division is a very nice division. Even if you lose it it will come back as a later reinforcement. Plus a great many Germans take their rail through Riga if they are going for Leningrad. This will either force the Germans to eradicate the Riga defenders or go around with their rail network.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/18/2017 7:32:21 PM   
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EDIT: I should have posted Turn 3

Turn 3 was interesting in that we learned the lesson of air coordination. If you do not want stuff to fly .. set it to night ;)
At least then you have to make a conscious effort to assign air platforms to a mission.

In summary Turn 3 was the commitment to the Bridgehead over lake Pskov. This turn will set the tone for AGN to come and I assume how the Soviet North reacts

"It's a long ways to Tipperary" and the Infantry struggle to march to the front lines. I am going to predict that future games will have motorized divisions with the costs of HQBU going up


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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/24/2017 4:57:44 PM   
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Waiting for the next exciting instalment!

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/25/2017 3:19:27 PM   
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The below picture shows how staging bases in conjunction with optimally placed bases can project airpower a long distance while forcing the enemy to do likewise to counter ..
This turn the AGN uses this to an advantage ;) We now have Leningrad in a fighter umbrella .. contesting critical objectives

In looking at this screen shot .. this is escorted bombing range which includes the ability to sweep deep ..

Staging bases do not contribute fuel .. only possible range and hexes flown so the position is not as critical as the position of the bases with aircraft that in this case are close to rails and supply ..




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/26/2017 4:40:14 PM   
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Turn 3 and Leningrad in fighter range - comes as a surprise to many.

Staging bases extend the target range of aircraft to about 50% more than their radius. So this is a vehicle saving/supply thing too - all the bombers are on rails and the fighters very nearly are. And of course staging bases reduce fuel consumption/ fatigue/ miles flown substantially compared to the same mission without a staging base - so in effect a force multiplier for the air force.


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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/26/2017 7:06:38 PM   
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Thanks for this, very helpful.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/27/2017 3:34:25 PM   
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COMBAT:

To me WitE is an extremely unique movement and combat system. As a comparison, we can Go back to the days of AH Stalingrad and with fixed ZOC's and determining odds. One simply lined the counters up and computed the best odds making 1-6 Soak off attacks to achieve the coveted 3-1 assured victory. WitE has fluid ZOC's and attack is an option not mandatory for entering a ZOC. WitE is also unique in that one can assume some sort of assuredness of "2-1" only to be surprised by the results.

I am a total newbie to this game. Rather than posting from a position of knowledge -- I am posting from my observations inviting those that have played the game to comment on findings.

The combat sequence below with my thoughts:


1. Initiate battle (see section 5.3.1 regarding use of movement mode (F1) to attack)

-- What is interesting is that is a total choice. One huge difference as compared to other wargames is that the object is initially not to get a "defender eliminated," avoiding an "exchange," or worse an "attacker eliminated" but to move the defender from an objective. Failure is simply the result of "Defender Held". The objective is usually a point for armor to penetrate but can be a key river crossing, or urban objective. There are those in this forum that emphasize the lack of dead Germans or Russians from a combat result, but there are multiple subtleties that I see far more interesting. For one, this game follows the typical GG firepower as a separate entity from CV. Firepower does stuff on the tactical level -- CV determines if reserves will participate and who finally holds the target hex. I contend it is not the number killed and disabled shown on the predominate battle screen that determines the victor -- but it's the number disrupted that determines the final results . Want to move defenders from a hex you have to disrupt enough so the final CV is 2:1, and this comes from understanding intricate details in the battle sequence and firepower.

2. Determine fortification defense modifier from terrain and fortification level (15.3)

I think This rule is the lifeblood of the Soviet Union. Forts MULTIPLY defensive indices.

"The combat value of each defending unit is modified by multiplying the CV by one plus the total fortification
defense modifier, which is the sum of the terrain modifier and the fort level" (15.3) So build up Leningrad to fort level 3 and Leningrad 1+8+3 has a multiplier of 12! Plus a forts have an additional nuance:

"To better simulate the ability to pre-register fire locations, he effectiveness of artillery fire
is related to the fort level of the hex containing the firing artillery. The higher the fort level,
the more effective artillery in that hex will be in combat. Due to their ability to participate
in multiple battles, artillery support units attached to headquarters units do not receive any
benefit from fort levels when committed to combat, so this benefit is limited to artillery combat
units as well as artillery support units directly attached to fortified units"

It SEEMS that art attached to units in fort level 3 begins the stage where the above becomes very noticeable ..

The other terrain modifier of interest are minor and major rivers .. 50% of the attacking Infantry and up to 66% of armor can be disrupted and this happens before reserve commitment ... (Remember disruption prevents a unit from participating in firepower or CV)

So if a target hex is limited to being attacked from a few hexes maybe only one hexside .. how can one cross a river or break a fortified position?

3. Commit support units (15.4)

In my opinion the SU is key to moving a defender from a position or keeping a position. Each side has a wide variety of SU's. From a German perspective I can attach up to 3 SU per division and an HQ can contribute up to 6 SU's. I can attack with Bicycle Battalions, Pioneer rangers, Jgd Pz, Stu III, Flam Pz, ...

4. Calculate Combat Values (CV) and odds ratio for reserve commitment (15.5)
5. Commit reserve units (Defender first, then Attacker) (15.5)

The details for reserves is very interesting to me:

First there are MP restrictions and a die(MP's). So the maximum away for attacking is 3 hexes which equates to some number higher and a check .. so the MP's remaining has to be higher than the MP's to move to the battle hex.. and pass a die roll .. then pass the leader initiative check to finally determine if the hex is figuratively overstacked ... the defender has a 6 hex range ... Thus not only does one have to move next to a unit to have combat but one has to think about a defender that has not moved .. and can bring to bare reserve units changing both firepower and CV in the battle hex.

Better yet .. hopefully that reserve unit brings along additional SU's ..An HQ unit 6 more SU's

Once a unit is committed there are less chances more will join the fray ..


"15.5.1.1. RESERVE COMMITMENT LIMITATIONS DUE TO UNIT SIZE
Corps sized combat units are less likely to be committed offensively as they add one to the
leader initiative roll. Brigades and Regiments are more likely to be committed as they subtract
one from the leader initiative roll. In addition, as units in reserve mode from one side are
committed to a battle, the chance of further commitments to the battle decline, based on the
size of the combat units that have already been committed as follows:
Corps =15
Division = 9
Brigade = 5
Regiment = 3
Using the above values, as additional units attempt to be committed, they check to see if
Die(18) is greater than the value of units already committed. If not, the unit is not committed.
6. Calculate initial CV’s and odds ratio (15.6.2)"

So .. the question is ... are regiments stacked in reserve a better choice than say a single corps with three SU's? Say a Russian divisio passes initiative and has the range and MP's . it is 50% to contribute to the battle ..
Thus bombing units within reserve range and increasing fatigue is something to do to address this possibility ..

7. Conduct battle:

A. Air Mission sub-phase (16.0)

The below phases deserve a posting of their own and will comment later .. but airpower policy dictates who shows up ..

1. Phasing player Air Group units committed for ground support [mission]
2. Non-phasing player Air Group units committed for air intercept
3. Air to Air combat
4. (Ground to Air (AA) and Air to Ground combat

This I believe airpower can be the most decisive platforms for determining who moves and who stays. Especially with the latest patch emphasizing dive bombers and de-emphasizing tactical aircraft. If you follow a German attack on combat reporting level '7' and watch Stukas .. you will see high disruptions per Stuka attack. These are squads or guns that will not participate in the combat phase. Bring in 8 or so groups and this is a decisive edge. A river crossing of close initial CV becomes a 5:1 rout ..The tactical aircraft and level bombers also disrupt .. just not as dramatic ..

To defend against IL-2's I put AA in my PzXX and HQ units ..(With the new nerfing I am not sure this is needed anymore?)

Now that the masses are disrupted with a few kills and watching on level 7 ...

B. Ground Combat sub-phase (15.6.1)

This is abstract but a very important detail to understand. The attacker is set at a range and "moves" closer with devices engaging at specified ranges with finally infantry engaging. It is not always intuitive to see what shoots at what. The "useless" bicycle SU can use up the AT guns at range saving the armor for close in work. A MG bn can engage an AT. I have seen MG bn engage Artillery. Infantry vs, Infantry a Stg bn will engage outside of Infantry range and take free shots. From my perspective there is "Roshambo" rock-paper-scissors" interaction between the devices engages with Each Support Unit offering some special advantage countered by some other type of SU.

5. Calculate final CV and odds ratio (15.8)

Remember disrupted devices and squads do not contribute, and thus is quite possible to kill very few things but have a very high disruption level. The factors that either move a defender or have the defender hold the hex ..

6. Determine Winner and Loser (15.8)
A. If Defender lost, determine retreat result (15.9)

"When a unit retreats or displaces, it suffers retreat attrition, which can result in some of its
ground elements becoming damaged, destroyed or captured. The extent of retreat attrition
is based on the unit’s current morale and the experience and fatigue of the unit’s ground
element"

This is why I believe why bombing units with tactical aircraft before the actual battle might be worth it .. disruption is converted into fatigue .. so yes disruption from previous unit air attacks is resolved .. but the unit starts at a higher fatigue level .. plus I THINK disruption from the actual combat is converted into fatigue before this phase .. thus this is where the "KILLS" come .. not shooting things with 88's but in the retreat phase with highly fatigued, low morale and experienced units being pushed out of a hex .. add rout and shattered as pluses to this algorithm

NOTE: Germans start with higher morale and thus appear less affected by this rule than Russians? I can say I got a lower morale unit smacked by Russkies with "borked" (I am being sarcastic) results ..

»» Could be retreat, rout and displacement move (15.10), shatter, or surrender
»» retreat attrition (15.11)

Ok I kept some of the outline in place on purpose to invite comments .. or just add to my diatribe ...

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/27/2017 4:00:39 PM   
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"It's a long ways to Tipperary" and the Infantry struggle to march to the front lines. I am going to predict that future games will have motorized divisions with the costs of HQBU going up



What would keep the Germans from just not saving up their AP's until turn 8+ when they are in contact with the Russians across the front for expenditure of HQ Buildups? So by Turn 8 you could have 350 AP to burn (not including first turns amount) on HQ Buildups. Of course ever game is different but that is how I see getting around the cost of the new HQ Buildup. Plus turn 2-5 are normally move to contact with the enemy.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/27/2017 4:04:22 PM   
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"It's a long ways to Tipperary" and the Infantry struggle to march to the front lines. I am going to predict that future games will have motorized divisions with the costs of HQBU going up



What would keep the Germans from just not saving up their AP's until turn 8+ when they are in contact with the Russians across the front for expenditure of HQ Buildups? So by Turn 8 you could have 350 AP to burn (not including first turns amount) on HQ Buildups. Of course ever game is different but that is how I see getting around the cost of the new HQ Buildup. Plus turn 2-5 are normally move to contact with the enemy.


I am experimenting with putting pz Infantry Division on Motorized to get to Pskov faster .. thus attacking Turn #2 with infantry ,,


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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/27/2017 4:45:29 PM   
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"It's a long ways to Tipperary" and the Infantry struggle to march to the front lines. I am going to predict that future games will have motorized divisions with the costs of HQBU going up



What would keep the Germans from just not saving up their AP's until turn 8+ when they are in contact with the Russians across the front for expenditure of HQ Buildups? So by Turn 8 you could have 350 AP to burn (not including first turns amount) on HQ Buildups. Of course ever game is different but that is how I see getting around the cost of the new HQ Buildup. Plus turn 2-5 are normally move to contact with the enemy.


I am experimenting with putting pz Infantry Division on Motorized to get to Pskov faster .. thus attacking Turn #2 with infantry ,,



What is the "fatigue" & "supply" state before, during, and pre attack? If you have that I would be interested but you would sill have to have enough threat(forces) in the area for the expenditure to be worthwhile. I'm interested in anything you find out.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/27/2017 5:00:23 PM   
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"It's a long ways to Tipperary" and the Infantry struggle to march to the front lines. I am going to predict that future games will have motorized divisions with the costs of HQBU going up



What would keep the Germans from just not saving up their AP's until turn 8+ when they are in contact with the Russians across the front for expenditure of HQ Buildups? So by Turn 8 you could have 350 AP to burn (not including first turns amount) on HQ Buildups. Of course ever game is different but that is how I see getting around the cost of the new HQ Buildup. Plus turn 2-5 are normally move to contact with the enemy.


I am experimenting with putting pz Infantry Division on Motorized to get to Pskov faster .. thus attacking Turn #2 with infantry ,,



What is the "fatigue" & "supply" state before, during, and pre attack? If you have that I would be interested but you would sill have to have enough threat(forces) in the area for the expenditure to be worthwhile. I'm interested in anything you find out.


Regarding the combat post .. I have an interesting attack this turn in Finland breaking a line only one hex wide with high disruption ..support units make the difference .. I will post once the Soviet turn comes back ..



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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/28/2017 6:54:53 PM   
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Turn 3 and Leningrad in fighter range - comes as a surprise to many.

Staging bases extend the target range of aircraft to about 50% more than their radius. So this is a vehicle saving/supply thing too - all the bombers are on rails and the fighters very nearly are. And of course staging bases reduce fuel consumption/ fatigue/ miles flown substantially compared to the same mission without a staging base - so in effect a force multiplier for the air force.




Is this what you are eluding to in your post in Tyronecs AAR? I think it is and yeah I have used staging on more than one occasion. I know Tyronec used a few too. Well is this what you were referencing?

And yes I noticed your writeup on the Air bombing campaign and I really like it(I am going to use it next time!!!!! I hope I don't have to pay a huge fee for the property use rights ;-) ) I didn't know if what I read was finished or not since I knew there was supposed to be a writeup of more air policies/strats and was looking forward to it. I really value your insight into to the workings in this game :).

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/28/2017 7:31:46 PM   
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Turn 3 and Leningrad in fighter range - comes as a surprise to many.

Staging bases extend the target range of aircraft to about 50% more than their radius. So this is a vehicle saving/supply thing too - all the bombers are on rails and the fighters very nearly are. And of course staging bases reduce fuel consumption/ fatigue/ miles flown substantially compared to the same mission without a staging base - so in effect a force multiplier for the air force.




Is this what you are eluding to in your post in Tyronecs AAR? I think it is and yeah I have used staging on more than one occasion. I know Tyronec used a few too. Well is this what you were referencing?

And yes I noticed your writeup on the Air bombing campaign and I really like it(I am going to use it next time!!!!! I hope I don't have to pay a huge fee for the property use rights ;-) ) I didn't know if what I read was finished or not since I knew there was supposed to be a writeup of more air policies/strats and was looking forward to it. I really value your insight into to the workings in this game :).


We are going to post them here and then consulate into one reference ..

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 12:32:39 PM   
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The below picture shows an airbase located in AGC .. typical starting parameters ..notice the miles flown and fuel ..(0% miles flown)




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Now let us move that airbase from the rear to the front lines .. notice the miles flown, fatigue, and fuel used. The ramifications are enormous. For example, the 33% threshold rule for attacking airbases would have already been exceeded, plus any flights would be executed with fatigued aircraft. The result would be "The Soviet Airforce is too powerful!"




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 12:48:01 PM   
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So the mission is to locate a staging base/airbase deep into the battlespace. WITE has an undocumented process that enables that to happen. It takes some doing.

The first step is freeing up an empty base given bases contain aircraft. We first co-locate 8LW and 10LW. Then using the air transfer button transfer aircraft. Normally you have to select the airbase to transfer to and if bases are co-located how does this happen? The algorithm transfers aircraft from the lowest ID to the highest ID by default. Thus in this case from 8LW to 10LW. Freeing *LW of the burden of those KG 3 JU88's
LW08 is empty after this move ..




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 12:53:16 PM   
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So a look at 8 LW after this transfer and we see no aircraft groups attached.




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 12:57:27 PM   
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A look at the picture below shows 2 important things .. 1) KG 3 is transferred .. and 2) NO MILES FLOWN!




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 1:10:19 PM   
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So the below picture shows we air transfer KG 3 back to LW 8. Wait! You can't do 2 transfers in one turn? But the co-location of the 2 airbases meant no miles flown. The aircraft are still eligible for air transfer.

Three very important concepts (IMHO I invite comments).

1) We showed moving an airbase with aircraft deep into the battle space, but in the second example the aircraft have little miles flown vs. simply moving an airbase that accumulated a lot of miles flown. In this second case these aircraft are able (33% miles flown rule) to attack airbases this turn.
2) The fuel used is much less .. thus more available missions .. this turn and in future turns ..
3) In one motion (well a few steps) we got a staging base for LW10 to project into the battlespace and aircraft on the front lines




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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 1:14:53 PM   
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I wrote about staging long time ago (not in the depth you have here)& use it all the time with the Germans. You have to as a German or you are going to get murdered in the air if you try and move normally.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 1:15:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I wrote about staging long time ago (not in the depth you have here)& use it all the time with the Germans. You have to as a German or you are going to get murdered in the air if you try and move normally.


Defiantly have this write up for others to follow since many don't seem to know about this.

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 1:26:02 PM   
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This process enabled AGN to:

1) Free up an airbase to move deep into the battlespace projecting fighter platforms into Leningrad airspace along with bombers using the staging base
2) Move fighters to the front line in one turn that made an impact that turn
3) AGN escorted bombers bombed multiple targets turn 3 along with the critical ground support for moving some Soviets back from established positions

If I would have simply moved airbases forward .. little support .. no airbase attacks .. and fuel used would have precluded aircraft platforms from projecting power on the next turn

So

1) I simply move airbases and "The Soviet airpower is so strong .. I can't even get historical ground support levels!"
2) Using airbase transfers that enable the freeing of a base, a second transfer of aircraft, and well positioned staging base all in one turn "The German airpower is completely too powerful .. totally ahistorical"

(The quotes represent various posts in the forums)

So finally for this thought .. GG games have a plethora of details that if mastered .. provide a great advantage to those that can implement them vs. those that do not know what they do not know (That would be me)
I think it is Important to get these details out so the game stays alive.. and because developers want the game to evolve .. keep the knowledge updated ..

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RE: "They Crossed over the Border an Hour before d... - 11/29/2017 1:29:39 PM   
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quote:

So the below picture shows we air transfer KG 3 back to LW 8. Wait! You can't do 2 transfers in one turn? But the co-location of the 2 airbases meant no miles flown. The aircraft are still eligible for air transfer.

Doing air transfer between two air bases located in the same hex is a very helpful tool. The airbase with the highest ID is always stacked on top, and will be the target for all air transfers going to this hex.
I therefore like to clear 3-4 airbases with the highest unit IDs and clear them of all air groups. They become my "warpdrive" airbases and are always used too store the air groups of other air bases while they move to their new destination.

IIRC the highest IDs can be found on airbases of AGS (in the 50s while AGN and AGC are in the 10s-40s), in addition AGS will in most cases not be the air force schwerpunkt and therefore I usually use AGS air bases for this air transfer trick.


EDIT: Just noted you have already described this in your post Crackaces. Sorry for repeating.

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